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Post by murly on Nov 1, 2011 10:42:57 GMT -5
Since Adam will be 30 in January, I hope there is a huge birthday party for him and Perez isn't invited. Yes, I'm 12 and I am also a bitchy little girl. Perez makes my skin crawl. I seriously doubt that Adam would invite that hole d'ass to his birthday party. My feeling is that Adam is fed up to here with Perez and has finally written him off for good. But Adam is often more forgiving than I am, so who knows. Tommy has jury duty?!! Imagine sitting next to him in the jury box! |
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Post by burrito on Nov 1, 2011 10:43:23 GMT -5
And since we're on the subject I always feel a little bad for 12 year olds because they're constantly denigrated here and everywhere.  Cassie here. Deleted part of the text that was quoted, at the request of the author. |
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Post by lynneville on Nov 1, 2011 10:43:42 GMT -5
I wonder where Sauli taped the new tutka. Who's guitar is that in the background?
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Post by tigerlily on Nov 1, 2011 10:49:45 GMT -5
Would you take similar offense to one of Adam's "Bitch, please" or "Dance, bitches"? No. Just like I accept the fact that African American's use slang terms to refer to each other or themselves, that I would NEVER use. It is different- they know it and I know it. I live in a city where the racial make up is 65% African American and I can tell you that this language is used across a wide age range and in all socioeconomic levels. |
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Post by cassie on Nov 1, 2011 10:51:27 GMT -5
I tell my husband to stop bitching, so for me, it does not have an only female conotation (yes, I know that technically bitch is a female dog.) "Bitching" for me, is anyone who is unduly complaining and complaining about something. I think it's original meaning has gone well beyond, females. Many words have evolved, probably even since you were in grad schjool, cassie. Like, Sick = not feeling well & being "ridiculous" used to be a bad thing  Stand up and dance bitches, would be the utmost of compliments! And in that instance, when Adam used it in LA, it was used for male and females. Also, I would hate to see members' innocent speech habits or colloquialisms, being dissected here. I absolutely agree with you there. That was not my intent. As I said at the beginning of my post, the issue is a personal soapbox of mine, and I know that I sometimes overreact. I also agree with you that the meaning, the connotation, and the positive and negative implications of words continuously change over time. That was part of what I found in my research oh so many years ago in grad school. Perhaps I should not have posted on the subject here, as it has nothing to do with Adam. I was just struck by the phrase and thought of it in the context of the insults Adam receives because he is gay, or because he is androgynous, or because he is OTT, or because he wears --- OMG, make-up! Of the It Gets Better video where he mentions that he is labeled "girly," as an insult or taunt. Just my random dip into the deep end on a slow day. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 10:53:43 GMT -5
I wonder where Sauli taped the new tutka. Who's guitar is that in the background? I don't think that is Adam's house. The window shades do not "fit" the house. Hmmm, maybe they did go to NYC? Has anyone seen any publicity from Heidi's NY party? |
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Post by 4Ms on Nov 1, 2011 10:55:47 GMT -5
I tell my husband to stop bitching, so for me, it does not have an only female conotation (yes, I know that technically bitch is a female dog.) "Bitching" for me, is anyone who is unduly complaining and complaining about something. I think it's original meaning has gone well beyond, females. Many words have evolved, probably even since you were in grad schjool, cassie. Like, Sick = not feeling well & being "ridiculous" used to be a bad thing Stand up and dance bitches, would be the utmost of compliments! And in that instance, when Adam used it in LA, it was used for male and females. Also, I would hate to see members' innocent speech habits or colloquialisms, being dissected here. I'm more inclined to consider the source and their intention. I find the imposition of political correctness more offensive. |
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Post by wonderstruck on Nov 1, 2011 10:57:26 GMT -5
WARNING: This is me getting up on my soapbox about an issue I admit I may be overly sensitive about, so, feel free to scroll. In grad school I did a research project on sexism in the English language. I was disturbed by how entrenched the negative characterization of females is. Describing Perez as a "whiny, bitchy little girl." We probably read it and smile. But, the phrase includes two slams to females. First, by saying Perez is a "girl" in a derogatory way. Why? Because he is effeminate, and that is undesirable? If the description had been "whiny, bitchy little boy" would it have been as strong an insult? Or would we read it and think, "That doesn't make sense. Little boys are not whiny and bitchy." Do you see my point? Secondly, using the label "bitch." I fear that as a society that we will veer to the opposite extreme of being overly politically correct. I hope, as a society we don't become so narrow that we can't make off handed comments that are meant to be joking for fear of offending someone. |
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Post by LindaG23 on Nov 1, 2011 11:00:23 GMT -5
Well, I am going to take the opposite side. I have whole-heartedly decided to embrace my inner bitch, that part of me that does not want to take any shit from anyone. Cassie you defined the current meaning of the noun as, "a woman who is catty, bossy, assertive, and a "ball-buster" and I could not tell if you were offended by the definition or not. But I know that others who classify women as bossy, assertive, or even aggressive are doing so as a put-down and I take that put down as a way to keep women down. So when I am offended by the name "bitch", I am agreeing that being assertive is bad. Well I just cannot agree to that, so when someone calls me a bitch or my behavior bitchy, I take one step closer to the person and say, "So what, am I wrong? If I were less aggressive in my statement would you have paid attention?"
Don't get me wrong, I can be just as assertive in calm and polite ways. Strength does not have to be in your face. But after years of being taught to be nice and sweet (I was never very good at it) and girls/ladies don't do that, I find that when faced with the need to be firm and vocal in adverse situations it helps to tap into that little store of bitch.
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