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Post by Buderschnookie on Nov 11, 2011 10:56:44 GMT -5
Monte's thread has a small tidbit of news/gossip. I don't mean to prolong the topic, just trying to keep the convo over there.
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Post by Q3 on Nov 11, 2011 11:00:11 GMT -5
If it is your local station, it is fine. If you are in the US and tweet/bash a Toronto station, or California to Delaware, that is going to cause trouble. Best to let locals who listen to the station take care of it. : I've been wondering about this. If fans tweet from their phone, how is a radio station going to know where the tweet is coming from? Most people do not have their location listed on their short bio description on their twitter account. From what I've seen, fans who are on twitter respond to TWEETS from radio stations about playing "Adam's new song". That tweet went out to the world, not just to its local listeners. IMO, tweeting back to a tweet that was sent out to everyone is different than requesting a song outside of your listening area. Sending a tweet from a cell phone is different than sending an email. You could be traveling in or visiting that area and decided to send a comment to the local radio station. I've been wondering about how all this would work with Adam's new single coming out in January, also. Twitter is becoming more and more the way fans communicate with magazines, radio stations, etc. First of all, yes, you can geolocate the origin of any cell phone call and any online message. Twitter added geolation coding to tweets in 2009. So, you may think it is blind, but it is not. Sometimes stations have the info and do not look, like WSTW Wilmington DE who thought there were a ton of Adam fans in Delaware until they check were all the requests and votes were coming from. With the increased importance of internet radio, many Top 40 stations now track out of market traffic, requests, and so on. Some like KIIS LA and Z100 want out-of-market audience, others do not. Setting that aside, enough Tweeter IDs have profiles with location that you do not even need to look at the coding. Takes just a few clicks to see that a bunch of tweeters have profiles that ID them as living in the US, but the station is in Canada. And the people who answer the phone at local stations can ID many out of market callers without even looking at the Caller ID. Some DJs have fun playing with fakers who say they are driving thru, visiting, and so on. It is usually pretty transparent I'm told. ----- It is one thing to tweet about a station playing one of Adam's songs. But the issue is tweeting @ a station. And if a station plays B4M and then gets Twitter bombed with a lot of @station_name tweets calling them idiots or whatever else you can think of, it is a terrible thing to do. (Happened 3 times this week. So not hypothetical any more.) Another example, earlier this week, IowaRadioGuy got a Twitter assault because he mistakenly Tweeted that B4M was Adam's real new single. Unfortunately, he is the same DJ who was bash by Twitter, Phone, E-mail and online when he leaked that Adam would be a mentor on Idol. Some of the tweets were downright rude. Not a good representation of Adam fans. And I do not believe he ever played the song. Local radio stations are primarily interested in local audience. Adam has a lot of fans. Let fans take care of stations in their own back yards. He is not some cult artist with 10,000 fans. Finally, it would be really great if Adam did not have to tell his fans to be respectful of radio stations this cycle. But I expect when he does release his new single, that some fans will "help" him once again. At least many core fans are much more knowledgeable now. |
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Post by tigerlily on Nov 11, 2011 11:00:17 GMT -5
This part is rather sad to me! :( The basis of the Colwel Platinum Entertainment lawsuit is two contracts. One was a Music Service Agreement between Adam Lambert and Welsford Music Productions, LLC, who was engaged as a producer for Wilshire Publishing Limited. The scope of Adam Lambert's activity was to record demos and masters for identified music. Lambert was to be paid $25 per hour for demos and $50 per hour for masters. The term of the contract was from February 12, 2008 and terminated on October 1, 2008. This contract was self-terminating and would not have disqualified Adam Lambert from participating on American Idol. Was this what Monte was refering to when he said "we were all paid very generously"? :  I know Adam worked on all these songs and then rehearshed and performed a few times. It looks as if the final total for a few months of work was about $2,500. That doesn't seem like a generous amount in my book. How far will $400-$500 a month get you in LA? No wonder Adam's dad was sending him grocery cards!  |
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Post by Q3 on Nov 11, 2011 11:17:46 GMT -5
Regarding the CP payments --- it does not sound like a lot of money compared to a major label deal BUT most indie artists get nothing. Adam is very lucky to have his deal with RCA. People do these project with the expectation they will get future royalties.
Adam worked for Malcolm off and on for 5 years. But there is an old post Idol interview where Adam talked at length about working with Monte and a producer on an album but finding out the producer did not have the resources to get it released as promised.
Now that we have seen the complaint, and the associated documents, and assuming that Adam sold 50% of his publishing rights to Colewel Platinum, Adam was left with a very small stake in the CV royalties.
**** I am posting something about the nameless Dead Man in the M**ty thread ****
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Post by adamrocks on Nov 11, 2011 11:17:53 GMT -5
Today's also Remembrance Day  (11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month )  I just wanted to quote Lulu's post because I think "In Flanders Fields" is one of the most beautiful and moving poems ever written, and I urge everyone to read it in honor of our veterans. It was written by Canadian physician and Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae on May 3, 1915 after he witnessed the death of his friend, Lieutenant Alexis Helmer, 22 years old, the day before. It breaks my heart. I feel the same way about this poem. I didn't have to memorize it in school when I was young but I loved it so much I did and I will never forgotten it. It is filled with so much emotion. And Sugarfree thanks for posting this video celebrating our veterans who served our country with so much honor as are our soldiers serving us now. |
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Post by virg1877 on Nov 11, 2011 11:18:13 GMT -5
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Special #FF @adamlambert Wishing you much success on this special day 11/11/11 at 11:11 |
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Post by SusieFierce on Nov 11, 2011 11:23:13 GMT -5
Q3: I've been wondering about this. If fans tweet from their phone, how is a radio station going to know where the tweet is coming from? Most people do not have their location listed on their short bio description on their twitter account. From what I've seen, fans who are on twitter respond to TWEETS from radio stations about playing "Adam's new song". That tweet went out to the world, not just to its local listeners. IMO, tweeting back to a tweet that was sent out to everyone is different than requesting a song outside of your listening area. Sending a tweet from a cell phone is different than sending an email. You could be traveling in or visiting that area and decided to send a comment to the local radio station. I've been wondering about how all this would work with Adam's new single coming out in January, also. Twitter is becoming more and more the way fans communicate with magazines, radio stations, etc. First of all, yes, you can geolocate the origin of any cell phone call and any online message. Twitter added geolation coding to tweets in 2009. So, you may think it is blind, but it is not. Sometimes stations have the info and do not look, like WSTW Wilmington DE who thought there were a ton of Adam fans in Delaware until they check were all the requests and votes were coming from. With the increased importance of internet radio, many Top 40 stations now track out of market traffic, requests, and so on. Some like KIIS LA and Z100 want out-of-market audience, others do not. Setting that aside, enough Tweeter IDs have profiles with location that you do not even need to look at the coding. Takes just a few clicks to see that a bunch of tweeters have profiles that ID them as living in the US, but the station is in Canada. And the people who answer the phone at local stations can ID many out of market callers without even looking at the Caller ID. Some DJs have fun playing with fakers who say they are driving thru, visiting, and so on. It is usually pretty transparent I'm told. ----- It is one thing to tweet about a station playing one of Adam's songs. But the issue is tweeting @ a station. And if a station plays B4M and then gets Twitter bombed with a lot of @station_name tweets calling them idiots or whatever else you can think of, it is a terrible thing to do. (Happened 3 times this week. So not hypothetical any more.) Another example, earlier this week, IowaRadioGuy got a Twitter assault because he mistakenly Tweeted that B4M was Adam's real new single. Unfortunately, he is the same DJ who was bash by Twitter, Phone, E-mail and online when he leaked that Adam would be a mentor on Idol. Some of the tweets were downright rude. Not a good representation of Adam fans. And I do not believe he ever played the song. Local radio stations are primarily interested in local audience. Adam has a lot of fans. Let fans take care of stations in their own back yards. He is not some cult artist with 10,000 fans. Finally, it would be really great if Adam did not have to tell his fans to be respectful of radio stations this cycle. But I expect when he does release his new single, that some fans will "help" him once again. At least many core fans are much more knowledgeable now. This still confuses me. What is the point of putting your shows online if you're not hoping to draw a larger audience? What is the point of tweeting out to the masses if you don't want to broaden your audience? What media outlets DON'T want to broaden their audience? And like really? They don't know that people rarely change their cell phone numbers now, despite moving across country? I know MANY people whose cellphone number do not reflect where they currently live. Also, I didn't go back and read the @replies of Iowa Radio Guy, but I never saw any "twitter bombing" on my feed and it's been proven on more than a few occasions that people get all victim-y and act like they're attacked by Adam fans and when you go read their @replies there are a smattering of rude tweets; the rest are usually quite sane with their explanations about setting the record straight. And most people I know have their geolocation turned off on their phone and on Twitter; if they are IP tracking, that seems like a LOT of trouble to go through, especially when they are asking for requests or call-ins, they always say "caller 104" or whatever and that happens in a couple of minutes. So they are attempting to geo-locate 100s of calls in a minute? |
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Post by adamrocks on Nov 11, 2011 11:27:05 GMT -5
Regarding the CP payments --- it does not sound like a lot of money compared to a major label deal BUT most indie artists get nothing. Adam is very lucky to have his deal with RCA. People do these project with the expectation they will get future royalties. Adam worked for Malcolm off and on for 5 years. But there is an old post Idol interview where Adam talked at length about working with Monte and a producer on an album but finding out the producer did not have the resources to get it released as promised. Now that we have seen the complaint, and the associated documents, and assuming that Adam sold 50% of his publishing rights to Colewel Platinum, Adam was left with a very small stake in the CV royalties. **** I am posting something about the nameless Dead Man in the M**ty thread ****[/color] Q3 where is thr M**ty thread? Thanks. |
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Post by tigerlily on Nov 11, 2011 11:27:34 GMT -5
It is one thing to tweet about a station playing one of Adam's songs. But the issue is tweeting @ a station. And if a station plays B4M and then gets Twitter bombed with a lot of @station_name tweets calling them idiots or whatever else you can think of, it is a terrible thing to do. (Happened 3 times this week. So not hypothetical any more.) Another example, earlier this week, IowaRadioGuy got a Twitter assault because he mistakenly Tweeted that B4M was Adam's real new single. Unfortunately, he is the same DJ who was bash by Twitter, Phone, E-mail and online when he leaked that Adam would be a mentor on Idol. Some of the tweets were downright rude. Not a good representation of Adam fans. And I do not believe he ever played the song. Local radio stations are primarily interested in local audience. Adam has a lot of fans. Let fans take care of stations in their own back yards. He is not some cult artist with 10,000 fans. Finally, it would be really great if Adam did not have to tell his fans to be respectful of radio stations this cycle. But I expect when he does release his new single, that some fans will "help" him once again. At least many core fans are much more knowledgeable now. Well, of course! This is always a bad idea and not what I was referring to. Unfortunately, something like this happens everytime someone mentions Adam in any way on twitter or on any type of online media! I still don't see why it matters if someone tweets a CIVIL MESSAGE to a radio station that sent out this type of tweet: freestylebunny Anna V Z103.5 just played 'Beg for Mercy' calling it @adamlambert new release...thoughts? Anyone who was following Adam's feed could have picked this up. I doubt radio stations who use twitter expect to get comments only from the listeners in their area. Twitter is changing the game and the way people communicate on every level. The tweets I saw were civil in nature and gave basic information. That type of informative tweet is acceptable in my book. The other type are not acceptable, EVER, whether it is from someone in the listening area or not! |
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Post by mahailia on Nov 11, 2011 11:29:50 GMT -5
Adam Lambert came by to visit us at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar on 08May09 -
For you newer fans, this was during Adam's Home town visit to San Diego after he was put in the top three contestants on American Idol. I thought it was very cool that he chose to visit the military base there.
Who else can sing like this? Thank you Adam for your voice and your patriotism
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I know Adam worked on all these songs and then rehearshed and performed a few times. It looks as if the final total for a few months of work was about $2,500. 
