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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 17:15:48 GMT -5
That is really too bad for Cook and it makes me somewhat scared for Adam. Apples & oranges to a certain extent I know. But still. What really surprises me is Scotty's numbers. My first reaction is WTF music is this country listening to? Sorry, being honest here. Cook's numbers have nothing to do with Adam. Not winning Idol is one of the best things that ever happened to Adam. Plus, Adam knows what's radio friendly and he knows how to do Pop. He knows what will sell and he wants to sell records. Cook did the album he wanted and took the consequences. I think he was banking on a larger fanbase, but with almost 3 years between albums and him staying under the radar, it was a miscalculation. Cook will be OK. Even if the label drops him, he can go indie and make good money. He has enough of a following for that. The fans that should be worrying are Kris Allen fans. If he doesn't get a great single, he will be just like Cook. 3 winners in a row that are perceived to be the same (even though I disagree on that) is not good for any of those 3 guys! Adam will be better than fine. He will open with great numbers and will have a single going strong to push the sales. Then he will have at least 3 more singles (hopefully 4.) I tend to be a worrier, but I am not worried about album #2 at all!  |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Jul 19, 2011 18:44:09 GMT -5
What gets me is that Cook HAD **GOOD** promo.
Probably as good as it gets. He hit all the big late night shows. He was on the talk circuit. RCA did their job. He also had **lots** of people who bought his first album. Is the Idol buying circle THAT fickle?
[sighs] I don't think most of David Cook's sales were outside the bubble, and the bubble just doesn't buy past the season.
I THINK Adam is significantly better in that regard. He's known in the mags. A lot of the international fans are seemingly non-Idol in natures.
However, I won't lie. I'm nervous. If the music isn't there, even Adam isn't guarenteed much in the way of automatic sales.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 21:43:47 GMT -5
What gets me is that Cook HAD **GOOD** promo. Probably as good as it gets. He hit all the big late night shows. He was on the talk circuit. RCA did their job. He also had **lots** of people who bought his first album. Is the Idol buying circle THAT fickle? [sighs] I don't think most of David Cook's sales were outside the bubble, and the bubble just doesn't buy past the season. I THINK Adam is significantly better in that regard. He's known in the mags. A lot of the international fans are seemingly non-Idol in natures. However, I won't lie. I'm nervous. If the music isn't there, even Adam isn't guarenteed much in the way of automatic sales. A lot of people tout that Cook's first album went platinum fast (by February, I think.) For most artists, this would be a great thing, but all it meant for David is that Idol fans were buying up his album. His highest selling single was his coronation song. FYE took longer to reach high sales (still not platinum, but it will be) and WWFM didn't go platinum fast either. What that tells me is that people outside the Idol fanbase were buying his album and WWFM. Then IIHY was successful enough, to attract even more new fans. He did not get 800,000+ in slaes of IIHY from Idol fans. That was a full year after Season 8. I think Adam will be fine. Oh, and about David's promo, yes, he had good promo from RCA so I am excited about that. Adam will get at least that and even more, I am sure. The problem with David's promo is the single. His Idol performance was not good. It took about 3 shows before David even looked like he was enjying singing the song! The only thing I think RCA did wrong, was not sending out a 2nd single when TLG sales & spins were so bad. ETA: I can't believe that me, the angst Queen, is talking you all down off the ledge!  |
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Post by stardust on Jul 19, 2011 22:59:09 GMT -5
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Post by JazzRocks on Jul 20, 2011 8:18:24 GMT -5
I too believe in Adam. It's not Adam I'm concerned about - it's the radio PDs & DJs. WWFM & IIHY were both hits (IIHY being in the moderate hit category I guess) but it seemed like pulling teeth to get radio on board. Although I think it will be easier this time if the single is good I fear it still won't be "easy".
myspenser - I do feel encouraged reading your comments because you know much more than I do.
The 100K - 200K number would be great for the debut, but I sure don't want to expect that and come crashing back to earth. If it happens I will be ecstatic.
Cook did get lots of promo and that's what I find odd as it didn't help much. I guess what that means is that unless the single gets played on radio TV show appearances, etc. mean very little. I'm sure Adam will get the same amount of promo from RCA if not more. And he will make his own PR as he is a master at that. So yes, there is reason for optimism. :D
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Jul 20, 2011 9:57:32 GMT -5
[wry laugh]
Yeah - I'm usually "Little Miss Mary Sunshine" about a lot of stuff, but I really do wind up on the ledge at times! And I'll admit, Cook's numbers DESPITE a full-blown effort on RCA's parts makes me concerned. To me, it just shows that Idol popularity is pretty much worthless past one's season.
Do I doubt that Adam's music will be more current that Cookie's? Nope. Adam knows better. But I assumed Adam (and the other Idols) had a bit of "cushion" for initial sales.
I don't think that anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 10:39:37 GMT -5
This week's album sales from Idol Chatter. Scotty's EP is outselling David. Haley's, Lauren's, and James are doing well too. I think EPs might be the wave of the future. Isn't that what Beiber did, 3 EPs instead of one regular album?
From Brian M. at Idol Chatter
Scotty McCreery, American Idol Season 10: Scotty McCreery EP (17,000, +23%, 72,000) (#20 Billboard 200)
David Cook, This Loud Morning (8,000, -33%, 66,000) (#57 BB200)
James Durbin, American Idol Season 10: James Durbin EP (7,000, -34%, 32,000) (#69 BB200)
Haley Reinhart, American Idol Season 10: Haley Reinhart EP (7,000, -35%, 31,000) (#70 BB200)
Lauren Alaina, American Idol Season 10: Lauren Alaina EP (6,000, -39%, 37,000) (#74 BB200)
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Post by stardust on Jul 20, 2011 18:52:03 GMT -5
#s from Pulse
7 26 57 COOK*DAVID THIS LOUD MORNING 8115 66063
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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Jul 21, 2011 13:41:58 GMT -5
Yeah Cook had awesome promo opportunities but it's all for naught if the music ISN'T THERE. And it wasn't. It's just not what's getting played on the radio now. It's not current. Therefore it's not gonna get radio play and casual listeners won't hear it and decide to buy the single or album and everything is gonna go to hell.
Basically it all comes down to the music. If Adam has a strong first single he will not be in Cook's position.
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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Jul 21, 2011 13:44:58 GMT -5
That is really too bad for Cook and it makes me somewhat scared for Adam. Apples & oranges to a certain extent I know. But still. What really surprises me is Scotty's numbers. My first reaction is WTF music is this country listening to? Sorry, being honest here. Country always seems to sell well tho. I dunno why...maybe it's the USA USA USA APPLE PIE GUNS JESUS PICK UP TRUCKS RED WHITE AND BLUE WOOOOOOO mentality that surges thru the country....I don't know. I am sure someone can explain it but whatever....srsly I am not shocked Scotty is selling well. Srsly, he is a cute God lovin all american boy with cheeks made for pinchin who wants to sing non offensive country songs. PEOPLE. EAT. THAT. SHIT. UP. lol |
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