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Post by girldrummer on Apr 27, 2021 12:36:00 GMT -5
Thanks for all those Idol reminders, guys. I do remember when the top ten group was whittling down and Adam somehow wound up in the group that could be cut. Simon spoke to the voting audience and said, para-phrasing, "If you want Adam to stay, you have to vote for him!" It seems like he felt that the voters were getting lazy and were just assuming that Adam would keep going. Maybe that was true. Anyway, Adam did survive and kept moving on. I have never heard Simon say that about any other contestant. If he did, I'm not aware of it. It was a pretty blatant plea for votes for Adam. No way should Adam have been cut before the final round. The producers and judges must have felt the same way. I think Adam was a big draw.
I agree that at the beginning the judges, etc. were not all strongly behind Adam, but as the weeks went on, it became clear that he deserved to be there up to the very end.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Apr 27, 2021 13:19:33 GMT -5
Agree. I think someone was trying to take credit for Adam after the fact, lol. I can't imagine they would allow a new judge, who had yet to be seen by the public, have a say in who makes the show. Besides Danny Noriego had been on the show the year before with his rolling of the eyes and head snapping and sassing Simon. True Simon did not care for him (but never tried to destroy him) but he did not care for a lot of people on the show. Adam looked and presented himself as any other contestant that year. Just better. I also heard the story that producers were told to look out for Adam because he was so good and they wanted him on the show. Besides joke contestants were a big thing back then and Simon and producers had no problem with the ridicule. I disagree! In the audition Kara was very impressed with Adam. She was the one getting onto Simon about his hesitancy towards Adam. And Kara was the one giving Adam good actionable feedback during the Hollywood round. Adam has mentioned several times how that was really helpful to him. |
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Post by taumbu on Apr 27, 2021 14:02:34 GMT -5
Agree. I think someone was trying to take credit for Adam after the fact, lol. I can't imagine they would allow a new judge, who had yet to be seen by the public, have a say in who makes the show. Besides Danny Noriego had been on the show the year before with his rolling of the eyes and head snapping and sassing Simon. True Simon did not care for him (but never tried to destroy him) but he did not care for a lot of people on the show. Adam looked and presented himself as any other contestant that year. Just better. I also heard the story that producers were told to look out for Adam because he was so good and they wanted him on the show. Besides joke contestants were a big thing back then and Simon and producers had no problem with the ridicule. I disagree! In the audition Kara was very impressed with Adam. She was the one getting onto Simon about his hesitancy towards Adam. And Kara was the one giving Adam good actionable feedback during the Hollywood round. Adam has mentioned several times how that was really helpful to him. I remember it that way too. Simon was hesitant because Adam was too “theatrical “and Kara said to him....” but can he sing?” And I also remember when Kara gave Adam coaching about being too flamboyant and not connecting enough with his audience. Which I think was a positive turning point for him on the show. |
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Post by melliemom on Apr 27, 2021 14:06:01 GMT -5
What a GREAT article about Adam's voice.. I agree with everything said.. Just as Brian and Roger have called Adam one of the greatest singers of today, if not the best singer, It is just wonderful to be seeing this for all who read OUT to see.Someday he will be showered with praise and awards.I'm surprised more folks haven't commented on this piece/ |
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Post by girldrummer on Apr 27, 2021 14:45:21 GMT -5
melliemom, I agree 100%! This article is an Adam fan's dream. Great comments and links are right there to see and hear the performances. Great spot to use as a "demo" when you want to show someone unfamiliar with Adam what all the fuss is about.
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Post by cleopatra on Apr 27, 2021 15:17:58 GMT -5
I disagree! In the audition Kara was very impressed with Adam. She was the one getting onto Simon about his hesitancy towards Adam. And Kara was the one giving Adam good actionable feedback during the Hollywood round. Adam has mentioned several times how that was really helpful to him. I remember it that way too. Simon was hesitant because Adam was too “theatrical “and Kara said to him....” but can he sing?” And I also remember when Kara gave Adam coaching about being too flamboyant and not connecting enough with his audience. Which I think was a positive turning point for him on the show. I don't argue with any of that, but it really doesn't contradict how I saw things. Yes, Kara got onto Simon because she thought Adam had a good voice (and, IMO, also because she wanted to establish herself as someone with opinions she wanted taken seriously who would stand up to Simon). And yes, she gave Adam valuable feedback, which he has acknowledged. But I still don't think she was as sold on Adam in the beginning as Randy (who commented on how current Adam was and how it was time for someone like him), or Paula ("He's the best we've seen in every city"). And I definitely don't think Idol would have given a damn about Simon "destroying" anyone, if it was someone the show wanted - for whatever reason. Adam got a respectful edit right from the start; IMO the show definitely wanted him there. I just don't think he would have been cut but for Kara's intervention. |
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Post by ladyM :) on Apr 27, 2021 15:33:22 GMT -5
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Post by lurleene on Apr 27, 2021 15:43:04 GMT -5
Agree. I think someone was trying to take credit for Adam after the fact, lol. I can't imagine they would allow a new judge, who had yet to be seen by the public, have a say in who makes the show. Besides Danny Noriego had been on the show the year before with his rolling of the eyes and head snapping and sassing Simon. True Simon did not care for him (but never tried to destroy him) but he did not care for a lot of people on the show. Adam looked and presented himself as any other contestant that year. Just better. I also heard the story that producers were told to look out for Adam because he was so good and they wanted him on the show. Besides joke contestants were a big thing back then and Simon and producers had no problem with the ridicule. I disagree! In the audition Kara was very impressed with Adam. She was the one getting onto Simon about his hesitancy towards Adam. And Kara was the one giving Adam good actionable feedback during the Hollywood round. Adam has mentioned several times how that was really helpful to him. I don't think we are talking about the same thing. Yes in the audition Kara gave some positive feedback and all four judges voted Adam thru. I was doubting her claim that she talked the producers into getting Adam on the show. She was brand new so why would she have a say behind the scene on casting? I call BS on that but it is only my opinion, lol. They wanted Adam on the show and they were going to put him thru. |
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Post by pi on Apr 27, 2021 16:37:38 GMT -5
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Apr 27, 2021 17:25:50 GMT -5
I remember it that way too. Simon was hesitant because Adam was too “theatrical “and Kara said to him....” but can he sing?” And I also remember when Kara gave Adam coaching about being too flamboyant and not connecting enough with his audience. Which I think was a positive turning point for him on the show. I don't argue with any of that, but it really doesn't contradict how I saw things. Yes, Kara got onto Simon because she thought Adam had a good voice (and, IMO, also because she wanted to establish herself as someone with opinions she wanted taken seriously who would stand up to Simon). And yes, she gave Adam valuable feedback, which he has acknowledged. But I still don't think she was as sold on Adam in the beginning as Randy (who commented on how current Adam was and how it was time for someone like him), or Paula ("He's the best we've seen in every city"). And I definitely don't think Idol would have given a damn about Simon "destroying" anyone, if it was someone the show wanted - for whatever reason. Adam got a respectful edit right from the start; IMO the show definitely wanted him there. I just don't think he would have been cut but for Kara's intervention. Let's not forget that the Idol contestants go through multiple rounds of auditions before they are ever put in front of the judges for the judges audition round. This includes a round where the contestants are shown singing on a TV and the producers round. The purpose is to find contestants that are both good singers and show well for the "entertainment" purposes of TV. They turn away many, many good singers because they think they are not the best suited for the "entertainment" purposes of the show. (And how many of the producers even know really good singing from ok singing?) They also let a number of bad singers through for the "entertainment" purposes of the judges dismissing bad singers. The primarily purpose of the show, even above finding an American Idol, is TV "entertainment" that makes people want to tune in and watch. So they have to pass the producers audition before they are allowed to go on to the judges audition.
As Kara explains, starting around 47 min in the video, as the new judge that season just learning about the show, she was involved with the preliminary rounds of audition. At first she was involved with the TV audition round, but she didn't like judging in a non-personal format. So they moved her to judging during the producers round. That is where Adam had some "funny eye" thing and where she argued with the producers to let Adam go through to the judges audition because he was such a great singer that they had to have him! She was saying that if she had not fought for Adam in the producers audition round, he would have not made it through to the judges audition round. It would not have been because of the singing, but because of something else the producers were uneasy about.
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