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Post by Q3 on Jul 31, 2011 13:09:24 GMT -5
gracefuladam what a wonderful idea -- and it just triggered a thought.
1in10 does a great job developing and funding programs in central Arizona -- many in the Phoenix metro area. Donations to local, community-based LGBT support and education organizations are probably the most effective and efficient way to really help teens. I have worked with some folks in Mississippi for years and there is really progress being made. Most importantly, many teens in need of support, allies, or immediate assistance have been helped.
I went to find a link to a well-researched directory to post here with a suggestion that fans support organizations in their local community -- and surprisingly there is not a good directory. There are many local and regional directories -- Pacific Northwest, Vancouver BC area, South Florida. They are mostly organized so that teens in need can find them but not to inspire donations.
If someone (or a few people) would be interested in helping to put together a list of local LGBT organizations, I will help screen the organizations so that we have only efficient, real non-profits, and will maintain a web directory. It would be great if this was not limited to the US.
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Post by amw on Jul 31, 2011 13:11:31 GMT -5
amw, and others. I have been chatting with a gay friend and colleague while trying to catch up on the thread. Just a week ago, one of his former students came out, and several other former students and the girl's mother were aghast and upset and tried to "talk her out of it." Suddenly, my out gay friend found out that these people he thought were his friends, didn't accept the gay part of him. They said, "I love you, BUT...." and admitted that if he were to get married, they would not attend. Needless to say, he is devastated to find out that these "friends" had such an intolerant attitude. Gotta go back and lift him up some more. Strange how life intersects, sometimes. That's what I'm talking about. Lots of "don't ask, don't tell" out there. Anyway, I love being able to speak my mind on this forum and hear the positive support and feedback. I am an optimist. It is getting better. But I do not expect the laws in my state are going to change anytime soon. Not with Governor Good Hair in charge. Check this out: www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/30/rick-perry-gay-marriage_n_914060.html |
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Post by PostFestumPF on Jul 31, 2011 13:15:11 GMT -5
I just watched all the video I have, I will be able to upload DTRH, Aftermath and Mad World. Will have to wait to get home Monday night or Tuesday, I can't get a good connection in Montreal either. No one will ever ever ever hire me to shoot video, the others I have a just bits and pieces, some with my finger over the microphone (LOLOL). With OOL I have bits of it, unfortunate - the larger piece I have is ridiculously shaky but the best sound I have heard. Finally I had to shut the camera off to loose my mind. I started taping most songs but I was far enough back that arms were flailing and the camera kept focusing on the arms so I shut the camera off. I love to have the video but I love the flailing arms and screaming more....I would never want that to stop....even during new music  I am not a huge flailer but I could have cried when he said he had a "treat" for us. Treat indeed. Spring2009, if you have complete songs with good sound, please post as I will need to replace some audio for the other vids. Much appreciated, if you can do that at some point!  Treat indeed; the whole man and his music/voice is a treat beyond belief. Every day I count my blessings that I'm able to see & experience this in my lifetime. It brings to mind the intro this radio guy gave at Kiss2010 concert (at 1.05). Adam is an agent of change, and he's just getting started. :D |
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Post by Coconutgrove0 on Jul 31, 2011 13:18:30 GMT -5
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Post by midwifespal on Jul 31, 2011 13:20:14 GMT -5
To link to amw discussion about facebook and should she or shouldn't she post OOL. I cannot make any suggestion or tell her (you) what to do. I can just give my point of view. (Ducking behind a rock in case I make someone mad. ) The views of LGBT relationships by those who are opposed to them will not change until it is clear how prevalent these relationships are in our society. First of all, HAPPY BIRTHDAY WIGA. Secondly, while I totally agree with this, and think there is absolutely no need to duck, I just want to say one thing about the other perspective. I am not gay, and it is foolish, perhaps, to pretend to know how I would feel if I were a member of so persecuted a minority. However, I think that if I were gay I would have no problem with people in my life--friends, family, colleagues, strangers even--knowing I was gay. Especially in my world, which is open and liberal, I would not worry particularly about this, and I believe strongly enough in the importance of the cause that I would want to be out and visible about it. However, there would be (sorry for the awkward, subjunctive phrasing) a big difference between someone, anyone, knowing I was gay, married to a woman, say, etc, and someone, anyone, picturing me (to be blunt) naked with another woman. I wouldn't want people--colleagues or friends--thinking about my sex life now, and I wouldn't want them thinking about it if I were gay, that's just weird, that's invasive, and that's exactly how many people in mainstream, even liberal communities react to any contact with gay people. They weirdly oversexualize orientation, bringing everything back to that one essentially irrelevant aspect of it, and, frankly, I think it's even worse for gay men. As Dan Savage might say, I'd be grossed out by hetero's too, if every time I met one I pictured them doing it with their opposite-sex partner. I readily admit to speaking from a position of ignorance, but THIS, I imagine, is a large part of the issue facing otherwise out and proud gays and lesbians in even liberal communities--the salaciousness of our society's response to sexual orientation makes a fact that should be commonplace and insignificant into a weirdly private revelation, and not one you feel comfortable introducing, say, at the workplace, even if you're totally comfortable in your sexuality and totally proud to be gay, and even if you feel, on the whole, that those around you are relatively "liberal" and "accepting." eta--fucking hell how did I end up on the top of the page AGAIN?! |
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Post by SusieFierce on Jul 31, 2011 13:21:29 GMT -5
OMG, Wiga, I meant to start my long, rambly post by wishing you happy birthday!!! Loved your post and I think I may "come out" on my facebook too. Because my FB is linked to my work's, I tend to keep it extremely sterile (in other words, I never post anything on it, lol). But I'm getting kind sick of staying totally apolitical, especially in these heartbreaking times. This morning I linked to Al Franken's petition to overturn DOMA and I think I'm going to post OoL and the lyrics as well. (LOL, does this mean I need to update my profile pic that's four years old (and a whole other hair color?) |
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Post by reihmer on Jul 31, 2011 13:24:48 GMT -5
Just popping in to post a pseudo-recap. I think Q3 said it all in her recap, far more eloquently than I ever could, but as an Adam-concert virgin I thought I'd add a few other observations: I guess I'd bought into the meme that the large majority of Adam's fans were women of a certain age. I'm almost of a certain age myself, so I fall into that group. So I was pleasantly surprised to see so many teenagers and youth there, all decked out in their black and goth and glitter and streaked hair. At least from my perspective, there were more teens than older folk! I think that is a postive thing for Adam, fans from all generations.
There were also far more men, young and old, than I had expected. Husbands, boyfriends, teens and children. There was a whole family in front of me, hubbie, wife, and three adorable little girls, all glammed up. I would say there was on male for every 4-5 females, at least from what I could see. This makes me happy!In case no one has mentioned it, I should explain the numbering and line situation. I think they gave out about 500-1000 numbers ahead of time, they stapled a number ticket to your show ticket, and these people got to line up and get in in advance of the main crowd. I was # 859! (Which was really 259), which meant I was one of the first batch in, and ended up about three people away from the stage. So close, my god. I came to this concert alone. I don't have any adam fans in my circle of friends, and my hubbie just couldn't understand how I could even imagine doing this on my own. He just doesn't get fandom. But I met so many wonderful people, and I have to call them by their real first names because it didn't occur to me to ask their screen and twitter names! Marilyn and Lori and Josie and Laura and the lovely 2 sisters and their daughter (and I've forgotten names!!!!). We all ended up in a crowd together their in front of the stage, and, well, it was just like a tailgate party without quite so much alcohol. So much fun. One of the biggest thrills for me was hearing soundcheck. That's when it really hit me, that my god Adam is about 100 feet way from me, singing. All of us standing in line to get in could hear him soundcheck FYE, WWFM and two other songs I can't remember. Everyone cheered and clapped when the songs were over. The only thing that was maybe a bit negative about this whole experience is that my group was right beside the screaming "Marry me" girl. She was right next to me, and she blew out my eardrums before the concert even started. I know she bothered a lot of people. But I kind of get it; I was screaming too. But not when Adam is trying to talk or when he's singing, sheesh! Oh well, it added to the experience. The rain! That was...almost a religious experience I tell you. It just added to the overall incredible sensory explosion that is an Adam Lambert concert. That's about it! I feel like I've been initiated now. (Oh, and I have to say once again how ungodly smoking molten hot this man is. I love the hair, I love the predatory eye makeup, I loved the leather, and I loved it even more when he took off his vest and showed some skin. I'm an arm and shoulder girl, and yum, talk about a visual feast.) OK, I'm really done now! Thanks for your recap Avari. I believe Adam has more men and younger fans on the international scene then on homebase. |
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Post by PostFestumPF on Jul 31, 2011 13:27:02 GMT -5
There is so much stress in life for everyone that it is monstrously unfair to me that this additional burden is born by even those who mostly consider themselves out. Straight people take for granted their ability to express their feelings in whatever way they are comfortable with and often never think what it would be like if they were not allowed to do so. I wish people would take a pledge to walk in someone else's shoes for one day even and restrict themselves from those many often unconscious expressions of love and see how it feels. Thank you Rihannsu for putting my thoughs in writing. |
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Post by pjd on Jul 31, 2011 13:30:11 GMT -5
Just popping in to post a pseudo-recap. I think Q3 said it all in her recap, far more eloquently than I ever could, but as an Adam-concert virgin I thought I'd add a few other observations: I guess I'd bought into the meme that the large majority of Adam's fans were women of a certain age. I'm almost of a certain age myself, so I fall into that group. So I was pleasantly surprised to see so many teenagers and youth there, all decked out in their black and goth and glitter and streaked hair. At least from my perspective, there were more teens than older folk! I think that is a postive thing for Adam, fans from all generations.
There were also far more men, young and old, than I had expected. Husbands, boyfriends, teens and children. There was a whole family in front of me, hubbie, wife, and three adorable little girls, all glammed up. I would say there was on male for every 4-5 females, at least from what I could see. This makes me happy!In case no one has mentioned it, I should explain the numbering and line situation. I think they gave out about 500-1000 numbers ahead of time, they stapled a number ticket to your show ticket, and these people got to line up and get in in advance of the main crowd. I was # 859! (Which was really 259), which meant I was one of the first batch in, and ended up about three people away from the stage. So close, my god. I came to this concert alone. I don't have any adam fans in my circle of friends, and my hubbie just couldn't understand how I could even imagine doing this on my own. He just doesn't get fandom. But I met so many wonderful people, and I have to call them by their real first names because it didn't occur to me to ask their screen and twitter names! Marilyn and Lori and Josie and Laura and the lovely 2 sisters and their daughter (and I've forgotten names!!!!). We all ended up in a crowd together their in front of the stage, and, well, it was just like a tailgate party without quite so much alcohol. So much fun. One of the biggest thrills for me was hearing soundcheck. That's when it really hit me, that my god Adam is about 100 feet way from me, singing. All of us standing in line to get in could hear him soundcheck FYE, WWFM and two other songs I can't remember. Everyone cheered and clapped when the songs were over. The only thing that was maybe a bit negative about this whole experience is that my group was right beside the screaming "Marry me" girl. She was right next to me, and she blew out my eardrums before the concert even started. I know she bothered a lot of people. But I kind of get it; I was screaming too. But not when Adam is trying to talk or when he's singing, sheesh! Oh well, it added to the experience. The rain! That was...almost a religious experience I tell you. It just added to the overall incredible sensory explosion that is an Adam Lambert concert. That's about it! I feel like I've been initiated now. (Oh, and I have to say once again how ungodly smoking molten hot this man is. I love the hair, I love the predatory eye makeup, I loved the leather, and I loved it even more when he took off his vest and showed some skin. I'm an arm and shoulder girl, and yum, talk about a visual feast.) OK, I'm really done now! Thanks for your recap Avari. I believe Adam has more men and younger fans on the international scene then on homebase. I think the whole "only middle-aged fans" meme has been greatly exagerated since the beginning. There were tween girls screeming for Adam at the Idols Live concert in Rosemont, IL and the early GNT concert I attended in Milwaukee, WI (note both of these are in the heart of the midwest!) had plenty of screeming tweens/teens. The entire row behind me was girls from 12 to maybe 16/17 - god they can scream loud! |
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Post by NoAngel on Jul 31, 2011 13:41:19 GMT -5
OMG, Wiga, I meant to start my long, rambly post by wishing you happy birthday!!! Loved your post and I think I may "come out" on my facebook too. Because my FB is linked to my work's, I tend to keep it extremely sterile (in other words, I never post anything on it, lol). But I'm getting kind sick of staying totally apolitical, especially in these heartbreaking times. This morning I linked to Al Franken's petition to overturn DOMA and I think I'm going to post OoL and the lyrics as well. (LOL, does this mean I need to update my profile pic that's four years old (and a whole other hair color?) Hee, I just "shared" your link on my personal FB, and I'd posted the OoL vid earlier. I'm barely ever on FB, but I've posted some Adam stuff before. One other thought on the topic today-- many of us are open-minded but are still learning to be outspoken. From what I hear from my gay friends, before they are open to someone, they read carefully for signs that the person will be accepting, and may drop small hints to read the reaction. If someone acts weirded out or uncomfortable, they stop there. I always try to be aware of body language, terms I use, and tone. AMW, you are such a lovely spirit, I can't conceive of anyone not accepting every part of you just as you are. I wonder if there are people in your life who "suspect" (for lack of a better word) the truth, but are shy and don't know how to express support. And since you don't go there, they don't either. Sometimes people need to be given the opportunity to rise to the occasion. JMHO, and {{{hugs}}} to you, my friend. |
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I am not a huge flailer but I could have cried when he said he had a "treat" for us. Treat indeed.
