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Post by Q3 on Apr 25, 2011 21:59:53 GMT -5
Yup, and based on the contract that was published (since Allison was underage, the AI contract in Season 8 was open to the public), he'll get a bigger advance for Album #2 than #1. I don't have those figures saved, but I've seen them around! Q3 - do you remember them? The Idol contract advances are based on how much the artist sells of the debut album. I will grab the numbers and post. |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on May 26, 2011 21:54:10 GMT -5
Ah - Post-Finale Idol contract discussion day at mj's!! mjsbigblog.com/scotty-mccreery-and-lauren-alaina-contract-details-revealed.htm/comment-page-1#comments Grabbing data and bringing it over here as well. Here are the S8 specifics;Winner: $350,000 total for his first album $100,000 to turn to a camera and shout, “I’m going to Disney World” $100,000 for Disney attraction participation and for taping a vocal performance for the Walt Disney World Christmas Parade television show. $100,000 advance on royalties 3 yr merchandising contract Runner-up: $300,000 total for his first album $75,000 merchandising contract $50,000 in fees from Disney World for the Idol Experience attraction. Other; Top 5 finalists each received $50,000 from Disney attraction participation Top 12 finalists could have earned $200,000 each for a first album and $50,000 from merchandising Other Earnings; Studio Recordings; one-time payment of $1,000 and a $1,000 advance on royalties for each recording. $1,011 for a one-hour show to $1,540 for a two-hour episode www.nytimes.com/2010/02/24/arts/television/24idol.htmlS8 Record Contract Advances Escalations: Winner: Album #1: $350,000 Album #2: $275,000 – $550,000 Album #3: $325,000 – $650,000 Album #4: $375,000 – $750,000 Album #5: $450,000 – $900,000 Album #6: $500,000 – $1,000,000 Runner-up: Album #1: $300,000 Album #2: $275,000 – $550,000 3rd – 12th Place: Album #1: $200,000 Note: All future advances dependent on the success of the previous album Here are the S10 specifics (with other season comparisons);- Scotty will receive at least $250,000 in advances for winning the show and recording the first album.
He will also tens of thousands of dollars more for granting “Idol” partners likeness, merchandise and endorsement rights, and will also receive royalties on any music he releases.
- Lauren will receive $87,500 for finishing second. The amount would be doubled if she records an album.
- Jordin Sparks, who was a minor when she took the crown in 2007, received a contract that guaranteed her a $180,000 advance after the show and another $180,000 after delivering her first album. Oof. Scotty takes a pay cut!
S7 runner up, David Archuleta, (17 at the time) had a contract that indicated a payout of $360,000 total if an album was recorded, with an advance of $155,000–double that once he produced an album. see correction below
- In some past seasons, winners were paid a minimum of $100,000 for merchandise rights, records show. Draft merchandise agreements for Scotty and Lauren give him $50,000 and her $40,000. More pay cuts!
And more random data from various posts:- MJ, in season 7, David Cook got $360K deal and 155K x 2 = 310K for David Archuleta.
- X-Factor contestants are reported to earn £100,000 (~US$160,000 depending on the exchange rate) each for their tour, whereas the kids this year may only make less than $50,000.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2011 22:12:58 GMT -5
Remember too that this is a whole new record label. No one knows what the deal is that Idol and Interscope made. Perhaps Sony was more generous?
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Post by stardust on May 27, 2011 1:26:34 GMT -5
Do we think Adam has a 360 deal? What does this mean?
If he has a 360 deal, Sony is taking a fairly good size chuck of his merchandise money. Probably a percentage? What else would they get?
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on May 27, 2011 21:43:02 GMT -5
Do we think Adam has a 360 deal? What does this mean? If he has a 360 deal, Sony is taking a fairly good size chuck of his merchandise money. Probably a percentage? What else would they get? From Heather McDonald at About.com: - Concert revenue
- Merchandise sales
- Endorsement deals
- Ringtones
In exchange for getting a bigger cut from the artists they represent, the labels say they will commit to promoting the artist for a longer period of time and will actively try and develop new opportunities for them. In essence, the label will function as a pseudo-manager and look after the artist's entire career rather than only focusing on selling records.
More, including the controversial aspects of 360 deals at musicians.about.com/od/ah/g/360deals.htm I don't know whether or not Adam has a 360 deal ( Q3 - do you know??), but it wouldn't surprise me if he did considering how aggresively his music's been pushed/used for television promos, etc. If RCA gets a cut on all the "nontraditional" revenue sources in addition to straight sales, Adam's done extremely well. Though I'll admit it bugs me a bit to think Adam might be sharing his merchandise sales with RCA. T-shirt money has always traditionally belonged to the singer, and Adam sells a lot of shirts! |
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Post by Q3 on May 29, 2011 12:55:25 GMT -5
Adam does not have a 360 degree deal with Sony Music Entertainment/RCA. Adam has close to a 360 degree deal with 19 -- it covers record deal, concerts, appearances, merchandising, etc.
RCA has all recorded music, videos, ringtones, all recorded music sales, music licensing and radio. They also funded the international promo tour to promote FYE in other markets.
Adam has a record contract with 19R (19 Recordings). 19R licensed Adam's music to Sony/RCA. If Sony/RCA drops Adam, he will still have a contract with 19R.
19 Entertainment has a contract with Sony Music Entertainment for AI Seasons 5 - 9. We do not know the terms of that contract but Sony pays 19R who pays part of the advance to the artists and part to Simon Cowell and keeps some for themselves. This agreement ended in AI9.
The new contract for Idol is between 19E and UMG but I am certain that 19R continues to get a percentage of the record contract license advance.
Since CKX is being taken private, it will be almost impossible to figure out what is going on between UMG and 19. We only know about the Sony-19 deal because of the Simon Cowell-Simon Fuller/19 lawsuit over X-Factor.
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on May 29, 2011 13:01:47 GMT -5
Gah - clear as mud. The intricacies of this astonishes me. I thought Adam SIGNED with RCA. Or is it that he actually signed "quasi-jointly" with RCA/19R? Who actually holds the contract? i.e. Was it the secretary from RCA or the secretary of 19R who stuffed the original in her file cabinet? ETA: I guess the reason for my confusion is figuring out the entity of 19 fits into everything. In most things I read about record contracts, you sign with a label. Period. Is this "shoehorning" of another corporate mechanism something that JUST happens to Idol (and other reality shows) or is it something that does indeed happen with other label signings, but is relatively invisible? ETA2: Aaaaaaand to go sorta back to the original question: Is 19 getting a cut of the T-shirt sales?  |
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Post by kittykay on May 29, 2011 13:13:09 GMT -5
Adam does not have a 360 degree deal with Sony Music Entertainment/RCA. Adam has close to a 360 degree deal with 19 -- it covers record deal, concerts, appearances, merchandising, etc. RCA has all recorded music, videos, ringtones, all recorded music sales, music licensing and radio. They also funded the international promo tour to promote FYE in other markets. Adam has a record contract with 19R (19 Recordings). 19R licensed Adam's music to Sony/RCA. If Sony/RCA drops Adam, he will still have a contract with 19R. 19 Entertainment has a contract with Sony Music Entertainment for AI Seasons 5 - 9. We do not know the terms of that contract but Sony pays 19R who pays part of the advance to the artists and part to Simon Cowell and keeps some for themselves. This agreement ended in AI9. The new contract for Idol is between 19E and UMG but I am certain that 19R continues to get a percentage of the record contract license advance. Since CKX is being taken private, it will be almost impossible to figure out what is going on between UMG and 19. We only know about the Sony-19 deal because of the Simon Cowell-Simon Fuller/19 lawsuit over X-Factor. What percentage goes to 19/RCA and Adam? Does Adam get a bigger cut as his star continues to rise? Did 19 put the money upfront for the domestic leg of Glamnation? |
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Post by reihmer on May 29, 2011 13:39:02 GMT -5
Gah - clear as mud. The intricacies of this astonishes me. I thought Adam SIGNED with RCA. Or is it that he actually signed "quasi-jointly" with RCA/19R? Who actually holds the contract? i.e. Was it the secretary from RCA or the secretary of 19R who stuffed the original in her file cabinet? 19ABCD is Adam's real record company as well as management company. Sony/RCA gets exclusive licensing of Adam's music to record and distribute worldwide. That's how I'm interpreting this. |
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Post by Q3 on May 29, 2011 13:39:48 GMT -5
As Adam sells more, he earns more. And 19M's share of what Adam makes is pretty standard for a management company.
Merchandise --- I have no idea what the split is but RCA does not have a share of merchandise. Both 19M and Adam get royalties, plus the company who is distributing it, plus when sold at a concert the promoter and venue owner sometimes get a piece of the sale.....but the artist usually gets the largest share of the merchandise profits.
Q: What percentage goes to 19/RCA and Adam? I have no idea.
A: We have never seen the contract between 19 and Sony.
Q: Does Adam get a bigger cut as his star continues to rise?
A: The more he sells, the royalties he receives and the bigger his advance for the next album. So Adam certainly got a bigger advance for Adam #2 than his debut.
Q: Did 19 put the money upfront for the domestic leg of Glamnation?
A: As far as I can determine, no.
19 Entertainment and all of its divisions are middlemen and take a percentage of their artists earnings. This is what management companies always do.
From what I can piece together, GNT was funded with some support from Sony, some guarantees for appearances (festivals, casino shows), and support from promoters (Live Nation, AEG and some independent promoters picked up parts of this tour.)
19M put it together which is not a simple task.
The concert promoter handles the advertising and usually financing of concerts -- they arrange for the venues and on-site labor, and then handle advertising, marketing and often ticket sales.
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Post by Q3 on May 29, 2011 13:55:37 GMT -5
Gah - clear as mud. The intricacies of this astonishes me. I thought Adam SIGNED with RCA. Or is it that he actually signed "quasi-jointly" with RCA/19R? Who actually holds the contract? i.e. Was it the secretary from RCA or the secretary of 19R who stuffed the original in her file cabinet? 19ABCD is Adam's real record company as well as management company. Sony/RCA gets exclusive licensing of Adam's music to record and distribute worldwide. That's how I'm interpreting this. That is correct. 19 Recordings is just shell company that allows 19 to get a share of the artists royalties since Idol is performing the A&R function and finding the artists. Adam is signed to 19 Recordings. Adam also has a contract with RCA that looks like any other recording contact except that it incorporates a license from 19 Recordings. For Idol artists from AI1 - AI9, there is also an underlying deal between 19 Entertainment and Simon Cowell's SYCO records. This was a way for 19E to pay Simon for his participating in Idol and for AI5-AI9 to compensate Simon for keeping X-Factor out of the US. That deal is now over, and Simon is bringing X-Factor to the States. Note: If you look at the back of many Idol records, you will see the SYCO logo on them. |
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Post by kittykay on May 29, 2011 14:04:30 GMT -5
Q3,
Thank you for the education.
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on May 29, 2011 14:47:01 GMT -5
For Idol artists from AI1 - AI9, there is also an underlying deal between 19 Entertainment and Simon Cowell's SYCO records. This was a way for 19E to pay Simon for his participating in Idol and for AI5-AI9 to compensate Simon for keeping X-Factor out of the US. That deal is now over, and Simon is bringing X-Factor to the States. Note: If you look at the back of many Idol records, you will see the SYCO logo on them. Grrrrr.... >:( Ok, that officially irks me. The thought that Simon Cowell is potentially getting a cut of Adam's records when he's essentially ignored Adam completely since the AI8 finale raises my hackles. I'm scared to find my CD cases for AL! and GlamNation, b/c if I see a SYCO logo on either of THOSE, I'm gonna start cussing furiously. |
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Post by LindaG23 on May 29, 2011 15:06:44 GMT -5
Hoppers, I only see 19, Sony, and RCA on the back of my FYE CD.
Acoustic and Glamnation, I only see RCA and 19.
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on May 29, 2011 15:17:34 GMT -5
Hoppers, I only see 19, Sony, and RCA on the back of my FYE CD. Acoustic and Glamnation, I only see RCA and 19. HSM.. all I have handy is the Acoustic.. (says.. 19 and RCA) then I have the GNT DVD/CD.. (says 19 and RCA) All of my 3 FYE's and the AL only have 19 and RCA logo's. One of the FYE's also has Sony Music (version w/CLYG). YAY!! Thanks for looking guys!! {{HUGS}} The thought of Cowell's black little soul profiting off Adam's work (more than it has already) was causing steam to come out of my ears! Feeling better now!! ;D |
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