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Post by brdgt on Jun 8, 2020 21:20:01 GMT -5
I had/have the same reaction to that slogan. BUT I also see it has a LOT of appeal to people living in abusively over-policed communities. For example, the owners of the shop where George Lloyd was suspected of using counterfeit $20 explained that they normally don’t call the police, but that a new employee was working and did. Have you seen the footage of protestors asking the Mayor if he would support “defunding”? When he says “no” he takes the longest walk of shame outta there, and I don’t think he will be re-elected.Meaning another democrat will beat him in a primary? Or this will open a door for a republican? I hope we don't start eating our own over a poorly worded slogan. They are not going to abolish the police all over the US. The Mayor was on the right side of George Floyd's death and calling for the arrest of the police officer. Then all the chaos seemed to turn him into the enemy. I think it will be career suicide to start calling for no police in certain parts of the country. Being radical left does not win elections in many states. TBH, I was terrified that we would lose my state if we elected Bernie, tho I would have voted for him if he got the nomination. My state is hanging on to our hard fought blue status by a thread. The support is there for BLM and police reform but taking it too far I'm afraid can change that. It just won't sell in many parts of the country that we are going to need to take back the senate and get rid of the orange one. The marches drew out all these people because of Mr. Floyd's death and to support BLM. Yeah, another dem. I hear ya, I feel bad for that Mayor, too. I think the “bigger” candidates know what will/won’t sit well with broader constituencies . But I think it might be different for some city-level candidates.
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Post by donnamb on Jun 8, 2020 22:03:47 GMT -5
Well, I agree that defunding is a questionable term. Unfunding might have been better. If it means directing funds to social services. My son was an EMT from age 16 as a cadet, working along with police. At the same time, he considered a career in emergency services/policing and/or service in the military. He chose to go into Coast Guard Reserve because of the guardianship aspect of the mission. He is sort of in law enforcement, but in maritime operations to inspect vessels coming into US ports. He decided that "law enforcement" in a traditional police department was not for him. Defunding should not equal disbanding. False equivalencies will arise from the term.
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Post by lurleene on Jun 8, 2020 22:15:53 GMT -5
Well, I agree that defunding is a questionable term. Unfunding might have been better. If it means directing funds to social services. My son was an EMT from age 16 as a cadet, working along with police. At the same time, he considered a career in emergency services/policing and/or service in the military. He chose to go into Coast Guard Reserve because of the guardianship aspect of the mission. He is sort of in law enforcement, but in maritime operations to inspect vessels coming into US ports. He decided that "law enforcement" in a traditional police department was not for him. Defunding should not equal disbanding. False equivalencies will arise from the term. I agree. They have been all over the tv explaining what it means. It is absolutely maddening. If you need to keep explaining you lose some and could lose many. What a gift. Everyone will not take the time to try to find out what it is that they mean. Unforced error. WTF!
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Post by brdgt on Jun 8, 2020 22:37:53 GMT -5
Maybe the slogan should be “fix the police”!
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Jun 9, 2020 0:04:05 GMT -5
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Post by sizzling63 on Jun 9, 2020 0:27:21 GMT -5
I suggest to anyone who has an opinion about police reform to watch the John Oliver segment that katycake posted in yesterday's thread. My opinion hasn't changed to what I said earlier. It is way past time to address this deeply rooted issue mildly. Enough. I think everybody should watch this actually. youtu.be/Wf4cea5oObY
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Post by bridgeymah on Jun 9, 2020 1:10:23 GMT -5
I had/have the same reaction to that slogan. BUT I also see it has a LOT of appeal to people living in abusively over-policed communities. For example, the owners of the shop where George Lloyd was suspected of using counterfeit $20 explained that they normally don’t call the police, but that a new employee was working and did. Have you seen the footage of protestors asking the Mayor if he would support “defunding”? When he says “no” he takes the longest walk of shame outta there, and I don’t think he will be re-elected. Making a (very) loose connection to Adam, he's pretty vocal right now about LAPD and how they have treated protestors. Lots of people have questioned why the police are dressed and armed like extras in an Avengers movie while doctors can't get PPE. The idea that some of the money currently flowing to Police departments might be better spent on other programs has merit. However, the slogan is lazy and misleading. And because people are clueless about framing whoever came up with the slogan have walked right into the trap of getting attention for all the wrong reasons. Instead of people talking about what it is, the framing forces them to talk about what it isn't. The accurate statement would be "Give less money to Police" - not sexy or catchy and we're addicted to hooks. But at least supporters wouldn't be spending the precious attention explaining they don't mean defund. There is a terrific explainer for the nuances of what people mean here: www.vox.com/2020/6/3/21276824/defund-police-divest-explainer
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Post by pi on Jun 9, 2020 1:14:44 GMT -5
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Post by Q3 on Jun 9, 2020 1:17:00 GMT -5
I suggest to anyone who has an opinion about police reform to watch the John Oliver segment that katycake posted in yesterday's thread. My opinion hasn't changed to what I said earlier. It is way past time to address this deeply rooted issue mildly. Enough. I think everybody should watch this actually. youtu.be/Wf4cea5oObYITA -- this week's program (in the video) was great. This is a topic they have been covering for over 6 years -- and so John Oliver and the Last Week Tonight team really knows what they are talking about. In the show/video, John Oliver mentions the Camden, NJ police department which was disbanded and rebuilt. More about that here: www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/08/872416644/former-chief-of-reformed-camden-n-j-force-police-need-consent-of-the-peopleIf you don't know anything about Camden, NJ, it is a very poor city across the Delaware River from Philadelphia. The per capita income is about $13,000.
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Post by bridgeymah on Jun 9, 2020 1:18:19 GMT -5
I suggest to anyone who has an opinion about police reform to watch the John Oliver segment that katycake posted in yesterday's thread. My opinion hasn't changed to what I said earlier. It is way past time to address this deeply rooted issue mildly. Enough. I think everybody should watch this actually. youtu.be/Wf4cea5oObYITA -- this week's program (in the video) was great. This is a topic they have been covering for over 6 years -- and so John Oliver and the Last Week Tonight team really knows what they are talking about. In the show/video, John Oliver mentions the Camden, NJ police department which was disbanded and rebuilt. More about that here: www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/08/872416644/former-chief-of-reformed-camden-n-j-force-police-need-consent-of-the-peopleIf you don't know anything about Camden, NJ, it is a very poor city across the Delaware River from Philadelphia. The per capita income is about $13,000. Love JO sadly his stuff is usually geo-blocked here in Oz. Grrrr.
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