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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Nov 30, 2011 13:42:29 GMT -5
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Post by cassie on Nov 30, 2011 13:42:50 GMT -5
When I read Adam's original quote about thinking about marriage, I thought he was referring to the idea in general. That he had never considered the possibility of marriage because there was no possibility until recently. But, now, it is an important topic in the battle for equal rights. So, it is on his "radar", so to speak, as an issue. And he cannot get married in California, even if he wanted to.
I didn't think he was talking specifically about Sauli. Adam knows that he is about to launch into a year long frenzy of promotion, music making, touring, appearances, travel, etc. etc. Having been thru it once, he knows how all consuming it will be. Remember when he was asked previously about dating, he said that he 't wouldn't be able to devote the time and attention a relationship needs? Altho' Adam is in love now, and the relationship seems strong and positive, I would think that Adam recognizes that making a marriage commitment now is not advisable. And, not necessary.
Just my random thoughts about it.
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Post by mahailia on Nov 30, 2011 13:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by LindaG23 on Nov 30, 2011 13:44:55 GMT -5
Way to go Mayron, out there pissing off legit journalists. And they call Glamberts cray :  and LOL for Mansfield implying that all copies of BFM were bought by Mayron et al. |
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Post by adamrocks on Nov 30, 2011 13:48:10 GMT -5
When I read Adam's original quote about thinking about marriage, I thought he was referring to the idea in general. That he had never considered the possibility of marriage because there was no possibility until recently. But, now, it is an important topic in the battle for equal rights. So, it is on his "radar", so to speak, as an issue. And he cannot get married in California, even if he wanted to. I didn't think he was talking specifically about Sauli. Adam knows that he is about to launch into a year long frenzy of promotion, music making, touring, appearances, travel, etc. etc. Having been thru it once, he knows how all consuming it will be. Remember when he was asked previously about dating, he said that he 't wouldn't be able to devote the time and attention a relationship needs? Altho' Adam is in love now, and the relationship seems strong and positive, I would think that Adam recognizes that making a marriage commitment now is not advisable. And, not necessary. Just my random thoughts about it. I agree, Cassie. That is what I thought Adam meant, also. You know....Adam and his 'rambling interviews' can be confusing at times!  ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2011 13:48:14 GMT -5
AleksandraKV, I hear your point. Adam has definitely been sort of all over the place with the marriage question. My thoughts: I wish the media (and more fans) would focus on the travesty that gay marriage is not legal in most states in the U.S., and that even if a gay person can get married in their state, federal law doesn't recognize it. The whole point of Outlaws of Love is this, and it deserves attention. I don't think Adam is always very precise in his language. I think he knows what he means, and it all makes sense in his head, but his words are sometimes a bit vague which means people will interpret at will. I think it is natural for the media and fans to speculate about Adam's personal life because that's a lot of what drives reader and fan interest. It is what it is, although it does make me a bit queasy when it seems that that is all anyone talks about. Finally, we forget that there's another person in this equation-- Sauli. And he's what- 25, 26 years old? Super young, at any rate. No one knows what his POV is on the whole thing. For all we know, he could be the one saying, "Woah, let's not rush into anything..." My point is that Adam can do all the thinking and considering he wants, and there's another person who has to be on the same page at the same time. My personal opinion is that they're both perfectly content with the way their lives are right now, but they probably have at least talked about marriage in a theoretical way, which obviously inspired Adam to write OoL and to say that he is struck for the first time in a real way, that he couldn't even if he wanted to. Exactly. I agree with all you said. I believe that everything we've written til now, all the different aspects of the issue, and much more, has been going through that analytical and overthinking mind of his. |
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Post by murly on Nov 30, 2011 13:49:29 GMT -5
On the other hand, his insistent denying is also confusing... It seems impossible that anyone in a loving and stable relationship is not at least thinking about it. I'm not a native speaker, so the difference between 'considering' and 'thinking about' is eluding me. If he was my boyfriend, at this point I would probably be a little offended by now , no matter what he tells me privately. I know it sounds a little peevish and petty, but c'mon, we all know how relationships work... I'm obviously not speaking for Adam 8-) but for me marriage is not a concept that I'm interested in. Why would I need a state-sanctioned license to be together (and lets not even talk about the church). So no, not once have a ever thought about marriage even tho in a loving and stable relationship. Everybody should have the right to get married if that's something they need, but my guess is Adam (and Sauli) are not among those people who need that piece of paper. Marriage is a lot more than just a piece of paper. From religioustolerance.org: www.religioustolerance.org/mar_bene.htmThat said, it's possible that neither Adam nor Sauli feels ready for that degree of commitment quite yet even if it were legally possible. In that regard, they are no different from any straight couple who feel pressure from friends or relatives to spell out their relationship. It's always embarrassing when the m-word is raised around a couple who have not themselves decided to take that step yet, because they're forced to defend the seriousness of their relationship while still not committing to that one big step. Adam seems to be at that stage now. I just wish that marriage discrimination would be declared unconstitutional so that the choice was there for all Americans. |
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Post by SusieFierce on Nov 30, 2011 13:50:09 GMT -5
AleksandraKV, I hear your point. Adam has definitely been sort of all over the place with the marriage question. My thoughts: I wish the media (and more fans) would focus on the travesty that gay marriage is not legal in most states in the U.S., and that even if a gay person can get married in their state, federal law doesn't recognize it. The whole point of Outlaws of Love is this, and it deserves attention. I don't think Adam is always very precise in his language. I think he knows what he means, and it all makes sense in his head, but his words are sometimes a bit vague which means people will interpret at will. I think it is natural for the media and fans to speculate about Adam's personal life because that's a lot of what drives reader and fan interest. It is what it is, although it does make me a bit queasy when it seems that that is all anyone talks about. Finally, we forget that there's another person in this equation-- Sauli. And he's what- 25, 26 years old? Super young, at any rate. No one knows what his POV is on the whole thing. For all we know, he could be the one saying, "Woah, let's not rush into anything..." My point is that Adam can do all the thinking and considering he wants, and there's another person who has to be on the same page at the same time. My personal opinion is that they're both perfectly content with the way their lives are right now, but they probably have at least talked about marriage in a theoretical way, which obviously inspired Adam to write OoL and to say that he is struck for the first time in a real way, that he couldn't even if he wanted to. ITA!! I don't get why people are so confused. Relationships are confusing. Most people do NOT know hard and fast where there relationship is going to go one year into it. Yes, they live together, but many people have lived with their SOs in college and their 20s and marriage was never even considered. Now, I think "considered" is a very broad term. I've considered having children, but never came remotely close to having them. I've considered retirement, but it won't happen for 30 years probably. In my interpretation, anytime you're thought about anything even in passing, you've considered it. Maybe you decided it wasn't for you at this time, in the immediate future or ever, but to arrive at that decision, you had to have considered it. Many young people in their 20s have never considered marriage, even if they're living with someone. Same sex marriage wasn't something even on the table a few years ago, so why would your brain even go there? Now that it is something people are fighting very hard for, of course most people in that situation think, "Huh, if I could, would I?" And of course, every person's answer would likely be different. I am very close to a gay couple that have lived together for seven years and I don't know if they've ever seriously considered marriage. I've never asked them and would feel intrusive doing so. (Maybe if we were on the subject of gay marriage, I might, but it would depend on the situation.) The bottom line is, Adam DID write a song that deals with it thematically, so asking his views on the subject are not so totally out of left field. |
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Post by virg1877 on Nov 30, 2011 13:50:16 GMT -5
Virg - where is this from? This is the guy that is trying to push B4M, correct? Think Mansfield deleted his fb comment |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2011 13:50:30 GMT -5
Just an FYI, #200 on the Billboard albums chart sold, 6,700. So that means that BFM sold less than that because it did not make any charts! ;D  |
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and LOL for Mansfield implying that all copies of BFM were bought by Mayron et al.
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