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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 18:32:38 GMT -5
You accused me of being homophobic! I live in the LA area. "Gay" is very mainstream! How you could take my post about songwriting & music as any other way, but referring to what is making it in music, is beyond me. If you see "non mainstream" as meaning "gay" that is on you, not me. Because I never said it or thought it.
THIS!! ^^^
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Post by melliemom on Dec 19, 2016 18:34:09 GMT -5
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Post by csquared on Dec 19, 2016 18:36:56 GMT -5
I'd like Adam to be more well known so that my friends don't think I'm just a nut and maybe I can mention him now and then and not get either head shakes or blank stares. But that's my problem, not his! Realistically, I know he's doing fine. I used to be worried about his success, but I'm not any more. Not a damned thing I can do about it anyhow.
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Post by 4EverAdam on Dec 19, 2016 18:39:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 18:39:59 GMT -5
For what it's worth, IMO, Adam's biggest hurdle to overcome in his Top 40 Pop genre is that he is a white, solo male! The genre is dominated by females, groups, blacks, & DJ collabs. Right now, in the Top 40 radio chart there are only 4 solo males. And the only ones that consistently make it are Beiber, Shawn Mendes, & Sam (maybe. We will have to see what happens in his 2nd era) BTW, I DO think of Adam's music as mainstream.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 19, 2016 18:53:44 GMT -5
Well now patti...are you defining "mainstream" as automatically 'average' or 'normal' or 'not queer'??? What standards make this "They were sooooooooooooo far out there, no way they would ever have mainstream success." not homophobic ....or choose your term but means the same. I mean as long as even WE can blithely assume that anything not fitting a heteronormative template, will never be "mainstream", the situation has not a prayer of changing and we are really simple corroboratingTranter's claims. I do not see gun-toting, 10 gallon wearing western wear with twangy nasal vocals as anything approaching my definition of mainstream...so why is that cowboy not considered 'out there'? I would offer that if that cowboy wore pink he would suddenly be considered non-mainstream even if everything else about his vocals and performance remained the same. Ergo....the issue is the 'pink'...the gay.... As far as a mainstream career goes, we can use the 3 gay men I mentioned in my original post as examples. All are extremely talented men. Sam is an OK Gay. Acceptable as a mainstream artist, thus he has the biggest mainstream career. Justin is at the other end of the industry spectrum. He is Way Too Gay. Not acceptable as a mainstream artist, but acceptable as a song writer for others. Adam is somewhere in the middle. Less mainstream success than Sam, but still able to navigate the mainstream as a performer. It is what it is. IMO, even if one were to take away any consideration of how "gay" any of these three men are and take away their performance styles and look strictly at the music, than they would still have the same relative level of success. I don't know if Sam Smith plays guitar, but his style is very much the style of a WGWG singer-songwriter which is so very popular in mainstream music. Also, the main theme of SS's body of work seems to be unrequited love which is probably the most popular theme in mainstream music, it certainly is in country music. Plus SS's music has a more limited vocal range which means more people can sing along with his music. All of which makes SS's music more popular. Very little of Adam's music is about unrequited love. His 2 biggest hits WYWFM and GT are more along the theme of unrequited love AND they have great hooks that many people relate to and want to sing along to. But overall, I'd say that the theme of Adam's music is empowerment. It's a great theme and one I love and relate to, but is not a theme that will make him as popular as the unrequited love or madly in love themes, IMO.
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Post by skaschep on Dec 19, 2016 18:55:12 GMT -5
Sorry not sorry for the discussion's I've started with posting about Adam's IG followers drop by the way. It's an interesting one for sure and I don't think we'll agree on it fully.
FYI: His followers have started to increase again today. So let's hope it was just the purge done by IG themselves. He did loose about 800-900 followers because of it, but he'll get them back before the end of the year maybe. Depending on if he get's some newsworthy stuff going on. Else he'll make it up in 2017. He's closing in on 1 million followers there and on twitter to 2.6 million followers. So all is good!
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Post by geezlouise on Dec 19, 2016 18:58:25 GMT -5
For what it's worth, IMO, Adam's biggest hurdle to overcome in his Top 40 Pop genre is that he is a white, solo male! The genre is dominated by females, groups, blacks, & DJ collabs. Right now, in the Top 40 radio chart there are only 4 solo males. And the only ones that consistently make it are Beiber, Shawn Mendes, & Sam (maybe. We will have to see what happens in his 2nd era) BTW, I DO think of Adam's music as mainstream. LOL... over the last year it would have been better to have been a Canadian male..... Drake, The Weeknd, Bieber and to a lesser extent Mendes, dominated. Especially in streaming numbers.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 19, 2016 19:06:14 GMT -5
I think Patti is defining "mainstream" is being NOT pop radio friendly. I've never seen semi precious weapons live but I just listen to three of their YouTube videos and I would agree that they are not mainstream in that I would classify their music is being indie rock or even punk rock, although I am no expert in music genres. Those genres of music are not mainstream in that you will not hear them on mainstream pop radio stations, maybe on a rock radio station but not on a pop radio station. A cowboy singer would also not be mainstream pop, but might fit into country radio which is very big, even bigger than pop in many areas of the U.S. Country music is big enough to be considered mainstream in the U.S., but not in other parts of the world. Rock music is not big enough anymore to be considered mainstream at this time. Indie rock or Punk rock can indeed be heard on pop/top 40 radio. As an example, take Fallout Boy's 2014/2015 single 'Centuries'. BIllboard Hot 100 at #10. BIllboard Mainstream Top 40 #13. RIAA certified 4X Platinum. Guess who has writing credits along with FOB on the song..... Justin Tranter. There are always exceptions to the rules in music. But that does not mean that it is what usually happens .
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Post by melliemom on Dec 19, 2016 19:22:02 GMT -5
Didn't see Bruno Mars Name.....IMO the best of the male performers outside of Adam
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