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Post by chasingeden on Nov 8, 2011 12:17:06 GMT -5
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Post by carrieb on Nov 8, 2011 12:18:19 GMT -5
I am surprised that a delay in his album is a big concern for anyone. In the book writing world, you can take years - if the quality of the book is good enough, among other things, it will make a splash. I book talent as part of my work -- all different kind of talent from authors to professional speakers to preachers to sports heroes to solo singers to bands to choirs. In the past, I've worked in book marketing and promotion. When I moved into working with non-authors, I really had to re-orient my thinking, promotion and pricing due to the different nature of the audiences. In my experience, there is a HUGE difference in the shelf-life of an author*and others. This difference is due to the differences in the perceived nature of the products (long-term, permanent value versus short-term gratification) and the nature of the audiences. As an example, I booked a gig with an author who hadn't issued anything new in many years, but was a big star amongst a smallish audience before and the response at booking was tremendous. At the same time, I booked a gig with a pop musical act that had moderate but more widespread success just two years prior and got a big yawn in response. Luckily, their fees were commensurate with the size of their audiences. I will also add one commonality, however, is that the ease of promotion after a hiatus is largely (although not exclusively) dependent upon how big a star they were before s/he went on hiatus. It's far far easier to promote an author whose been on hiatus if that author was a mega-star or had a deep cult following and/or deep industry respect BEFORE they went on hiatus -- I have found that aspect to be the same with sports or performers. *I've also found that sacred or classical music performers can be put in the same category as authors -- their work is consumed by people who are looking for and reward those who create what they consider permanent works of art that will stand the test of time. Therefore, being timely and current is not a high value. So the question is -- do I as an individual consumer see Adam Lambert as a performer whose product I will buy now and consume for a short period of time or do I see him as a long-term part of my entertainment options? That to me is the difference between a core fanbase and a mass audience. Adam’s a pop star. Therefore, he sells music to people who want new music/videos/tours as entertainment and stimulation. If they’re not getting what they want, they’ll move on. If I were Adam, I'd consider myself lucky that my pop music fans are telling me that they don’t want to move on, that they want to keep buying product. In that, he’s far luckier than most pop stars whose mass audience has no loyalty at all. If Adam wants to be a mega-star in pop music and by all indications he does, his business plan has to deal with the fact that by its nature pop music is time-sensitive and current and has to appeal to a mass audience. A mass audience must extend beyond Adam’s core fanbase. A mass audience for pop music is inherently focused on its own stimulation – hence why Madonna wisely changed her persona with every album and Gaga less wisely changed it with every walk through an airport. They don’t have loyalty to a performer because they are not that invested in them beyond consuming their products and their persona right now. I expect that with these delays, Adam is going to lose a slice of his current mass audience fanbase because he’s not fulfilling their desires. It’s not that his new music won’t be able to extend his fanbase beyond what he’s achieved in the past – I have every hope it will. Nonetheless, these fans expressing their disappointment at the delay are just being normal pop consumers who buy what they want right now, don’t care about future music because they know their taste might change and therefore don’t know what they’ll want in the future, and who will lose interest if the present doesn’t meet their needs. That's the reality of trying to be a pop music star.
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Post by lifetraveler on Nov 8, 2011 12:18:20 GMT -5
So, what exactly is old school "funk" -- the only thing I'm coming up with is "Play that Funky Music" and/or (geez) Grand Funk Railroad.... I don't think it will be old school funk. No way! Adam is New, Now, Next... not old school. It will be new school funk. Listen to the intro on Kelly Clarkson's new album for song #11, "Let Me Down" It's one of the songs Adam tweeted about and to me, that beat, is new school funk. Great observation about the Let Me Down intro. Then the song transitions into an anthem, especially in the chorus, but I like the intro, it has flava!!
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Post by wal on Nov 8, 2011 12:20:43 GMT -5
Folks, does anyone know if MTV will be re-running EMAs again? I can't find it in the future listings for any of the MTV stations for the next two days, but I hope I am just "not seeing it". Do they call it "EMAs"? I really want to record... nica, MTVU is showing the Awards show everyday on different times. I also remember seeing tweets from LOGO channel that is going to show the Awards today. (?) My Uverse package doesn't include any of these channels, though, so no recording for me.
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Post by hoopla1 on Nov 8, 2011 12:21:11 GMT -5
We're always getting little goodies and treats from him, be it the EPs, DVDs, BTM, Russian concert, or whatever other event we've been blessed with. Two treats not mentioned that I am ever grateful for! AND ONE FREAKIN' HAPPY SONG I HAVEN'T HEARD IN TOOOOO LONG! ;D Have a happy, hippie day, peeps! ETA: That bridge part "need somene to be my LOVERRRRRRRR!" HAS WHOLE NEW MEANING NOW! BEST ANTI-ANXIETY SONG ON MY PLAYLIST RIGHT NOW!
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Post by wal on Nov 8, 2011 12:23:01 GMT -5
@hayley_TeamGaga: Tagged: adamlambert - twitpic.com/7c50o3eta: Her other tweets on Adam. Hayley_TeamGaga Hayley Gaskin @adamlambert t.co/WnFBbsv PLEASE take notice of this! Met you on sunday and this is all I want you to see <3 25 minutes ago Hayley_TeamGaga Hayley Gaskin It's unreal how down to earth @adamlambert is! He's so funny, beautiful + charming <3 31 minutes ago
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2011 12:23:17 GMT -5
I don't think it will be old school funk. No way! Adam is New, Now, Next... not old school. It will be new school funk. Listen to the intro on Kelly Clarkson's new album for song #11, "Let Me Down" It's one of the songs Adam tweeted about and to me, that beat, is new school funk. Great observation about the Let Me Down intro. Then the song transitions into an anthem, especially in the chorus, but I like the intro, it has flava!! LOL! I just added an ETA to my post that pretty much agrees with this. The chorus totally messes up this song or it could have been a strong single!
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Post by babie on Nov 8, 2011 12:23:59 GMT -5
Hello everyone,
Not going to rehash news of change with Adam's single release.I feel for adam but the universe is on his side.
However I feel that Adam can take this time and do some acting lessons just incase an offer comes along. He will be ready.
I know he wants to concentate on just music but everything is aligned for him to explore other avenues. You never Know.
Also some of you have suggested that perhaps he does some concerts. Will this not conflict with the court case if thats the main reason for hold up? This could give AKA Colwell stolen from Cowell (talk about name recognition!) AKA Westford etc opportunity to further extend their scam.
Well just my thoughts. Very positive about Adam's debut.
Later
Regards
Babie x
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Post by durberville on Nov 8, 2011 12:24:58 GMT -5
That was a really interesting post carrieb. Agree with several aspects.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2011 12:26:07 GMT -5
Carieb, excellent, excellent analysis of Pop music fans!
Adam’s a pop star. Therefore, he sells music to people who want new music/videos/tours as entertainment and stimulation. If they’re not getting what they want, they’ll move on. If I were Adam, I'd consider myself lucky that my pop music fans are telling me that they don’t want to move on, that they want to keep buying product. In that, he’s far luckier than most pop stars whose mass audience has no loyalty at all.
If Adam wants to be a mega-star in pop music and by all indications he does, his business plan has to deal with the fact that by its nature pop music is time-sensitive and current and has to appeal to a mass audience. A mass audience must extend beyond Adam’s core fanbase. A mass audience for pop music is inherently focused on its own stimulation – hence why Madonna wisely changed her persona with every album and Gaga less wisely changed it with every walk through an airport. They don’t have loyalty to a performer because they are not that invested in them beyond consuming their products and their persona right now.
I expect that with these delays, Adam is going to lose a slice of his current mass audience fanbase because he’s not fulfilling their desires. It’s not that his new music won’t be able to extend his fanbase beyond what he’s achieved in the past – I have every hope it will. Nonetheless, these fans expressing their disappointment at the delay are just being normal pop consumers who buy what they want right now, don’t care about future music because they know their taste might change and therefore don’t know what they’ll want in the future, and who will lose interest if the present doesn’t meet their needs. That's the reality of trying to be a pop music star.
However, 2 strong singles in a row will get it all going! I believe without a shadow of a doubt that he has several strong singles on there. Or else everyone is lieing! ;D
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