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Post by bamafan on Jun 23, 2018 21:22:29 GMT -5
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Post by 3ku1 on Jun 23, 2018 21:25:01 GMT -5
Adam would not be mainstream if he did not go Top 40 Pop. Be like James Durban. So I Don't see him shifting away from Pop Music. In any regard. Adam fuses an ecletric mix of sounds. So I expect the same their. Pop/Rock is prob his best sound in any case.
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Post by LindaG23 on Jun 23, 2018 21:28:13 GMT -5
Thanks yous! (I'm practicing my Irish )* Satisfied, I like the Aston Martin analogy. Lurleene, I agree that there been very high expectations and same ole is just not going to cut it. Pop or rock or whatever doesn't really matter for Adam. He needs to sit down with writers and say write the most outrageous song that you can conceive of because I can sing it! Let's push the limits. Finally, nightowl, I love Brian and Roger and would love for the three of them to conceive and record perhaps a movie score, but I want young writers for Adam's solo work who are just itching to push boundaries and explore alternative song concepts. Safe will not cut it. Adam, embrace the legend you were born to be! * I have been reading Tana French mysteries which are really good and very Irish. She uses 'yous' quite often and I had never heard it spoken until the recent Irish QAL interview
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Post by LindaG23 on Jun 23, 2018 21:32:25 GMT -5
Hmmm Adam is watching his FYE vid Wellll, maybe he will notice how good he looks clean-shaven and let the beard go. A girl can dream Or, maybe he is considering getting a pet snake
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Post by Craazyforadam on Jun 23, 2018 21:56:34 GMT -5
I had an epiphany last night. Bear with me because I am sure that somewhere sometime during the last ten years this same epiphany was stated by someone but that it just went over my head. Here goes ... It has always chapped my butt that songwriters who consistently write mega-hits for others, can't seem to write a mega-hit for Adam. From the very beginning this has been the case and it has driven me a little bit nuts. Surely, I think, people like Max Martin who have heard and analyzed many singers will be able to capitalize on the amazing vocal instrument that is Adam Lambert's voice in just the right way required to bring his brilliance to the people. Seeing Pharrell Williams on a commercial last night is what got me started on this tack again because he is one of the many that have tried but have largely ultimately failed. Damn you Pharrell for not trying hard enough! Anyway, I just could not understand it. Sure, there have been label issues, LGBTQ issues, radio issues; all of which we have discussed in great detail but still none of these things really addressed the fact that songwriters, while praising Adam to the high heavens, have not been able to really meet and exceed Adam's voice. Last night it dawned on me that it is, in a way, partially Adam's fault. He wanted/wants to be pop star, so he went to the great songwriter's in that genre and said, 'write me a hit pop song' and they tried using the formulas that had worked for them in the past and are still working for them today with singers who are subservient to the song. But those formulas just can not possibly work for Adam because Adam transcends the song. It would be like Meryl Streep wanting to be a reality TV star. Sure, these shows are scripted and require some ability to act, to read and emote lines but the genre is so limited that it just couldn't contain the outstanding actor that Streep is. If she were to be in Big Brother for instance, it would just seem false. It would be obvious that she did not belong, it would be fake, she would not be able to act on that basic a level. Another example would be an exceptionally beautiful woman whose genetics have graced her with a tall slender carriage, thick luxuriant hair, high cheekbones, full lips, and wide expressive eyes. Sure, make-up and clothes could enhance that beauty but she could not go without the extras and say, 'Look I am just like you'. It would ring false. Adam needs to own his exceptional voice and show it off to its full extent, to hell with convention. He does this with Queen whose catalog plays to his strengths, but unfortunately, it is not his music. He needs to make-up his own genre and wow the pants off people. That would be real and organic. I truly think the public would respond. I hope this is what he is doing with A4. I guess you could say that my epiphany is that since Adam can sing rings around almost everyone, when he or others try to do the ordinary thing it rings false and holds him back. I hope he can work with songwriters who think outside the box. Adam, let the beast loose! Great post.
And yes, Adam will always stand out, just like you say.
The butterfly cannot hide among the moths, even if it tries. I also think that Adam's voice is just different, it sounds clearer, brighter, purer, grander, at times sharper, at times softer than other voices, but never just like them. Adam has tried to slur his enunciation to fit in, I never felt that it worked. It sounded like a person who tries to imitate an accent that is not their natural one.
While I think that Adam was amazingly comfortable standing out in his visual appearance, I am not sure that he has embraced standing out with his songs quite as much. Or that he has understood his own sonic appeal or image to the same extent as he has embraced it on the visual side of things. Maybe that has changed. He has said that he is stepping away from what happens to be current. But when you are out there forging a new path all by yourself, it is probably quite confusing. And it is hard to make any suggestions too, not that Adam is asking for them, but just to emphasize how difficult finding the right song or sound is.
I always used to think that Adam needed a grand ballad, ala Whitney Houston, to place on radio. And yet, with QAL, while WWTLF is regularly the first track I personally go to after every concert, it does not seem that with the general public or the reporters that write the reviews, this resonates quite as much as it does with me. The audience reaction surely is strong, every time, at least until they are silenced by the guitar solo, so the song and Adam's interpretations touches people all the way to the last seat in the arena, but it somehow also seems to fade a bit in their final memory against the flashier big hits that come right at the end.
So what do I know what will truly work. Trying to bottle magic? Adam has had authentic songs imo, many of them, OOL, TSP, GT, Running...etc, but in resonance with a wider audience, he has not quite managed to cross over or was given enough of a chance, whichever. Will he, when he dares to be different? Imo, it is the only way he will. Whether it will happen, I don't know, but I am pretty sure that it will not happen, if he tries to fly with the moths.
By the way, who thinks that their stay in Las Vegas might lead to a little bit of song writing experimentation at a certain Pink Satellite Studio? Just a thought. I hope they just give it a try, no pressure, and just see what happens.
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Post by lurleene on Jun 23, 2018 21:58:27 GMT -5
James Durbin's talent and buzz was nothing like Adam's then or now. Besides, James did try to go top 40 and it went nowhere just like his rock went nowhere. And I don't think anyone said Adam should not go top 40. Top 40 and mainstream can cover a lot of ground. Some deeper than the other.
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Post by girldrummer on Jun 23, 2018 22:09:34 GMT -5
I had an epiphany last night. Bear with me because I am sure that somewhere sometime during the last ten years this same epiphany was stated by someone but that it just went over my head. Here goes ... It has always chapped my butt that songwriters who consistently write mega-hits for others, can't seem to write a mega-hit for Adam. From the very beginning this has been the case and it has driven me a little bit nuts. Surely, I think, people like Max Martin who have heard and analyzed many singers will be able to capitalize on the amazing vocal instrument that is Adam Lambert's voice in just the right way required to bring his brilliance to the people. Seeing Pharrell Williams on a commercial last night is what got me started on this tack again because he is one of the many that have tried but have largely ultimately failed. Damn you Pharrell for not trying hard enough! Anyway, I just could not understand it. Sure, there have been label issues, LGBTQ issues, radio issues; all of which we have discussed in great detail but still none of these things really addressed the fact that songwriters, while praising Adam to the high heavens, have not been able to really meet and exceed Adam's voice. Last night it dawned on me that it is, in a way, partially Adam's fault. He wanted/wants to be pop star, so he went to the great songwriter's in that genre and said, 'write me a hit pop song' and they tried using the formulas that had worked for them in the past and are still working for them today with singers who are subservient to the song. But those formulas just can not possibly work for Adam because Adam transcends the song. It would be like Meryl Streep wanting to be a reality TV star. Sure, these shows are scripted and require some ability to act, to read and emote lines but the genre is so limited that it just couldn't contain the outstanding actor that Streep is. If she were to be in Big Brother for instance, it would just seem false. It would be obvious that she did not belong, it would be fake, she would not be able to act on that basic a level. Another example would be an exceptionally beautiful woman whose genetics have graced her with a tall slender carriage, thick luxuriant hair, high cheekbones, full lips, and wide expressive eyes. Sure, make-up and clothes could enhance that beauty but she could not go without the extras and say, 'Look I am just like you'. It would ring false. Adam needs to own his exceptional voice and show it off to its full extent, to hell with convention. He does this with Queen whose catalog plays to his strengths, but unfortunately, it is not his music. He needs to make-up his own genre and wow the pants off people. That would be real and organic. I truly think the public would respond. I hope this is what he is doing with A4. I guess you could say that my epiphany is that since Adam can sing rings around almost everyone, when he or others try to do the ordinary thing it rings false and holds him back. I hope he can work with songwriters who think outside the box. Adam, let the beast loose! LindaG23, VERY well said! Adam is so ripe for creating his own genre, whatever that is, and whatever it might be called. He does not fit well in the existing genre molds. They just don't seem to bring out the best in what he has to offer vocally and stylistically. Writers have written some pretty darn good songs for him, with his own input, but somehow he hasn't tapped big-time into that pop/rock magic zone. His voice is great, his stage presence is astounding. I hope being "different" with A4 will work for him. He says the content is personal but also fun and varied. Fingers crossed. As for the good ol' AMAs, I remember Barry Manilow (a fellow gay singer) being interviewed after Adam's performance and the ensuing uproar. Barry said that Adam should have just stood there under a single spotlight onstage and sung a beautiful ballad. Barry was probably right. Adam's sexuality wouldn't have been the central focus in that first big non-Idol performance. It would have been about his voice, plain and simple. But we can't turn back the clock. Adam has done pretty darn well since then. But we want to see him at the highest heights.
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Post by LindaG23 on Jun 23, 2018 22:19:49 GMT -5
#dontflywiththemoths
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Post by marionm on Jun 23, 2018 23:36:07 GMT -5
LindaG23 I can totally follow your train of thought. In essence it has been said before but I think you've voiced it very very well. cassie has compared Adams voice to a Ferrari. I've stated that Adams "easy way" may not be cookie-cutter, mainstream heartthrob pop but "rock", or his very own version of it. Something people expected of him after Idol, but he didn't want to do at the time. (He's said he's struggled with that at the time) Exactly what you and others have described Adam needing to "find his own genre" is what I feel he is doing, what is happening with this album 4 and precisely the reason I can sometimes hardly contain myself in anticipation of the new music. I Love the moth and butterfly analogy. A Unicorn just doesn't blend in with horses. I think any "genre" can become "mainstream". Eminem had a rap song become mainstream. 50 cent had mainstream success with hip hop. EDM has become mainstream. Harry Styles is having success with his rock album and rocking his suits. Carrie Underwood (country) is doing massively well, from all I understand, so is Helene Fisher (Schlager). Helene hasn't had a lot of songs on the radio but is the biggest thing around. Andreas Gabalier (also Schlager) is filling stadiums. Has he had one hit on the radio? I can't think of one and I'm seriously asking if someone knows. A lot of the US teen Idol stars did arena tours here without a radio hit. (have emphasized this many times before) In any case I fully understand what you mean and thank you for finding such good words for it and my anticipation for A4 is up 100000% again lol P.s. What a GAME last night! #gerswe
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Post by stampsgal on Jun 24, 2018 0:43:05 GMT -5
Scroll can be a good friend..... In light of the humour earlier in the thread given us by nightowl, and thinking about a new love in Adam's life...haha, I came across an interview with Jack B Anderson. Some of his comments reminded me of a few comments that Adam has made over the years on the topic of Love, especially when he describes his state of mind in his earlier years. In the last paragraphs of a very loooog interview, Jack was responding to questions about " love". I am assuming his reluctance in part at this stage of his life, is based on his life with his parents and being the eldest of six, and step brother to five. Is there a readiness for love at this time of his life?? Read on. "I a little bit of a visualization task and it consists of two questions. The first part, have you ever been in love? And secondly, how would you visualize the sensation of falling in love? I have seen people fall in love and what is does to them when it doesn’t work. That for me is not what I want to be. I don’t want someone to have control over me or me to be dependent on another person. I saw more heartache than love and happiness when people were together. I know that feeling when people have that ripping effect on you, but I don’t think I’ve ever been in love. Is that sad? It’s a bit sad, isn’t it? What if I don’t know how to recognize that feeling?You’ll recognize it when it comes. Well, that recognition I can imagine, is almost like a hold - it almost takes your breath away. You might fuck up, but you don’t want to fuck up. I think the moment when I start overthinking and letting myself go - that might be it. ..... (I took out this part) . ...If you have it too soon, you don’t get to live the fruitful life that you should have been doing. Love is the ultimate prize - it’s to be in utopia with someone. It might be a cynical way of looking at love. No, because it’s like the high prize, so it’s really worth something and you need to be deserving of it. Yeah. Actually be prepared, be in a position to see love, so you are not blind to it or distracted by it. Be the full person that you can be. Know who you are and be comfortable with yourself. That’s the moment you can love properly. When they deserve it and you deserve it. That’s how I see it."whole article www.boysbygirls.co.uk/index.php/news/bbg-presents-jack-brett-anderson
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