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Post by pi on Nov 24, 2020 16:30:28 GMT -5
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Post by lurleene on Nov 24, 2020 16:43:12 GMT -5
The Grammy nominations are out and no big surprises. Beyonce has the most with 9. Pop is filled with the big sellers and chart toppers. One of Adam's inspirations, Tame Tamela was nominated in alt. Really intrigued by Brittney Howard. She release about a week before Velvet but sold only a little better than Adam. I don't know how well her album has done sinse then but she scored 5 Grammy nomination (sure she will get a big push now). She is bi-racial and LGBT and on an indie label. She scored nominations for different songs and in different categories. Best Alt Album. Rock Performance. Rock song. R&B Performance. Roots Performance. And I recently saw her in a commercial, lol. It is sort of nice to see someone who is not the flavor of the moment getting such recognition. www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/2021-grammy-nominations-see-the-complete-list-of-artists-up-for-an-award/ar-BB1bk0vH
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Post by girldrummer on Nov 24, 2020 17:44:17 GMT -5
Oops! Yes, the Disney thing is on Monday the 30th. My mistake. Looking forward to it.
I am once again disappointed that Adam did not get a Grammy nom. Yet others will no better music or talent get lots of noms. Everyone suffered from the COVID effect this year. No one got to tour or do the same kind of promo. I just don't understand why Adam doesn't get the attention he deserves. He sure gets respect for his own voice and for QAL. His own music is as good as anybody's. But I know we've said this all a million times. Doesn't change a thing. I'd like to believe that if Velvet had gotten more exposure and play, he might have had a shot.
Noms can be almost as big a boost as a win. Brittney Howard will benefit from those noms even if she doesn't win. Good luck to her. Adam has other things that are coming up next year: animated film, etc. Shosh has hinted at other things, too. Gotta say, Adam's fans are loyal and true.
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Post by lurleene on Nov 24, 2020 18:44:52 GMT -5
Oops! Yes, the Disney thing is on Monday the 30th. My mistake. Looking forward to it. I am once again disappointed that Adam did not get a Grammy nom. Yet others will no better music or talent get lots of noms. Everyone suffered from the COVID effect this year. No one got to tour or do the same kind of promo. I just don't understand why Adam doesn't get the attention he deserves. He sure gets respect for his own voice and for QAL. His own music is as good as anybody's. But I know we've said this all a million times. Doesn't change a thing. I'd like to believe that if Velvet had gotten more exposure and play, he might have had a shot. Noms can be almost as big a boost as a win. Brittney Howard will benefit from those noms even if she doesn't win. Good luck to her. Adam has other things that are coming up next year: animated film, etc. Shosh has hinted at other things, too. Gotta say, Adam's fans are loyal and true. I feel your pain. Velvet was excellent. But I'm not surprised or too disappointed. As soon as he/label submitted everything to pop, I didn't think there was any chance. Heavy hitters and big sellers and chart toppers have ruled that genre. Adam received a lot of favorable and great reviews for Velvet and the diversity. Many calling it great funk rock, soulful, rock and disco as well as pop and beautiful ballads. Adam even said he was no longer chasing pop and this album was different from his past works (he susceeded, imo). So I was a bit surprised when he went for pop only yet again. I guess that is where his heart is even when his music shows so much more and many songs could have fit in other categories. Pop is tough even on a major and being Indie makes it pretty much impossible. But indies and those who don't sell a lot, or have heavy radio play, seem to do much better and have more chances if they go for something other than pop. Serious work is looked at more favorably and not just how much it sells or streams. But Velvet was a great album in any event. But I doubt Adam was expecting a nomination in the pop category. I think even the Weeknd was shut out cause there are so many in that group. I will be more than happy when his other projects are revealed and he can hit the road again.
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Post by taumbu on Nov 24, 2020 18:52:32 GMT -5
Oops! Yes, the Disney thing is on Monday the 30th. My mistake. Looking forward to it. I am once again disappointed that Adam did not get a Grammy nom. Yet others will no better music or talent get lots of noms. Everyone suffered from the COVID effect this year. No one got to tour or do the same kind of promo. I just don't understand why Adam doesn't get the attention he deserves. He sure gets respect for his own voice and for QAL. His own music is as good as anybody's. But I know we've said this all a million times. Doesn't change a thing. I'd like to believe that if Velvet had gotten more exposure and play, he might have had a shot. Noms can be almost as big a boost as a win. Brittney Howard will benefit from those noms even if she doesn't win. Good luck to her. Adam has other things that are coming up next year: animated film, etc. Shosh has hinted at other things, too. Gotta say, Adam's fans are loyal and true. I know it is really depressing that Adam is not being recognized at the Grammys. But he is being recognized in the industry in other ways. He just doesn’t have that one big hit that seems to be so important for a Grammy nomination. Someone once said to me “we don’t support artists in our country we support celebrity.” Adam is an artist.
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Post by taumbu on Nov 24, 2020 18:58:51 GMT -5
I didn’t mean to imply the musicians nominated for Grammies are not artists. They are. But Adam can’t be put in a box. He can sing so many different genres in music brilliantly. That can confuse people “where “ he belongs. JMO.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Nov 24, 2020 20:03:54 GMT -5
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Post by cleopatra on Nov 24, 2020 20:19:12 GMT -5
I think it's inarguable that "Velvet" needed to be in a less competitive genre category to earn a Grammy nomination. No room for debate at all, IMO. But honestly, I don't know what other category it would really fit into. It has elements of several genres, but not enough of any one to easily fit into one of those niche slots. "Pop" doesn't just refer to pure CHR-type music - it's more wide-ranging than that - although that's the type of music to dominate the category due to its huge commercial impact. Maybe individual tracks could have fit into a different genre category, but none really got much of a push except for "Superpower", and I can't see Adam submitting album tracks that had no real life outside the album. As an entire project, "Velvet" isn't rock. It's not R&B. It's not what I think of as alt rock. IMO, Adam submitted it in Pop because that's really what it is, with its synthesis of different types of popular music. It would be interesting to see what would happen if Adam were to ever put out an album that could plausibly be submitted in a more niche, less commercially-driven genre, because I do think Adam is both respected and well-liked in the industry.
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Post by lurleene on Nov 24, 2020 22:22:03 GMT -5
I think it's inarguable that "Velvet" needed to be in a less competitive genre category to earn a Grammy nomination. No room for debate at all, IMO. But honestly, I don't know what other category it would really fit into. It has elements of several genres, but not enough of any one to easily fit into one of those niche slots. "Pop" doesn't just refer to pure CHR-type music - it's more wide-ranging than that - although that's the type of music to dominate the category due to its huge commercial impact. Maybe individual tracks could have fit into a different genre category, but none really got much of a push except for "Superpower", and I can't see Adam submitting album tracks that had no real life outside the album. As an entire project, "Velvet" isn't rock. It's not R&B. It's not what I think of as alt rock. IMO, Adam submitted it in Pop because that's really what it is, with its synthesis of different types of popular music. It would be interesting to see what would happen if Adam were to ever put out an album that could plausibly be submitted in a more niche, less commercially-driven genre, because I do think Adam is both respected and well-liked in the industry. I agree. Billie Eilish has won awards on various award shows and received nominations in pop, alt, and rock. Does she really fit better? So have many others. Not sure why there is such a purity test for Adam and only one box for him. And everyone does not view his work as all pure pop. I don't and many of the critic reviews did not either. They said as much and do they all know less than fans? But it matters little, if you don't submit there is no chance of being recognized. And if he only submits to pop NO chances there either. Adam himself said he liked to mix genres and didn't like being put in a box. I do wonder tho when he has tried for radio, did he/team ever try to get on other formats?
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Post by cleopatra on Nov 24, 2020 22:53:08 GMT -5
Billie Eilish has won awards on various award shows and received nominations in pop, alt, and rock. Does she really fit better? So have many others. Not sure why there is such a purity test for Adam and only one box for him. And everyone does not view his work as all pure pop. I don't and many of the critic reviews did not either. They said as much and do they all know less than fans? But it matters little, if you don't submit there is no chance of being recognized. And if he only submits to pop NO chances there either. Adam himself said he liked to mix genres and didn't like being put in a box. I do wonder tho when he has tried for radio, did he/team ever try to get on other formats? I don't know what "pure pop" is - like I said, pop is more than just the usual Top 40 fare, even if that's what tends to get the nominations (although even "the usual top 40 fare" has quite a bit of variety) - but in any event, I don't recall seeing Adam and his team push "Velvet" or its individual songs to any genre other than pop (for radio purposes, HAC) - not with streaming playlists, not with radio, not with any kind of press. So any "purity test," as it were, seems to stem from them, and I would say their opinion carries more weight than that of fans. Billie Eilish, who has a Midas touch these days, has the clout, the track record and the resources to push her material to different genres, and apparently does, so it makes sense that she has the opportunity to get recognized in multiple categories. As far as I know, Adam has never done that. Adam may not be "put in a box" as far as influences in his music, but as far as marketing is concerned, he and his team have pretty much limited themselves to the pop "box." It may be reasonable to ask why that's the case, but as long as it is, there's not much point in wondering why he doesn't get opportunities in other genres - as you've acknowledged. ETA: Maybe an exception is in dance-related playlists, I'm not sure. I know in the past Adam has had songs and remixes chart in Dance, but don't recall if that happened with any of the "Velvet" songs.
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