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Post by fifthhousesun on Oct 12, 2011 21:55:30 GMT -5
...Especially albums. Without support - and Adam saying Don't Buy It - how is this going to make impact? Can't imagine tons of sales. yeah....maybe only 100,000 or so?  Well, yes, all those satisfied Take One fans coming back for more mediocrity, perhaps. Adam's bogus album selling 100K, IMHO, doesn't eat into any legit sales. And just shows his power. Even crap with his name used reprehensibly sells better than some promoted albums. It's wretched they're putting Adam's name on this album. Skunk smell creepy. But that's what people do. It just doesn't happen in our knowing to people we care about. But if we read about someone releasing George Clooney's commercial audition tapes, or some frat house topless dance thing he made at 22, we'd recognize it for what it is. Scum seeking to make a buck. Wouldn't hurt Clooney. |
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Post by fifthhousesun on Oct 12, 2011 21:58:19 GMT -5
yeah....maybe only 100,000 or so? Yay! 100,000 albums X $10 each = 1 million dollars. Is it any wonder Welsford is doing this again! >:( Good point. And this time Monte - and Adam - get paid. They wrote this stuff. And Monte played. May be what Monte was trying to get across in his letter. Maybe Monte is hoping he'll see some money. |
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Post by CindyM421 on Oct 12, 2011 22:01:45 GMT -5
I agree...it is no accident. But his silence is also deafening...he is in-actively killing a multi-year relationship by not stepping in. Guess that is what he wants. Life moves on I suppose....hope there are no regrets later....
I don't get this. I really don't. Adam's silence is inactively killing a multi-year relationship?? Why is Adam the bad guy in this? Have you considered that Monte promoting the album, including a link to a very deceptive website that banks on confusion regarding Adam's album, a website that deceptively used Adam's tweets about his RCA album and tried to link them to this album, could be ACTIVELY killing the multi-year relationship?? It amazes me how often others surrounding Adam are given the benefit of the doubt in these situations but not Adam himself. |
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Post by agnelle on Oct 12, 2011 22:02:46 GMT -5
I'm glad I got to properly flail over thoughts of the new single during my lunch break when I was completely oblivious about Monte's statement. NoAngel, you made an excellent point when you said "What we have here is two competing agendas, two different perspectives." That's the bottom line really. I'm sad Adam has to deal with this again during a time when he is bursting with excitement over his new music. From what I know, I'm also completely on Adam's side in this matter.
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Post by cassie on Oct 12, 2011 22:04:45 GMT -5
At this point, there is no BFM single or album to buy. It is still possible that Adam's lawyers will be able to block it. If not block it, then have Adam's name removed from prominence, or have some qualifier added to indicate when and how it was recorded. I don't know much about the law, but I figure they can at least get an injunction to delay the release while they prepare their arguments and counter- arguments.
If/when it is released it will not be on a major label. It will not be on a recognized, indie label. It will be on a label the DJs and program directors have never heard of. Hell, Adam had a tough time getting them to play his music with major label backing. What are the chances that top 40 radio will play this dated sounding rock music that does not fit the market at all, without a major label bribe push?
What are the chances that the CD, if it is released, will get space on the shelves of the major retailers? Again, no major label push or marketing. Yes, I know they stocked Take One, but that was a different time, with the Idol prominence. And the CD departments are shrinking in space all the time. Plus I have to believe that RCA will be working with/talking to the stores and, as much as they can, putting the pressure on to not stock this. Therefore, I am not sure how ubiquitous the in-store release will be, even if the lawyers cannot block it.
When Adam comes out with a new, legitimate single, people are gonna go ape-shit for it, and want to buy the CD (I hope). They will go to the store or go to iTunes and Amazon. There they will find the BFM CD. "Hmmm, Adam's picture is not even displayed. Is this the new music? Let me check the track listing. Hey, that single I love isn't even listed. What's up with that? Let me read further. Whoa! There are literally hundreds of comments about this NOT being Adam's new CD." Adam fans have already done that part of the job, and will amp it up when Adam's legitimate music is released.
Yes, some non-fans will still buy it. Will not look at the track listing or the comments. But, I just don't see it being a significant number. I also predict that, upon listening to it, they will say, "What the hell is this? It isn't at all what I have been hearing non-stop on the radio." They will then go back to the web site and add their comments and reviews, which will mostly be negative.
All this to say, I believe that Adam will survive this just fine. Yes, the slimeball will make some money. But, not enough to buy his own house with dimmers. Adam and Monte will work things out--- or not. If they have different visions for where they want to go artistically, they will probably separate before the next tour, with or without BFM.
I'm just gonna do my best to contain my excitement about Adam's new music until it is ready. The rest will transpire as it will, and, ultimately, all will be well.
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Post by durberville on Oct 12, 2011 22:06:03 GMT -5
100,000 albums X $10 each = 1 million dollars. Is it any wonder Welsford is doing this again! >:( Good point. And this time Monte - and Adam - get paid. They wrote this stuff. And Monte played. May be what Monte was trying to get across in his letter. Maybe Monte is hoping he'll see some money. "Maybe Monte is hoping...?" His remarks were quite clear - he will be paid and he encourages us to buy the album and support the parties involved. Nothing subtle about it. (Just wish they'd slap a Citizen Vein reference on that sucker) |
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Post by readon on Oct 12, 2011 22:08:18 GMT -5
I think Adam has made his feelings on this matter quite clear: Its NOT what I'm currently working on, nor does it reflect my artistic vision. Some folks will do anything to make a buck. Fuck. But truthfully, it doesn't matter if he changes his mind or not or if Monte wants us to buy it or if his father or brother or my dead grandfather uses a Oujia board to tell us he wants us to buy it. I'll make up my own mind. And my mind is telling me that I don't want to give any money to a sleazebag like Welsford because it just encourages this behavior. And to be honest, I cannot see why anyone would want to encourage this behavior. Late post and if the thread has moved on, please scroll. Scroll on. Scroll on. Keep on moving. Latch on to the fun. Scroll on. Scroll on. ( Insert Remix, rap collaboration, etc.) Stayed out of this discussion so far, but what you said resonates with me. Thanks for posting. |
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Post by adamrocks on Oct 12, 2011 22:10:16 GMT -5
I haven't read monte's letter yet (what page is it on anyway?) but the whole situation just breaks my heart. But things generally have a way of working out in adam's favour, so I can only trust that this one will too. (and in OT news, I think I've just been put into moderation over on mjs. I feel like I've graduated to the big girl leagues or something :-) ) Welcome to the club! ;D |
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Post by rihannsu on Oct 12, 2011 22:13:52 GMT -5
For everybody making a big deal about Adam's silence I just went back on his timeline to when the Lisa rant happened. I was told here that he "addressed the issue" withing 24 hrs. While that is strictly true as far as time his only tweet in any way "addressing the issue" was a retweet of this tweet of Monte's:
Monterrific Monte Pittman
by adamlambert
Just got off the phone with @adamlambert (we have each others numbers) and are excited go kick some ass in Moscow Montsters Of Rock 91 style
I continued on in his timeline until the Moscow performance and saw no other reference to the issue. Monte was taking a pretty good beating from the fans then and there was no tweet from Adam calling of the dogs. Perhaps Adam figures that by now we should in fact know that he and Monte have each other's phone numbers and are perfectly capable of communicating. Seems to me fans were convinced that Adam was just being diplomatic and there had to be strain in their relationship over that but I sure didn't see any signs of strain between them either in Russia or at the show in Canada.
My take is that Adam figures his relationship with Monte is really no more our business than his relationship with Sauli. Since there are no scheduled performances for the fans to angst over maybe he feels no need to say anything else. He called out the person he holds responsible for the bullshit and that is Malcolm Welsford. We have all the info we need to decide whether or not to buy the album. The status of his relationship with Monte and whether or not Monte betrayed him is really none of our business any more than the ins and outs of his relationship with Brad or Drake, and we'll find out if they still have a professional relationship whenever there are performances to do. But in reality even if they don't work together professionally it doesn't mean anything in regards to their friendship.
Yes, Adam has in the past defended his friends when fans got over zealous but those were usually people who had no business connection with Adam and fans really had no business bullying. I don't remember him feeling the need to step in and defend the Cherry's against all the fan accusations of using and coattail riding that accompanied their kickstarter project.
Yet another thing to consider is that Adam had a pretty good lesson this summer about how fanbases can cause huge feuds out of nothing with the whole James Durbin thing. Maybe he's realized that some things are just better left alone to die.
And of course all those who HeWhoCannot amedeted that Monte had to be involved with screwing Adam over are looking for every which way to spin his statement to hold on to their position. I agree with whoever commented that it was no different than the Adommy tinhatters. But you know what? I'm not going to tell them how to be a fan.
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Post by slappymcjellypants on Oct 12, 2011 22:16:37 GMT -5
That's the real kicker for me too - please don't tell me how to be a fan. This comment was in reference to the post above and not in violation of rule#4, I was agreeing with the sentiment that we should not tell one another how to be fans.  |
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