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Post by nightowl on Nov 19, 2018 13:32:13 GMT -5
Are you sure, you mean me? I never criticized anything about the age. NEVER! And I‘m usually one of the first to speculate as you might know. I guess something got lost here... But I sent you a PM. Sorry, i was referring to tue conversation you linked and meant it in a general sense. In no way was i critically referring to you. Thanks for the clarification!
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Post by sizzling63 on Nov 19, 2018 14:21:20 GMT -5
I see pretty strong reactions to this latest photo shoot, and no surprise of course. Some fans totally love it while others feel quite the opposite. I don't get the sex appeal either. I don't understand this photo shoot at all - to me it looks like a drugged-up hippie in need of a bath and a change of clothes. Is it telling us something? I don't get it. Not sure at this point if the photo shoot was more of an "ain't that deep" dress-up party, or if Adam wanted to tell us something in terms of where he stands currently and where he is headed artistically, or ... if there is even deeper meaning. I like to see the shoot as a "sign" toward a more authentic direction. If I need a reminder what a gorgeous man Adam really is, I will re-visit pages of the past or simply click on some of the recent Vegas videos
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Post by relaxingoceanfront on Nov 19, 2018 14:43:21 GMT -5
Because nothing says more authentic like a weave?
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Post by sizzling63 on Nov 19, 2018 15:49:31 GMT -5
I am positive that Adam's fans will treat his new music with great enthusiasm, but ideally he will need to connect beyond his established fandom. Queen has put him in a pretty solid position, I think, and their resurgence through the BoRhap movie can only help. Let's keep our fingers crossed for some kickass, timeless music! I'm sure he will definitely deliver the kickass and fans will be happy with and for him. But do we understand what "his established fandom" means, 10 years of evolution of fandom/social media later? I raise my hand in shame as one of those who has been a fan for the long haul and absolutely no one in my social or professional life has a clue, neither face-to-face or on social media (not even you until a few days ago). I would hazard to guess there are fans reading this post who are same (not outing you though). Only now, 10 years later, are we starting to see tweets and posts along the lines of: "I have always loved his voice! He was robbed! Fight me". Mass anonymity has made it possible for fans to be fans without ever claiming or buying anything (then later claiming boldly "Bad Bunny is my spirit animal!" and then never buying anything of theirs either). Adam probably knows his actual popularity far exceeds the loud official numbers (and by official I mean "we have no idea how to collect 'popularity' statistics so just find some numbers somewhere"). Are we sure that Adam measures his success according to how much higher he is on the list than Bad Bunny? Maybe he's more like Bowie or Freddie or Jake Shears - bucking the trends instead of setting them - than whatever the pop flavor of the month is. Even Lady Gaga and Katy Perry and Demi Lovato know that finally, after selling your soul (and in many cases, your body) to the record company, being elevated to the Pop God seat is death to the artist. Does Adam strike you as someone willing to make that sacrifice? Since he hooked up with Queen, does he ever have to worry again about hustling records for a living? Queen could buy in cash any record company now on Earth. If Adam wanted Pop God status as badly as some of his fans seem to think he does, Queen would have bought it for him by now. Will our lives become meaningless if we can't live vicariously as a Better than Bad Bunny Pop Star through Adam? It didn't surprise me when he said in his last interview that he hesitated "for a minute" about what he wanted to do going forward, because maybe now he doesn't define success the same way he did when he was beholden to the likes of the sharks that bit him and spit out 'Beg For Mercy.' You raise good points and I can only give my own two cents to it. Adam's fandom. I think we need to distinguish between diehard, dedicated fans that are literally "on it" when it comes to streaming, buying and sharing on social media, and the many "casual" fans who liked Adam on Idol, enjoy him with Queen, or saw him on Glee and TV shows and even remembered him from Idol, but aren't quite "in it". I would consider myself pretty "dedicated", and I have been a Glambert from the start but still, I think the fandom is somewhat within a bubble. My friends know about my Adam obsession, and many of them agree that he is talented and a great guy but they would not go out of their way to see and support him, so after gifting a cd or two or treating them to a concert, I stop bugging them. I am a bit more "careful" with my personal facebook account, but I have posted about new albums or going to an Adam or Queen concert. In the end, I think all fans matter and I don't think being a fan should turn into a job. I think living and finding "fulfillment" through Adam's level of success and happiness is a dangerous path and each of us has to draw their own line. Adam has been dealing with balancing acts as well considering the business side of his chosen profession as well as his artistic integrity. He has stated that in previous interviews. I believe that numbers do matter to Adam to some degree as connecting with his music, possibly increasing his fandom and thus touring successfully can only be the ultimate acknowledgment for a music artist like him. However, I do not think that he is willing to make too many sacrifices at this point as his collaboration with Queen has put him in a very solid position to do his thing and march, or better "strut" to the beat of his own drum. And I think the recent photo shoot is a bit of an indication of that. I totally agree that Adam is more eccentric than the typical mainstream act and he should own it. About his hesitation "for a minute" what he wanted to do going forward according to his latest interview, I remember that he has been there already. It was post Idol prior to releasing his first album. I firmly remember from an interview back then that he had a bit of a "musical identity crisis". Understandable. There's the label, there are the fans, and then for Adam there was the Idol attachment and his own artistic vision. In general, it looks like in there are a many sides to Adam that need to be satisfied, and some may even be conflicting - looking for instance at his ambitious side and the free spirit within him - and I can only imagine how tricky it must be to navigate the music business at the same time. I think he can do it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 16:16:05 GMT -5
Rolling into Bryan Singer territory with these barely of legal age guys. I find it rather shocking to read such a comparison by an Adam fan. However: I will forever be grateful, that we become of age in Europe at the age of 18 (that includes being legal). Why shocked? Bryan is an older man who has dated, hung around with, and entertained substantially younger men both publically and in his home. It is no secret that Adam has similar tendencies. For Bryan it was not a problem until it became a problem. Someone made some claims of abuse, true or not, and they stick. And it is not just the age differential, there are power differentials, economic imbalance, peer pressure, unrealized expectations, and the list goes on and on where things can go wrong. And as we know, those claims can come up years later and be brutal on a career. Hopefully, it will never become a problem for him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 16:25:10 GMT -5
I'm always so sad when folks go into Adam's private life.. He gives so much of himself to his fans. He's entitled to have a private life. Me too all I meant to answer was that a photo was posted by a friend of Adams. I felt guilty and bad after I posted the answer so I tried to delete it because I don’t want to be mistaken for someone that wants to pry into Adams private life. I feel very strongly that that should be off limits. Now my name has gotten attached to a post that I didn’t make and I don’t know how to fix it. I truly hope he is given some respect and left alone. I posted the photo just as I have in the past of many other photos that have been posted on publicly facing social media. Key word there: PUBLICLY facing, these are not locked accounts. Adam is there, he is aware that his friends post on SM, and it is not his friends responsibility to hide him. If he wants to not be seen, he will make sure he is not seen. ctam2611, you are fine you did nothing wrong nor said anything that needs to be deleted.
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Post by nightowl on Nov 19, 2018 16:25:21 GMT -5
I find it rather shocking to read such a comparison by an Adam fan. However: I will forever be grateful, that we become of age in Europe at the age of 18 (that includes being legal). Why shocked? Bryan is an older man who has dated, hung around with, and entertained substantially younger men both publically and in his home. It is no secret that Adam has similar tendencies. For Bryan it was not a problem until it became a problem. Someone made some claims of abuse, true or not, and they stick. And it is not just the age differential, there are power differentials, economic imbalance, peer pressure, unrealized expectations, and the list goes on and on where things can go wrong. And as we know, those claims can come up years later and be brutal on a career. Hopefully, it will never become a problem for him. I would rather take a look at Lance Black and Tom Daley.
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Post by AnnAdoresAdam on Nov 19, 2018 16:33:57 GMT -5
Why shocked? Bryan is an older man who has dated, hung around with, and entertained substantially younger men both publically and in his home. It is no secret that Adam has similar tendencies. For Bryan it was not a problem until it became a problem. Someone made some claims of abuse, true or not, and they stick. And it is not just the age differential, there are power differentials, economic imbalance, peer pressure, unrealized expectations, and the list goes on and on where things can go wrong. And as we know, those claims can come up years later and be brutal on a career. Hopefully, it will never become a problem for him. I would rather take a look at Lance Black and Tom Daley. To be fair, nightowl it's not a good comparison as despite the 20-year age gap the other factors that Gracie mentions don't apply here as Tom was already a public figure, a gold medal winning athlete with a net worth of £2 million according to Wikipedia. So they were equals in all but age.
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Post by lurleene on Nov 19, 2018 16:39:34 GMT -5
I find it rather shocking to read such a comparison by an Adam fan. However: I will forever be grateful, that we become of age in Europe at the age of 18 (that includes being legal). Why shocked? Bryan is an older man who has dated, hung around with, and entertained substantially younger men both publically and in his home. It is no secret that Adam has similar tendencies. For Bryan it was not a problem until it became a problem. Someone made some claims of abuse, true or not, and they stick. And it is not just the age differential, there are power differentials, economic imbalance, peer pressure, unrealized expectations, and the list goes on and on where things can go wrong. And as we know, those claims can come up years later and be brutal on a career. Hopefully, it will never become a problem for him. Stars date and hang around with younger men and women all the time. It is not a gay thing. Straight or gay, stars need to be careful because accusations true or false or just someone's over active imagination can come from any place. Most often it is someone promising to make someone a star or help them with their career. When it does not work out it can be a problem. I doubt Adam is mixing his private time or promising to help someone underage or any age with career aspirations in return for favors. I'm pretty sure those are the complaints against Singer. Anyway, accusations can be made from any age or from anyone. Unless you go into seclusion then a star will need to use his best judgment. I have not seen anything to make me think Adam is reckless but I guess anything is possible. But fans imaginations will run wild so Adam needs to get his friends to stop feeding it because spreading unfounded accusations can be harmful to him and his career. I don't think any of us would like to see that happen.
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Post by ctam2611 on Nov 19, 2018 16:41:10 GMT -5
Me too all I meant to answer was that a photo was posted by a friend of Adams. I felt guilty and bad after I posted the answer so I tried to delete it because I don’t want to be mistaken for someone that wants to pry into Adams private life. I feel very strongly that that should be off limits. Now my name has gotten attached to a post that I didn’t make and I don’t know how to fix it. I truly hope he is given some respect and left alone. I posted the photo just as I have in the past of many other photos that have been posted on publicly facing social media. Key word there: PUBLICLY facing, these are not locked accounts. Adam is there, he is aware that his friends post on SM, and it is not his friends responsibility to hide him. If he wants to not be seen, he will make sure he is not seen. ctam2611, you are fine you did nothing wrong nor said anything that needs to be deleted. Thanks for that. I overreacted to some of the comments sounding like here we go again with folks trying to pry and i worrred that was how it seemed. That is the problem with typed content, sometimes the meaning gets lost. Anyway thank you and I agree sharing public information is not a problem.
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