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Post by sizzling63 on Oct 6, 2019 13:33:46 GMT -5
It's great and understandable of course that Adam wants to connect with "his people" and thus finds validation in making them feel seen, while I as a rather "normal" female fan still don't feel left out following him. Still, there are two things stuck in my mind that I don't find insignificant ... First, from interviews not too long ago I remember that Adam still wants to connect with as wide an audience as possible and that he wouldn't be making an album if it wasn't for his fans. Secondly, unless I am completely off, I think we all know to some degree what most of his fans are made out of and why they got on board to start with. From my experiences, it has surely been more than his voice and his connection with those who feel left out, as women (and some men) have been drooling over him for a decade now! I was never part of that society but who remembers the "Glambulge" community? Lol. How and if Adam wants to derail that reality is up to him, but I think it is a good thing that "Velvet" has definite mainstream appeal, more than FYE ever had I think.
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Post by melliemom on Oct 6, 2019 13:39:56 GMT -5
Adam is being Adam Long live his individuality,his talent and his desire to be himself...I love his voice and Velvet.He is writing what and how he feels. How can anybody find
fault with that? Either you like the song or not,whether you have been an outsider sure doesn't matter to me..It's all relative . IMHO Adam is not writing amd singing for one
group.. The music is universal. I don't have to identify with all the songs I love from different singers... Being an outsider is a very big topic among a lot of singers today.. Just think of what our country is going through today.. Who is approved of and who is not
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Post by bamafan on Oct 6, 2019 13:56:03 GMT -5
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Post by LindaG23 on Oct 6, 2019 14:02:54 GMT -5
marionm I didn't want to quote your whole post above but if you are a reader, I have an interesting book recommendation that touches many of the bases you mentioned. The book is called The Power by Naomi Alderman. In the book, women begin developing an attribute that makes them physically equal to men and wow, do all kinds of things begin to happen, for good and bad, humans being human. It was on Barack Obama's summer reading list one year and is one of the books that I have not been able to stop thinking about. I think Adam grew up in a very supportive household and that support has given him the strength to explore his differences and how those differences can be meshed with the larger society. Unfortunately, not everyone has that kind of solid base and Adam is empathic enough to realize that and provide encouragement in any way he can, to others to explore and value their uniqueness. I like that about him.
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Post by marionm on Oct 6, 2019 14:41:43 GMT -5
thanks for the tipp! LindaG23 I still have "Why i no longer talk to white people about race" on my reading list. lol One further point. The Irwins are promoting the new season of their show "Crickey...". Their son Robert (sympatic, good looking jung lad, 15 years old) was doing interviews alone and with the family. There were some gay comments. Which just reminded me of of one or two articles that (imo rightfully) argued that we should also rethink our picture of masculinity. One specifically compared Timothy Chalmet and Leo DiCaprio and said that maybe we should give kind, caring talented actors a oscar before they have to swing a axt, shoot a gun or sleep in a animal carcass. Same with Shawn Mendes. Regardless if any of them should come out, or be gay. We have to end the stigma on the other side as well for guys who arent predominatly full on alpha.
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Post by bridgeymah on Oct 6, 2019 14:49:32 GMT -5
I understand Adam considering himself an outsider and he's heard from some fans who identify with that...but I tend to think most fans don't think of themselves as "outsiders" or marginalized or bullied, etc. I think he may think a lot of his fans are "outsiders" by generalizing his fandom thinks of themselves that way. But I'm just speaking for myself. I think maybe sizzling and I don't want him to limit himself and the music to just appealing to and for the "outsiders". ETA: I guess your perspective depends on whether you consider yourself an outsider. I'm not sure that "most" of his fans do....but maybe they do and I'm just in the minority which makes me an outsider in the fandom....lol. There are lots of ways to be/feel like an outsider. Doesn't have to be wholesale, can be a few or even one aspect of your sense of identity – even people who don't appear to be outsiders can feel they are ... so I love that message.
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Post by bamafan on Oct 6, 2019 15:21:40 GMT -5
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Post by bamafan on Oct 6, 2019 15:23:59 GMT -5
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Post by SophieB on Oct 6, 2019 15:28:54 GMT -5
A propos of ‘Outsider’... Years ago I saw an experiment where a group of randomly chosen young students (who presented as a happy, sociable, very confident group.of about 20) were asked to write an essay on how they really saw themselves....within certain parameters such as social ease, like-ability, integration etc. Then someone pretending to be able to paranormally read personalities instantly, met each of them separately for a few seconds, then told them what he sensed about their most hidden traits. With the first person, the ‘Psychic Personality Reader’ was instantly able to tell him things like; - you feel unsure of whether others really like you - you feel like an outsider; the odd one out -you feel everyone else fits more easily into the group etc -you feel a lot less confident than you portray yourself. -you are often lonely in a crowd. Etc etc. And the student couldn’t believe how accurate the instant ‘reading’ was. He was amazed. How had this psychic been able to see into his deepest secret feelings? Opening the essay and reading it aloud confirmed what the ‘psychic’ had already said. And the same thing happened with all the students....each of them having written pretty much the same things about being somehow ‘different’ etc. All were amazed that the psychic could see into their hidden fears and thoughts. Of course there was nothing ‘psychic’ about the personality reader. He was just examining an aspect of the human condition (for most of us). Perhaps Adam is far more ‘normal’ than he perceives himself. And I don’t think there’s anything ‘outsider’ about loving Adam. We are all outsiders in some way and some of us love Adam. (I am in Moscow....love it...freezing my tail off...doing my Englishwoman abroad thing of smiling at everyone because I understand nothing - and nodding like one of those toy car dogs so they’ll like me - and saying thank you, thank you, thank you when one thank you would do fine... Good job I didn’t have to write an essay for the ‘psychic’ )
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Post by marionm on Oct 6, 2019 15:36:45 GMT -5
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