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Post by Q3 on Feb 26, 2011 12:02:40 GMT -5
Adam released his first major label album on 11.23.09 -- For Your Entertainment.
This discussion is about the album, comments on reviews and random thoughts now that we know the album so well.
Help needed -- we do not have a collection of FYE Album reviews here or on Adamtopia 1.
If you have thoughts on an FYE Album review ---
-- Please post it in this thread in the Inspired by Adam section.
-- Include a link to the review, title, author, date published and author.
-- Select 1 or 2 significant quotes from the review. Please do not quote the entire review.
-- And, most importantly, include your thoughts about the review.
In addition, if you want to write your own review of FYE Album, please post it.
Thanks.
And thanks to Craazyforadam for inspiring me to set up this new discussion thread.
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Post by Q3 on Feb 26, 2011 12:06:10 GMT -5
Posted by Craazyforadam: (moved to this thread by Q3.) So, here are my comments regarding the 'Adam's Return' article. Here is the link again - probably wise to read article first: bullybloggers.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/adam%E2%80%99s-return/The article starts out strong, and while I had to look up who Ste McCabe is, the statement that Adam delivers a visual alternative to the one-sided media representation of homosexuality is of course spot-on. His observation about the album cover is sharp and on point: “His simple throw-back image shows us how we need to liberate ourselves, not from our own particular hang ups, but from the self-censoring positions we take whenever we defer to the broader society’s hang-ups.” I question a bit the sentiment that Adam does all of his antics in a calculating way. I perceive it more that Adam is just being himself, very open and honest and then lets the chips fall where they may. He does not mind creating friction, confusion or scandal. On occasion he will use a twitter message or an upcoming interview to make minor corrections to a perceived misconception, as he sees fit. But for the most part he observes the reaction from the sideline quietly, then puts out something completely different the next time, only to come back to the first topic some time later and with a different angle to it. Where the article starts getting a bit off kilter is when the topic goes into the actual review of FYE. The sentence: “Lambert’s poses are improvisations upon a gendered binary that sits with increasing uneasiness upon the purportedly biologically given,” does not sit right with me. Lambert BLENDS the gendered binary, not improvises upon it and he does so with playful ease, and not at all with unease. To quote myself here: “He uses the colors of the rainbow to teach the world the different shades of gray. And he does so visually as well as socially." Based on what we have seen it could very well be in his grasp to do it musically as well, even though the latter will remain to be seen. As far as the stereotype of good girl Cyrus (2009 article) image vs bad boy Adam (post AMA), Adam does not look for that dichotomy. He takes the risks that it may be perceived that way. But he will do everything to make sure that such a narrow-minded view can only be imposed on him with multiple blinders on and/or with major unease and deceptive intent. And if given a chance, he will call the originator out on his or her bias or he lets his fans do it for him. FYE is not paint by numbers. The rest of or most of the pop music market is. Adam is the artist who starts blending colors that paint by numbers ask you to keep separate. He is the impressionist painter among a sea of realists and cartoonists. But musically he has not quite found his own style yet, whereas visually and in message he has already made his impact. Musically he has the toolkit and color palate he needs and he made with FYE a bold attempt, but some beginning strokes are incomplete due to lack of time, other strokes still seem experimental or too hesitant (i.e. why is DTRH and Voodoo not on the album?). Many other artists have delivered concepts to FYE that Adam then has executed masterfully. He now in 2011 is in a phase where he needs to decide where to musically take his journey and while I am sure he will make good music on Album 2, I think that he will need a few rounds to find himself completely. Artists that do something new need time to develop their style, especially when each brush stroke that is experimentally made happens to be compared to the immediate flavor of the month. The miss on Broken Open in the FYE review has already been discussed by Cassie and Hoopla. But some of his other assessments are a bit more correct and I just decide to see those songs more as experiments and enjoy the new and old as they rub against each other, rather than compare them to or measure them against older master pieces like ‘We are the Champions’. But I would agree that SFW cannot hold pace with the classic or that Fever and IIHY are a bit basic. But I do want Adam to stay radio and Billboard relevant for now, so I think that such songs are dearly needed and entertaining and that is in the pop world an important measure. So overall I just don’t think that the author’s music assessment is as well rounded as his assessment of Adam’s visual impact. Most brilliant pop songs are very basic. The final paragraphs on his comparison with Mika as well as the level of involvement Adam had in the AMA’s and idol performances is off, based on wrong information regarding Adam’s involvement in different parts of his performances and tainted by the time it was written in. I assume that the author himself would write this part differently today. That’s it from me folks. Again, I think this is a great article, especially as it makes its most important and valuable statements in the area where most other reviews fail to deliver and that makes this review especially valuable. So, my points of critique are written not with the intent to rip this author, not the least, they are written as points of discussion. The author is associate professor and so I think it is fair to dig into his writing at this level. I hope these comments from me are taken in that spirit.
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Post by Q3 on Feb 26, 2011 14:38:49 GMT -5
Q3 comment: copies from the news thread.The first line in the Bully Bloggers bullybloggers.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/adam%E2%80%99s-return article is “ Adam Lambert talks a hot fuck.” Heck, we all know that since many of us are as much in love with his interviews as with his music. Of course in this case the author is referring to FYE the single but in thinking forward to Adam’s goals for album two I’m placing bets on hot fuck talking to continue. By that I mean Adam’s complete lack of self consciousness when discussing or singing (or dancing) about anything sexual. Whether this is a conscious decision or a more innate naivety, it’s simply for him, nothing to be embarrassed about. The author goes on to make a prediction. “The song might be a metaphor for the future role of the out gay entertainer in American culture. This song and its promise “I’m about to make it rough for you” helps drive a nail in the coffin of the sexless, minstrelized images of 1990s “gay visibility.” The insatiable, omnisexual persona Lambert inhabits onstage — from American Idol to the American Music Awards — is a bitch slap at the era of “limp wrist and a shopping list,…” . While this generalization about future “out” entertainers might come true I think that for either gay or straight entertainers it’s going to be the individual entertainer that determines how much that is accepted by the public. For example we’ve talked about Constantine a few times in the last several days. I think the description of “smarmy” has come up. Somebody said upstream that he doesn’t come across that way in his character in “Rock of Ages” but I’m not sure any of us feel that his non-character real self matches up to what he can pretend to be. Perhaps that’s why Adam is drawn to the role of villain when he describes roles he’d like to play and possibly why he had fun in the FYE video filming. Something that is so alien to his real self. I was going to do an analogy here of a gay Constantine doing the FYE video in 2006 BA (before Adam) and how he would be received but I'm afraid. Very afraid.
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Post by Q3 on Feb 26, 2011 15:32:04 GMT -5
Copied by Q3 from 2.26.11 NewsThe author goes on to make a prediction. “The song might be a metaphor for the future role of the out gay entertainer in American culture. This song and its promise “I’m about to make it rough for you” helps drive a nail in the coffin of the sexless, minstrelized images of 1990s “gay visibility.” The insatiable, omnisexual persona Lambert inhabits onstage — from American Idol to the American Music Awards — is a bitch slap at the era of “limp wrist and a shopping list,…” . Jablea, thanks for bringing back this quote -- it really stood out for me as well, and I'm hoping since it speaks to Adam's ongoing stage persona and not just FYE that this comment belongs in this thread (feel free to move if not). I think he nailed it by saying that persona is "omnisexual" (actually, before I read this again I was remembering the phrase as "sexually omnivorous", which fits, too) and not at all "limp-wristed". Adam the person remains, consistently, a gay man ("unless you have a surprise under that dress, I don't think it's happening" is about as plain as you can make it), but his stage persona is this Dionysian rockstar channelling sexual energy indiscriminately and joyously. (Well, not always -- there's always the sensitive dude on the stool, and there are those wonderful fourth-wall-breaking moments when he breaks out in a "wasn't that ridiculous and FUN?" grin). We haven't seen that before from a gay performer (though there are examples of straight rock stars doing it -- Bowie, Jagger, Lou Reed, etc.), and I think, if I can have an opinion from the sidelines, that it would have created discomfort and controversy in the gay community even if the AMA performance hadn't gone over the edge from sexually omnivorous to downright aggressive. I personally don't think any man, gay or straight, could have gotten away with that performance. We accept it from women because, although there are anomalies, women do not have the real-life history of violence against their sexual partners that men do. Women are not taken seriously as a physical-sexual threat so when they play that role on stage, it's taken as play. And we know that Adam is all about play (one of my favourite quotes from him is from Rock My Town, "Thanks for playhing along!"). Sometimes he's playing with very light-weight stuff (I love his campiness in "Strut ) and sometimes he's playing with much weightier issues in a light-hearted way, like the subversiveness of kissing Tommy onstage in order to desensitize people. We know Adam has a social agenda that far, because he's said so. Does it go farther, consciously, to what this writer implies about his role as someone challenging mainstream society to accept gay men as full and potent people, not as limp-wristed shopping buddies? Possibly.
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Post by Q3 on Feb 26, 2011 15:35:32 GMT -5
Moved by Q3.
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Post by hoopla1 on Feb 26, 2011 17:42:34 GMT -5
THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BULLYBLOGGER REVIEW STARTED AROUND 11PM(?) LAST NIGHT 2/25. I'M BRINGING OVER MY POST #309 @11:59. I HOPE OTHERS WILL MOVE THEIR POSTS TO THIS THREAD!!! Okay, I like this review very much, but I just don't get this part:
Most disappointing is “Broken Open,” surprisingly the album’s single nod to the goth-musical theater continuum that Lambert rode to American Idol success. The song cynically attempts to reconstruct the opening moments of his cover of “Mad World” note for note, on the condescending assumption that its audience will be too dumb to notice or care. Such transparent recycling bodes ill for the larger promise of Mr. Lambert to be a groundbreaker.
Here are the two songs, back to back...WTF is he talking about? Am I missing something? I LOVE Broken Open--it never reminds me of Mad World--??
MAD WORLD
BROKEN OPEN
Craazylady, I'd never seen this--thanks much for posting it! Going back to read once more.
ETA: OMG, I just listened again, and I get what he's saying...it's NOT note for note, but it is similar...but the beginning instrumentals and electronica noises give it a whole different vibe to me. Hmmmm....
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Post by hoopla1 on Feb 26, 2011 17:48:28 GMT -5
Hey, you're doing well! I posted the link and a comment last October when the Powers' edited book was being reviewed (along with the Nation piece published post Idol finale)- some crickets enjoyed it. I am out of town and couldn't go to Pop Con that Ann is currently attending but some very interesting and/or provocative (if not all wholly convincing) pieces were being written for that on diverse aspects of music. For those interested, I'm sure either the papers will come out or at least some blogs by presenters/attendees. FWIW. Goodnight~ Damn, Mika, sorry I missed it at the time--and I'll have to look up the Nation piece, too. If I read it, I can't remember now. Don't give up on us dude! It'd really be nice to hear some of your thoughts on the Nyong'o piece. Like what's your favorite line/fresh idea in it? So far, this is my favorite sentence from the piece on Adam: He hopes to redefine what counts as mainstream, not fit into it.What do you think? Is this true? I certainly hope so. I think this statement might be born out by US sales figures for FYE. Don't get me wrong, I think his sales are fine. Just saying that I think the statement IS true and that his first effort was a damned good balancing act of redefining mainstream (ART) vs. fitting in (BUSINESS). Going this route means platinum will take a while, especially in US where definition of mainstream is so much narrower than many other countries. Of course, I'm tired and could be talking out my ass. link again: bullybloggers.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/adam%E2%80%99s-return/
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Post by hoopla1 on Feb 26, 2011 23:48:15 GMT -5
Cassie's 2/25 post:Today at 12:05am, hoopla1 wrote: OMG, I just listened again, and I get what he's saying...it's NOT note for note, but it is similar...but the beginning instrumentals and electronica noises give it a whole different vibe to me. Hmmmm.... Shame on you, hoopla. Just as I am getting ready to sleep you pose this musical challenge. Made me haul out my paper and pen and sit down at the piano. Yes the first few notes are similar. Transposing them so that they are in the same relative key, (the vids are not) in the opening phrase to Mad World and Broken Open: "All a(round"), is the same note as "Bro(ken)"; "(fa)miliar faces" is the same two notes as "Pieces"; "Worn out" the same note as "Break"; "(spa)ces" is the same two notes as "into me". (I diagrammed it all out with notes and words lining up, but the formatting didn't show up in the preview.) So, yes, the same progression of notes appears in both opening phrases. HOWEVER, the harmonies and the basic keys are different. Mad World is in the key of C minor and Broken Open is in the key of F major. The difference between the minor and major key makes for a totally different mood to the pieces. So, I think this author is blowing smoke. AND ANOTHER ONE FROM CASSIE:Today at 1:39am, hoopla1 wrote: Thanks, Cassie!! I'm so glad you took the trouble to do that! I could hear the similarities when he started singing (couldn't during the opening instrumental notes), but the vibe of the song is so different...I think he's blowing smoke too. And I def don't think Adam deliberately copied it, and I KNOW his fans aren't "dumb."Have you read that piece yet? It really is good. Haven't read the piece yet. As I said, I WAS going to bed. Like others, I thought I would tackle it tomorrow --- well later today. As for blowing smoke, I don't think artists generally purposely plagiarize others' songs. But, it can happen subconsciously. Some phrases and chords just come to you and sound right. I remember Paul McCartney saying he woke up one morning and the entire song, Yesterday, just appeared in his head and wrote itself. He was worried that it was actually a song he had heard previously, and that it was not his original. On the other hand, George Harrison's My Sweet Lord has the same melody line and chording/harmony as the Chiffon's He's So Fine. (He lost the law suit, too, I think.) And Tik Tok and the Katy Perry song have almost identical melody lines and harmonies, plus very similar backing tracks. But, Mad World and Broken Open only resemble each other on the surface, with a progression of notes in the first musical phrase. Little else is similar. As I said, the major and minor key differences are unmistakable. The chords/harmonies are different. The bridges of the two songs are completely different. Heck, there are only twelve notes possible in an octave scale - and in any key, most of the time, only seven of them are used in a song. The possibilities of one song melody approximating another for a phrase are pretty great. And there are some very common chord progressions in pop music, too. I think this was posted some time back, but, it is a riot. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I
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