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Post by kittykay on Aug 29, 2011 21:17:56 GMT -5
Could RCA be holding Adam's album to a week to get a #1 opening? Had he released FYE any other day than black Monday he would have opened at #1. I have been continually surprised at the articles that state "FYE #3 opening". TFM was released Oct. 20th (Really the 19th Happy B-day to me). Even the hard core fan base was confused by which single to support by the time the album was released. Do we know of any releases scheduled for Thanksgiving week? When is Scotty releasing? RCA/Sony -- only cares about profits and total revenue, not chart placement. We do not know any of the major label releases after 11/8/11. Scotty October 4, 2011, Lauren October 11, 2011 and Kelly Clarkson October 25, 2011. Adam would not have been #1 if he released many other weeks in 2009. Carrie Underwood sold 318,000 first week of November 2009. Andrea Bocelli's "My Christmas" sold more that FYE the first, second and third week's of November. (It outsold FYE in it's third week in release.) Daughtry's second album sold 269,000 copies in July 2009. And if Billboard had combined Lady Gaga's two releases for the week of 11/23/11 -- Adam would have been #4 that week. FYE would have been #1 in some weeks but far from any other week. Finally, a #3 album chart placement is considered a big accomplishment. I think that is why it is often mentioned in articles. The label may not care, but what about management? |
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Post by reihmer on Aug 29, 2011 21:25:45 GMT -5
Just my fan-hat talking and probably unreasonable too, but I want Adam to have lots of promo, as in lots of appearances and performances almost everyday/week leading up too, during, and after album and partially single releases. Really want the market to be saturated with him for those that probably have forgot about him after idol, casual fans that don't' know what he has been up to lately, people who aren't aware of him, etc. A lofty dream, but I can dream right? we have the same dreams. In an ideal universe Gaga would go on a loooonnnnnng vacation and hand over her PR Machine to Adam, thus Adam Lambert is constantly everywhere and people start saying this about him. |
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Post by bocababe on Aug 29, 2011 21:30:52 GMT -5
FYE sold 198K opening week: Weeks when Adam would've been #1 in 2009 - 10/10/09 - Peral Jam #1 with 189K 10/17/09 Barbara Streisand #1 with 180K 10/24/09 Michael Buble #1 w/ 131K 11/7/09 new Moon soundtrack #1 w/ 153K 11/28/09 Bon Jovi #1 w/ 162K Then the numbers dropped again in January 2010 making it logical to think Adam would've debuted at #1 any of those weeks too. However, that's assuming Adam would have sold that same 198k in those other weeks, and I don't think we can assume that. There's no way to know how much of a boost he may have gotten from dropping his CD during Black Friday week, but I'm willing to bet there was a boost. I'd be thrilled if Adam got Black Friday week for Adam 2.0, less because of the effect on the first week sales than that IMO it would be a vote of confidence by RCA and an indication that TPTB believe the album deserves top notch support. A fantastic first week sales position is great, but what happens after that first week is what ultimately makes the difference between a success and a failure. Support by both the label and management will go a long way toward creating the environment for the ultimate success of the project. |
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Post by marie23 on Aug 29, 2011 21:33:02 GMT -5
Just my fan-hat talking and probably unreasonable too, but I want Adam to have lots of promo, as in lots of appearances and performances almost everyday/week leading up too, during, and after album and partially single releases. Really want the market to be saturated with him for those that probably have forgot about him after idol, casual fans that don't' know what he has been up to lately, people who aren't aware of him, etc. A lofty dream, but I can dream right? we have the same dreams. In an ideal universe Gaga would go on a loooonnnnnng vacation and hand over her PR Machine to Adam, thus Adam Lambert is constantly everywhere and people start saying this about him. Yeah, but I don't want him too saturated that people get tired of him. But then again if he was to get to the Gaga level of saturation I think Adam has the good sense to take a break and let people miss him, and come back, and not so much of what Gaga and co. are doing. where people are sick to death of seeing or hearing him. |
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Post by adamrocks on Aug 29, 2011 21:36:17 GMT -5
I am still catching up and just watched Gaga and Britney. I think that Gaga/Joe must always need to be the center of attention. The whole thing seemed really contrived to me. I really want the Gaga circa 2009 back. Here's my take on GaGa for what it's worth. Since she always wants to be The GaGa to her 'little monsters' :  she never just leaves her persona and becomes real like everybody else. To me....she must be pretty damned insecure if she thinks just making it real is going to diminish her star quality. She is a very talented woman. With every performance she does...she has to 'one up' the previous one and try to be more bazaar. You just can't maintain that pressure too long. Now, to me, her performances seem a stale mix of a lot of stuff just thrown together for shock value with not much relevance to each other. And keeping that GaGa/Joe whoever thing going when she was suppose to be introducing Brittany and letting her be recognized and have the spotlight was really being the 'center of attention whore' to me. JMO The fun side of Gaga has totally disappeared to me. Sad. :( I didn't mean to offend any Gaga lovers. JMO |
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Post by lulu2365 on Aug 29, 2011 21:43:41 GMT -5
Just my fan-hat talking and probably unreasonable too, but I want Adam to have lots of promo, as in lots of appearances and performances almost everyday/week leading up too, during, and after album and partially single releases. Really want the market to be saturated with him for those that probably have forgot about him after idol, casual fans that don't' know what he has been up to lately, people who aren't aware of him, etc. A lofty dream, but I can dream right? And Adam said He's making His Dream album.  |
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 29, 2011 21:43:47 GMT -5
Alrighty, but so good and nice to hear Adam talking and laughing with friends. With all of these appearances and programs slotted to come on around end of Sept., Oct., and Nov, it'll be almost a waste for the album and single to not come out around those times. Just my fan-hat talking and probably unreasonable too, but I want Adam to have lots of promo, as in lots of appearances and performances almost everyday/week leading up too, during, and after album and partially single releases. Really want the market to be saturated with him for those that probably have forgot about him after idol, casual fans that don't' know what he has been up to lately, people who aren't aware of him, etc. A lofty dream, but I can dream right? Lofty? Perhaps, but IMO, not only logical, but totally plausible. This is MY THEORY about why Adam may have a tighter single-to-album timeline IF the dates we are currently speculating on erm, analyzing uh ... running through the think tank at Stan Mission Control guessing are true. A couple things I totally believe: • Adam is a desirable guest/interview for just about any TV/radio/print/online outlet. He is a ratings/hit generator and a fantastic guest. He does great interview and photo shoot. He's not afraid of doing whatever the publication/outlet wants to do – even if it's totally "out the box" (ahem, Details). • From DMG's history with Katy, they KNOW how to saturate and they choose things that may not be your usual route. With Katy, they capitalized on her beauty quite a bit and put her on the cover of multiple national women's publications. • The usual route for a single launch (let's go with what has been the "industry norm" of about eight weeks) would involve a round of TV and radio appearances to promote the single, then another round to promote the album. It's a little tough to double up. Most talk shows don't want you as a guest within the same two-month period. So, you do half the shows for the single and the other half for the album. (With about a month in the middle where you're idle – though radio promo probably still happening.) My thoughts are IF the single and album release dates are 5-6 weeks apart, Adam can do full saturation. He can do EVERY talk show, etc. that he can possibly get to and promote the single and the album simultaneously. And IF this happens, he will be everywhere for those 6-8 weeks. That is my biggest logic for having the release dates so close – total, continuous media saturation for that entire time. |
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Post by nica575 on Aug 29, 2011 21:47:18 GMT -5
I am still catching up and just watched Gaga and Britney. I think that Gaga/Joe must always need to be the center of attention. The whole thing seemed really contrived to me. I really want the Gaga circa 2009 back. Here's my take on GaGa for what it's worth. Since she always wants to be The GaGa to her 'little monsters' : she never just leaves her persona and becomes real like everybody else. To me....she must be pretty damned insecure if she thinks just making it real is going to diminish her star quality. She is a very talented. With every performance she does...she has to 'one up' the previous one and try to be more bazaar. You just can't maintain that pressure too long. Now, to me, her performances seem a stale mix of a lot of stuff just thrown together for shock value with not much relevance to each other. And keeping that GaGa/Joe whoever thing going when she was suppose to be introducing Brittany and letting her be recognized and have the spotlight was really being the 'center of attention whore' to me. JMO The fun side of Gaga has totally disappeared to me. Sad. :( I didn't mean to offend any Gaga lovers. JMO We are talking about the person who went to her younger sister's high school graduation in a full "Gaga" outfit, with crazy humongous black hat and veil and the rest of it...now WHO DOES THAT? Who would want to steal attention from the graduating class? I remember they were showing her at that graduation on the local news...it was really shocking... after that - stealing all attention at an award show is totally a given... |
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Post by Q3 on Aug 29, 2011 21:50:29 GMT -5
RCA/Sony -- only cares about profits and total revenue, not chart placement. I disagree. Labels do care about chart placement because having the #1 album on the BB200 chart is promo inandofitself. That chart is published in numerous publications as well as often mentioned on entertainment programs. So while their ultimate goal is profits and revenue they are fully aware that thinking about album placement and releasing to optimize that placement can help in their long term goals. I cannot speak for all labels because I only closely follow 2 labels -- one of which is Sony ME. If you read the financial filings from Sony, and review their analyst calls, they regularly state their mission is to maximize profits and revenue. So, if you could prove that a #1 chart position = more sales and profits, then I agree it matters. But how many more albums would Adam have sold if he charted #1 in the first week of October? And how many fewer would he have sold because store traffic is lower? What would have happened if RCA priced FYE at $9.99 vs. the high price they released FYE at? And if they released in October, there would have been far less promo support for the album? And what if they released WWFM in late September and were able to move it up the chart before the released FYE album? If I could rewrite history, that is what I would like to see. A clean single release -- release WWFM first, release FYE #2 as a trailing single. There are so many variables it is impossible to unwind history. In any case, a #3 album that will be Platinum in itme is a good thing -- and it give him room to do better in the future. And it was the #1 Pop album I believe. ETA: One more change I would make if I were queen of RCA -- I would have classified Adam's album as Pop/Rock and pushed to get it on the Billboard Rock chart -- it would have easily been the #1 Rock album, too. |
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 29, 2011 22:05:14 GMT -5
Marie23 we have the same dreams. In an ideal universe Gaga would go on a loooonnnnnng vacation and hand over her PR Machine to Adam, thus Adam Lambert is constantly everywhere and people start saying this about him. Yeah, but I don't want him too saturated that people get tired of him. But then again if he was to get to the Gaga level of saturation I think Adam has the good sense to take a break and let people miss him, and come back, and not so much of what Gaga and co. are doing. where people are sick to death of seeing or hearing him. LMAO! Adam has years of total saturation to go before he comes even close to Gaga levels of saturation. I still haven't watched the VMAs opening, was on my way back to find YT link when I saw this. So figured might as well express my Gaga thoughts now. I think she is hugely talented. I think she is very smart. I think she seems like an incredibly nice person. But, like so many have expressed, she has become a caricature of herself. She has put herself in a position where she HAS to top herself, so it's about finding a spectacle. I would find her soooo much more interesting if vulnerable Stephanie Germanotta would would just lay her heart and talent out there for everyone to experience and not make it about the shock value EVERY TIME. Be a wild woman on tour or in videos – great! But still give some glimpse of the person inside. The Gaga schtick is just like a display of Halloween costumes. After like five, you're over it. What I find rather ironic though, is that the "old guard" are suddenly so on board with her. In the last few weeks, I've heard gushing from Gene Simmons (blargh!), Tony Bennett and Cher about how she's "the only surprising, unique artist!" (Seems so cliche that the "grown ups" are just now "getting" what the kids are into these days.) Elton John "discovered" her years ago and that's great. Now that the "iconic artists" have given their stamp of approval, will that take her to a broader audience or make her less cool? IDEK. |
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she never just leaves her persona and becomes real like everybody else. To me....she must be pretty damned insecure if she thinks just making it real is going to diminish her star quality. She is a very talented woman. With every performance she does...she has to 'one up' the previous one and try to be more bazaar. You just can't maintain that pressure too long. Now, to me, her performances seem a stale mix of a lot of stuff just thrown together for shock value with not much relevance to each other. 
