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Post by SusieFierce on Feb 20, 2011 14:30:30 GMT -5
Even though people don't actually make money off fan fic, it does seem to me a little different than so-called shipping. To me, it feels too much like ripping off Adam's (Tommy's, whoever's) image and persona and then manipulating those images and personas in ways that they have no control over. Although I've read some (and some are really hot, frankly), I can't help but think it's somehow not "fair" 'cuz a big part of what makes it hot is that it's "featuring" Adam, Tommy, whoever - and they are the ones who created their own cachet, etc. - the fan fic writers didn't. Which is why it's just a little "squicky" (is that the word?) to me, in a way that "shiipping" - being interested in Adam's love life the way people just are and always have been in interested in stars' love lives - is not as uncomfortable seeming to me. And, then, if those "characters" are being portrayed in ways that Adam, Tommy, whoever might not want to be portrayed . . . ? (And, if it's stuff about fictional characters, doesn't that infringe on the property/intellectual rights of the people who created those characters? Shouldn't writers come up with their own characters? - I'm just thinking/pixilating out loud here - I'm sure all these thoughts have already been expressed/thought through elsewhere.) So, anyway, yeah - I read AND scrolled last night - and now I'm just trying to understand my own feelings about those topics, shipping and fan fic. But shipping is not about being interested in Adam actual real life romances. The origin of shipping IS fan fic and those who are delusional enough to see it as real are just that - delusional. I They are not what shipping is about. I think the problem is that as fan fic communities have become more open people have gotten in on the act who know nothing about it and have co-opted the terms and corrupted them. Many many legitimate authors got their start writing fan fic. It can be about honing your writing chops. When Star Trek novels first started being published many of the authors of those novels came from the ranks of people who had been writing Star Trek stories for years in fanzines and newsletters. Wow, the Star Trek thing is interesting that the writers of the book series were originally from fan fic; I have heard from years back that the books were considered really good (my sister read a few and was very impressed). My dad also read them too, now that I think of it and he was a very discerning reader. Actually, the first time I ever heard of fan fic was from J.K. Rowling herself, who (IIRC), seemed to treat it as a very matter-of-fact part of the Harry Potter fandom. She was well aware of the broad ranges of HP fic and she didn't seem to have any issue with it except when the fantasies began to infringe upon the actual themes of the book. For instance, I guess there were many fans who would ask her if Hermione and Malfoy would get together, which she expressly denounced saying, "That is never going to happen; they are enemies in a war ... that's just fan fic wishful thinking." (Paraphrasing from memory.) If they were impinging on the artists' intellectual rights, I'm sure something would have been done about it years ago. Perhaps, like YouTube, brands consider it part of an engaged audience and if it goes to keep fans interested until the next book or next season. And is it much different than the video compilations where Adam may not be thrilled with how he's portrayed? Just a thought. |
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Post by boicantspell on Feb 20, 2011 14:33:05 GMT -5
OMG! *facepalm moment* It's not actually my birthday, it's actually in April. I was being cautious about using the actual birthday 'cuz it's the net. Okay, in retrospect, that looks more paranoid than cautious, but Thank you all anyway!!! Makes me love you all even more!!! *Squishes everyone extra tight* (Didn't realize you all could actually see the bday!) Red-faced, grashus Hahahhahaha! I felt so guilty about not wishing you a happy birthday yesterday!!!!!! Heeee!!! So funny!! Oh no! Sorry about that, aloha!!  |
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Post by Zinnia on Feb 20, 2011 14:34:12 GMT -5
"Katri Utula says: 20.2.2011 klo 18:25 Toivon mukaan loppuviikosta saadaan Tutkakin vihdoin tehtyä.  Kiva kuulla, että sitä jo odotellaan." Somebody asked, and Katri answers that she hopes they get the next Tutka done by the end of the week (though with the wink as you see). She is happy people are already waiting for it. |
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Post by aloha on Feb 20, 2011 14:38:11 GMT -5
Nica, I totally understand what you're saying, but i recall there was only one post like that. I was taken aback by it and decided to ignore it, because everyone else was talking about fanfic in ways that were informative and interesting to me.
I do appreciate, for the most part, the diversity ofnviews and experiences in this forum. Otherwise we'd be repeating ourselves endlessly without learning anything new.
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Mayumi, hugs to you for the loss of your friend. Glad you were able to celebrate his life. I hope someone does that for me when the time comes. I vote for joy!
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Post by SusieFierce on Feb 20, 2011 14:39:04 GMT -5
Ok am I the only one who doesn't understand that description a few pages back about the glamtroupe and them looking like people who would drink all the orange juice and put the empty carton back? UUUUUUH WAT? Soooo creative types who like glitter = inconsiderate juice drinkers? OIC. Yep. Makes TOTAL sense. Thanks writer of that article for that spot on description.  IKR? I saw that and thought, "Um, wut?" Man, the next time a top-hatted, leathered and befeathered rawk god comes to my house I'm going to make DAMN SURE he throws the freaking OJ carton away. I hate when that happens!! :  : Grashus, you crack me up!! For you: |
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Post by seashell on Feb 20, 2011 14:42:59 GMT -5
"Katri Utula says: 20.2.2011 klo 18:25 Toivon mukaan loppuviikosta saadaan Tutkakin vihdoin tehtyä. Kiva kuulla, että sitä jo odotellaan." Somebody asked, and Katri answers that she hopes they get the next Tutka done by the end of the week (though with the wink as you see). She is happy people are already waiting for it. I was under the impression Katri was in Italy.. wasn't that where she was when she Blogged about Sauli mixing up the dates for them to go to the US |
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Post by wonderstruck on Feb 20, 2011 14:44:11 GMT -5
Do the pictures of Adam smoking make anyone else cringe? I'm so glad he stopped! I'm so glad he stopped too. I noticed that Sauli smoked in those BB youtubes....hope he has stopped too. The smoking thing grosses me out so yeah, I'm happy to hear he has quit although from what I've gleened he was never a full-time smoker but more of a social smoker when out. As for Sauli, having watched the American version of BB for several seasons I can tell you a lot of the contestants smoke out of boredom more than anything else...although personally I don't think I'd ever be bored enough to smoke. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 14:45:47 GMT -5
"Actually, the first time I ever heard of fan fic was from J.K. Rowling herself, who (IIRC), seemed to treat it as a very matter-of-fact part of the Harry Potter fandom. She was well aware of the broad ranges of HP fic and she didn't seem to have any issue with it except when the fantasies began to infringe upon the actual themes of the book. For instance, I guess there were many fans who would ask her if Hermione and Malfoy would get together, which she expressly denounced saying, "That is never going to happen; they are enemies in a war ... that's just fan fic wishful thinking." (Paraphrasing from memory.)
If they were impinging on the artists' intellectual rights, I'm sure something would have been done about it years ago. Perhaps, like YouTube, brands consider it part of an engaged audience and if it goes to keep fans interested until the next book or next season. And is it much different than the video compilations where Adam may not be thrilled with how he's portrayed? Just a thought. "
Well, that's interesting about the Star Trek franchise and Rowling not minding fan fic, maybe even embracing it. I guess that's the bottom line - do they think there is harm done? Evidently, they think not, not that much, or it balances out somehow.
I suppose fan fic could be looked at as basically fantasizing, and then sharing it - when I put it that way to myself, I think, what's the problem? (So long as it's not WAY weird/dark, etc.) But I'm still thinking about it.
Hmm . . . Adam compilation vids. Interesting question/point - that, to me, at least, IS comprised of actually-Adam clips. (I believe my favorite it "Straight to Number 1," which is all Adommy moments . . . ) Lines, boundaries - where should they be drawn? I think, it comes down to "do no harm"?
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Post by boicantspell on Feb 20, 2011 14:47:18 GMT -5
Grashus, you crack me up!! For you: Awwww...susiefierce! You sweetie! Thank you - I'm laughin'! Actually, this unbirthday thing is really working for me! |
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Post by Q3 on Feb 20, 2011 14:50:23 GMT -5
Q3, just had a quick question for you. I'm sorry if this has been asked before but I've been thinking about this since the news that Archuleta's been dropped broke. It's been reported that Archuleta had a 3 album deal and that now he's fulfilled it, he wasn't so much dropped as that the contract wasn't re-upped. From what I read, the assumption has been that Adam has a 5 album deal. Do you have any thoughts on this? I in no way believe that Archuleta and Adam are similar, other than both having been runner ups, but it does make me worry a little that labels have such short memories. I'm surprised that Jordin's getting a 3rd album, though I know she has an international presence. I do not know what is in the 19 Recordings Contract but here is what I know.... 1. The Idols have a recording contract with 19, and 19 licenses them to a record label. Through AI9 Sony (BMG pre-merger) had the exclusive right of first refusal to any 19R Idol. 2. The Idols have a contract with their recording labels. The "license" is a mechanism to filter money to 19. 3. Recording contracts have a term. This is generally set forth as a term of years, generally one year as the initial term and a series of option periods, to be exercised or not in the sole determination by the label. It is believed that the Idol Sony contracts give Sony a 7 year term. This has never been disclosed but Kelly has said she is done after this album. That would be 5 albums. 7 years. (RCA has a reason to be really slow accepting this album because she has said she will leave RCA.) 4. RCA/Jive exercised their options for 3 Archie albums and those commitments are done. That would make it a 3 album deal. (spin, spin, spin is not just for CD's and records, it is how the music business works). 5. As far as I know, Archie is still with 19R and they have no reason to drop anyone. If Archie gets a new deal, they will still get their share. Jordin's last album had a hit single and has now sold over 700K units worldwide. Not a hit is in the US, but prob made money. Why not invest $2 million in another Jordin album? If the have a change to make money, they will do it. Also, the advance will be more modest because it is based on her last albums sales in part. Regarding Adam -- he is not in Archie's position. RCA looks at the future potential to make money. It is about far more than albums sold, that is just one way the labels make money. Adam looks like a good bet to keep generating money for RCA. Plus, he continues to put our FYE product. Look at all the ancillary revenue from just one album. It is possible that Adam has actually generated more profit to RCA than Ke$ha who sold more singles and albums. |
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