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Post by lynne on Feb 20, 2011 14:18:05 GMT -5
Truth in advertising. Or truth in the media machine. So, You Tube counts are manufactured or manipulated. Not surprising. I came across this example of crafting or manipulating on my google alert. (Adam was mentioned in some of the comments which triggered it, I guess.) The "new" idol "Adam Lambert" is not exactly the persona that was shown in Idol (surprise, surprise). At first, I was not gonna bring it over, but it fits with the topic of manipulation. www.tmz.com/2011/02/20/james-durbin-american-idol-tourettes-syndrome-whores-woman-songs-video-contestant/It makes me proud of Adam once again that he was able to remain so true to himself on that show. Thank goodness. It really is impressive and another thing to admire about Adam. On another note entirely, where can you see the dates of people 's birthdays? |
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Post by lynne on Feb 20, 2011 14:19:22 GMT -5
Ok am I the only one who doesn't understand that description a few pages back about the glamtroupe and them looking like people who would drink all the orange juice and put the empty carton back? UUUUUUH WAT? Soooo creative types who like glitter = inconsiderate juice drinkers? OIC. Yep. Makes TOTAL sense. Thanks writer of that article for that spot on description. ![]() i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss7/chunkeymonkey81/chunkeymonkey81take2/JUDYGIF5.gif [/IMG][/quote] I didn't get that either. |
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Post by seashell on Feb 20, 2011 14:21:26 GMT -5
Truth in advertising. Or truth in the media machine. So, You Tube counts are manufactured or manipulated. Not surprising. I came across this example of crafting or manipulating on my google alert. (Adam was mentioned in some of the comments which triggered it, I guess.) The "new" idol "Adam Lambert" is not exactly the persona that was shown in Idol (surprise, surprise). At first, I was not gonna bring it over, but it fits with the topic of manipulation. www.tmz.com/2011/02/20/james-durbin-american-idol-tourettes-syndrome-whores-woman-songs-video-contestant/It makes me proud of Adam once again that he was able to remain so true to himself on that show. Thank goodness. guess that puts things into perspective and 1 Billion served by LadyGG.. |
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Post by aloha on Feb 20, 2011 14:22:55 GMT -5
Did you check in yesterday and see all your BD wishes?! :D OMG! *facepalm moment* It's not actually my birthday, it's actually in April. I was being cautious about using the actual birthday 'cuz it's the net. Okay, in retrospect, that looks more paranoid than cautious, but Thank you all anyway!!! Makes me love you all even more!!! *Squishes everyone extra tight* (Didn't realize you all could actually see the bday!) Red-faced, grashus Hahahhahaha! I felt so guilty about not wishing you a happy birthday yesterday!!!!!! Heeee!!! So funny!! |
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Post by aspen on Feb 20, 2011 14:23:07 GMT -5
Loved what you wrote, NoAngel! It's hilarious how true it is! I think Adam is sexy because he is real. There are plenty of stars with good looks that seem like plastic to me and do nothing for me. Adam has it all: good looks, humble, playful, goofy, charm etc. It makes one sexy package! I remember when Adam was being interviewed and he said he didn't think Josh Brolin was glam or hot or sexy or whatever the question was and indicated to him it was also about personality or attitude, or whatever word he used. I know that is a convoluted sentence, but what it boils down to is there are a lot of unsexy, good looking creeps out there. I commented this morning, ran out and just got back so I have one more thought that kind of relates to THE TALK subject of manliness. Adam seems like someone you would have fun going shopping with but who would protect and defend you if there was danger along the way. I think the fearlessness he shows in his performances would transfer into real life in a healthy, not a hot dog beat his chest kind of way. Common sense is much sexier than showing off how tough you are. And it also comes down to those eyes, that self-deprecating smile, and the open body language that invites you in. |
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Post by justkaren on Feb 20, 2011 14:26:31 GMT -5
Hey West Coasties ... are we gonna' have a DVD viewing party too? I vote for the last Saturday in March ... my DVD from Amazon is scheduled for delivery March 22, so a party on the 26th would be perfect ... any later and we will all have viewed it a bazillion times already! :D
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Post by readon on Feb 20, 2011 14:26:36 GMT -5
Ok am I the only one who doesn't understand that description a few pages back about the glamtroupe and them looking like people who would drink all the orange juice and put the empty carton back? UUUUUUH WAT? Soooo creative types who like glitter = inconsiderate juice drinkers? OIC. Yep. Makes TOTAL sense. Thanks writer of that article for that spot on description. ![]() i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss7/chunkeymonkey81/chunkeymonkey81take2/JUDYGIF5.gif [/IMG][/quote] I didn't get that either. [/quote] I didn't get it either. Did anyone? |
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Post by NoAngel on Feb 20, 2011 14:28:06 GMT -5
Ok am I the only one who doesn't understand that description a few pages back about the glamtroupe and them looking like people who would drink all the orange juice and put the empty carton back? UUUUUUH WAT? Soooo creative types who like glitter = inconsiderate juice drinkers? OIC. Yep. Makes TOTAL sense. Thanks writer of that article for that spot on description. Yeah, that was a big old WTF for me, too. Of course, I assume that someone who writes such a description is the type of person who not only leaves dirty socks in the middle of the floor but also fails to replace the cap on the toothpaste...  ETA: Actually, I think what the writer was going for, was to say that the troupe look somewhat badass. Like rule-breakers rather than a bunch of goody-two-shoes types.  |
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Post by nica575 on Feb 20, 2011 14:28:16 GMT -5
Even though people don't actually make money off fan fic, it does seem to me a little different than so-called shipping. To me, it feels too much like ripping off Adam's (Tommy's, whoever's) image and persona and then manipulating those images and personas in ways that they have no control over. Although I've read some (and some are really hot, frankly), I can't help but think it's somehow not "fair" 'cuz a big part of what makes it hot is that it's "featuring" Adam, Tommy, whoever - and they are the ones who created their own cachet, etc. - the fan fic writers didn't. Which is why it's just a little "squicky" (is that the word?) to me, in a way that "shiipping" - being interested in Adam's love life the way people just are and always have been in interested in stars' love lives - is not as uncomfortable seeming to me. And, then, if those "characters" are being portrayed in ways that Adam, Tommy, whoever might not want to be portrayed . . . ? (And, if it's stuff about fictional characters, doesn't that infringe on the property/intellectual rights of the people who created those characters? Shouldn't writers come up with their own characters? - I'm just thinking/pixilating out loud here - I'm sure all these thoughts have already been expressed/thought through elsewhere.) So, anyway, yeah - I read AND scrolled last night - and now I'm just trying to understand my own feelings about those topics, shipping and fan fic. But shipping is not about being interested in Adam actual real life romances. The origin of shipping IS fan fic and those who are delusional enough to see it as real are just that - delusional. I They are not what shipping is about. I think the problem is that as fan fic communities have become more open people have gotten in on the act who know nothing about it and have co-opted the terms and corrupted them. Many many legitimate authors got their start writing fan fic. It can be about honing your writing chops. When Star Trek novels first started being published many of the authors of those novels came from the ranks of people who had been writing Star Trek stories for years in fanzines and newsletters. I am going to respectfully and partially disagree with Tinafea: I have nothing against a general discussion on fanfic - I am not interested and I was scrolling for most of it - I learned some new stuff - that was all "good". The "bad" creeped in when the content started to be disclosed... I do not think that fiction about rape of Lambert family members (or anyone else for that matter) is something to be discussed let alone recommended for reading. In general (as cassie noted) I do not think that any fiction about Lambert family members has anything to do with the reason we are here. Perhaps, since we have members who love Adam related fancfic and members who feel otherwise - it would be wise to have a separate thread where this subject can be discussed. As an avid Scifi reader I know lots about fanzines, etc... Like rihannsupf said - many of my favorite and beloved authors started there. But they did not write porn about real people that I happen to love. So, in this light I do not see the proper analogy. I do realize that not having read the Lambert related fanfic I am responding only to the snippets disclosed last night. In other words - I am "judging" based on a very limited amount of information. However - even that amount made impression strong enough to reject it... |
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Post by Q3 on Feb 20, 2011 14:29:06 GMT -5
Wow, that is interesting!! 100 million views in nine days, coupled with the active nature of the viewer (since they have to actually seek it out), as opposed to the passive viewer of most ads, would make it the reach equivalent of a Super Bowl commercial. And yet they did nothing to monetize? Hmmm. I believe the question was also raised about whether or not Simon was truly surprised by SuBo as there were indications that he knew exactly how well she could sing and the audition was carefully planned to produce the precise effect that it had. Don't know how much of that was true. She had a screening audition and Simon was at least told she could sing. No evidence that he heard or saw her audition in advance. But the "viral" hit almost certainly was staged. There press put to US and UK cable news happened within 24 hours of broadcast. It could all have been done opportunistically after the broadcast, but this did no just happen. My bet is -- they planned a mini-moment on the show. Immediately saw it could be bigger. And keep pushing it to build momentum in the week after the show. But no matter what they did, Susan built a fanbase because her story and singing connected with people all over the world. That cannot be staged. They only part they could manipulate was making it a bigger story than it would have been on its own. |
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