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Post by Q3 on Dec 19, 2016 17:43:01 GMT -5
geezlouise, have you ever seen Semi Precious Weapons Live? I have! They were sooooooooooooo far out there, no way they would ever have mainstream success. And look at Bonnie McKee! Incredible songwriter! 2 of the biggest hits off Katy Perry's previous album! Great personality, very pretty! She knows all the right people But she can not make it as a solo artist. Sometimes, (often) we simply can not define or find a reason for why one artist is bigger than another. I have come to the conclusion, it has a lot to do with luck & right place at the right time. Or in music's case, "the right song at the right time!" Yes, I've seen them live and you are right. Justin is very 'out there' as a performer, but it doesn't negate the fact that phobias and prejudices do exist in the industry. And it also doesn't negate the fact that he was told that appearing more fem than Adam in a photo was a negative thing. Or that Adam was perceived as the bellwether 'can't look more fem than' in the industry. Adam has tried very hard to just push the boundaries hard -- but not to crush them. He has done an amazing job of challenging "norms" and almost always stay at the edge. No he is not mainstream but over time, I think he will be recognized for what he has done and for his body of work. He reminds me of Bowie, Freddie and Madonna in how he pushes the edge -- it is authentic, but also sometimes done with a wink, part of a show.
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Post by 3ku1 on Dec 19, 2016 17:43:13 GMT -5
Adams mainstream . He's with Sam Smith the most mainstream out artist on the planet. But his lack of mainstream success. Could come down to being too niche as an artist. His non mainstream genres in his music. His edgy style choices. Lots of things.
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Post by pi on Dec 19, 2016 17:48:53 GMT -5
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Post by Q3 on Dec 19, 2016 18:01:18 GMT -5
When I use the term "mainstream" is relation to any Adam discussion, it is not about his life or have anything to do with lifestyle choices. It is a marketing term used to describe an artist's position in the marketplace. Adam's music is not mainstream -- with one major exception 2009's WWFM.
Mainstream is a term that usually refers to the common current of thought of the majority, meaning that "mainstream" things are those that are currently popular with most people. It is most often applied in the arts (i.e., music, literature, and performance).
Urban Dictionary has this definition:
Mainstream Music: Music that's usually on the radio, Top 40 and is well known to the general public. Usually criticized by fans of the previous mainstream generations, and people who prefer bands and/or genres that aren't apart of the mainstream popularity of the time.
There are many reasons Adam's music is not mainstream but there is no doubt it is not well known to the general public.
Very, very few artists achieve mainstream success.
Finally, IMO Adam's limited mainstream success has very little to do with his sexual orientation, how he dresses, if he wears makeup or not, because the vast majority of people are completely unaware of him.
I end with a question - do you really just want Adam to be wildly popular? If he put our a country album and it was #1 with lots of #1 hits, would you be happy? Of he could do an album of Christmas covers? Or do standards like Michael Buble. (Country music is the #1 genre in the US, Urban is #2, Pop is #4 in sales) I would not be happy, and I am sure Adam would not be happy either. There is more to success than just getting on the radio and selling a lot of albums/track. There are loads of artists who had a few bit hits then faded away. Adam is still here, and making a lot of money, and recognized as a great vocalist and performer, and working on his 4th solo album.
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Post by 3ku1 on Dec 19, 2016 18:13:24 GMT -5
When I use the term "mainstream" is relation to any Adam discussion, it is not about his life or have anything to do with lifestyle choices. It is a marketing term used to describe an artist's position in the marketplace. Adam's music is not mainstream -- with one major exception 2009's WWFM. Mainstream is a term that usually refers to the common current of thought of the majority, meaning that "mainstream" things are those that are currently popular with most people. It is most often applied in the arts (i.e., music, literature, and performance). Urban Dictionary has this definition: Mainstream Music: Music that's usually on the radio, Top 40 and is well known to the general public. Usually criticized by fans of the previous mainstream generations, and people who prefer bands and/or genres that aren't apart of the mainstream popularity of the time. There are many reasons Adam's music is not mainstream but there is no doubt it is not well known to the general public. Very, very few artists achieve mainstream success. Finally, IMO Adam's limited mainstream success has very little to do with his sexual orientation, how he dresses, if he wears makeup or not, because the vast majority of people are completely unaware of him. I end with a question - do you really just want Adam to be wildly popular? If he put our a country album and it was #1 with lots of #1 hits, would you be happy? Of he could do an album of Christmas covers? Or do standards like Michael Buble. (Country music is the #1 genre in the US, Urban is #2, Pop is #4 in sales) I would not be happy, and I am sure Adam would not be happy either. There is more to success than just getting on the radio and selling a lot of albums/track. There are loads of artists who had a few bit hits then faded away. Adam is still here, and making a lot of money, and recognized as a great vocalist and performer, and working on his 4th solo album. Yeah agreed. I've always seen Adam as An Arena Selling artists. He had that capacity. And with Queen he fulfilled that potential. Radio ain't be end. Adam has longevity. Theirs a reason why ppl call him the Male Madonna. I believe he well still be going for decades. But a mainstream hit would be nice. But I don't think it's urgent. Adams doing great. Probably most successful recording artists of any singing show since 2009,
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Post by melliemom on Dec 19, 2016 18:25:22 GMT -5
I like to compare Adam to a character actor rather than a movieland lead star.. IMHO,Character actors have longevity and can play
many different parts,so they are in constant demand. Some are not well known ,but they are working actors with many solid years in show business.
NOT SO BAD.. after all if It's longevity and different gigs that Adam seems to want.. good way to go
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Post by adamme on Dec 19, 2016 18:26:10 GMT -5
Good for her! It seems Simon sees her potential and I bet he also likes that she's a hard worker.
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Post by geezlouise on Dec 19, 2016 18:28:42 GMT -5
Well now patti...are you defining "mainstream" as automatically 'average' or 'normal' or 'not queer'??? What standards make this "They were sooooooooooooo far out there, no way they would ever have mainstream success." not homophobic ....or choose your term but means the same. I mean as long as even WE can blithely assume that anything not fitting a heteronormative template, will never be "mainstream", the situation has not a prayer of changing and we are really simple corroboratingTranter's claims. I do not see gun-toting, 10 gallon wearing western wear with twangy nasal vocals as anything approaching my definition of mainstream...so why is that cowboy not considered 'out there'? I would offer that if that cowboy wore pink he would suddenly be considered non-mainstream even if everything else about his vocals and performance remained the same. Ergo....the issue is the 'pink'...the gay.... I think Patti is defining "mainstream" is being NOT pop radio friendly. I've never seen semi precious weapons live but I just listen to three of their YouTube videos and I would agree that they are not mainstream in that I would classify their music is being indie rock or even punk rock, although I am no expert in music genres. Those genres of music are not mainstream in that you will not hear them on mainstream pop radio stations, maybe on a rock radio station but not on a pop radio station. A cowboy singer would also not be mainstream pop, but might fit into country radio which is very big, even bigger than pop in many areas of the U.S. Country music is big enough to be considered mainstream in the U.S., but not in other parts of the world. Rock music is not big enough anymore to be considered mainstream at this time. Indie rock or Punk rock can indeed be heard on pop/top 40 radio. As an example, take Fallout Boy's 2014/2015 single 'Centuries'. BIllboard Hot 100 at #10. BIllboard Mainstream Top 40 #13. RIAA certified 4X Platinum. Guess who has writing credits along with FOB on the song..... Justin Tranter.
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Post by skaschep on Dec 19, 2016 18:29:25 GMT -5
When I use the term "mainstream" is relation to any Adam discussion, it is not about his life or have anything to do with lifestyle choices. It is a marketing term used to describe an artist's position in the marketplace. Adam's music is not mainstream -- with one major exception 2009's WWFM. Mainstream is a term that usually refers to the common current of thought of the majority, meaning that "mainstream" things are those that are currently popular with most people. It is most often applied in the arts (i.e., music, literature, and performance). Urban Dictionary has this definition: Mainstream Music: Music that's usually on the radio, Top 40 and is well known to the general public. Usually criticized by fans of the previous mainstream generations, and people who prefer bands and/or genres that aren't apart of the mainstream popularity of the time. There are many reasons Adam's music is not mainstream but there is no doubt it is not well known to the general public. Very, very few artists achieve mainstream success. Finally, IMO Adam's limited mainstream success has very little to do with his sexual orientation, how he dresses, if he wears makeup or not, because the vast majority of people are completely unaware of him. I end with a question - do you really just want Adam to be wildly popular? If he put our a country album and it was #1 with lots of #1 hits, would you be happy? Of he could do an album of Christmas covers? Or do standards like Michael Buble. (Country music is the #1 genre in the US, Urban is #2, Pop is #4 in sales) I would not be happy, and I am sure Adam would not be happy either. There is more to success than just getting on the radio and selling a lot of albums/track. There are loads of artists who had a few bit hits then faded away. Adam is still here, and making a lot of money, and recognized as a great vocalist and performer, and working on his 4th solo album. And the funny thing in this discussion is that what's mainstream in one country might not be mainstream in another country. I consider Ghost Town pretty mainstream in the Netherlands. It did stand out, but it fell into a category that is played heavily here. The biggest hit of this year is Mike Posner's "I took a pill in Ibiza". Last year it was Major Lazer's "Lean On". From the top 15 last year (of which GT was #15 by the way) 10 were House / EDM influenced and had DJ's / Producers involved. This year that is the case for 8 or 9 again of that top 15. So yeah the definition of mainstream is difficult.
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Post by lurleene on Dec 19, 2016 18:30:25 GMT -5
I also consider Adam mainstream. Does not mean he conforms in every way tho. But he is played on the radio in many different countries and some more than others. He is nominated/wins for awards in pop or pop/rock in some countries and even got a Grammy nomination in pop here. He is invited to perform on most of the US nighttime shows when he releases new music. I believe if he got more radio play in the states he would be performing on some of these award shows. He has been asked to be a presenter sometimes here and abroad. He tours well but is not limited to touring in order to be seen. Magazine covers for him and endorsement deals. TV shows and judging. What is not mainstream about him? Yes, I would like to see even more mainstream success but that does not mean Adam will not be Adam. He gets played on CHR/HAC tho not nearly enough, imo. But he is not off on the sidelines and under the radar either. I guess we all have different meanings for mainstream. I remember when Clay said Adam was not mainstream but niche. I thought, envious much.
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