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Post by Craazyforadam on Dec 22, 2011 0:01:48 GMT -5
Sooo... Can I assumed that RCA has been a slacker and has not submitted WWFM for Platinum certification? What about FYE??? Is it possible that the shippment of FYE haven't reached 1mil yet? After pondering on it Adamme I think RCAEd said they know Adam reached Platinum but never submitted it to be certified because it would just be a waste to have a shiny plaque when the money can be used for other things. FYE album has shipped platinum abroad but it's stalled out at 830K here. I think that at least for WWFM that platinum certification thing has changed. This RCA pitch to radio clearly states that WWFM is certified platinum in both US and CA. bit.ly/u7eKdWThis link was also posted on page 1 in yesterday's thread. RCA would not write that, if they could not back that up with facts. So whether RIAA has an outdated web-page or whether RCA has in fact requested certification, but wants to use some idol or other TV event to make that information public, I don't know. But it is pretty safe to say that WWFM has been certified, if RCA says so. I presume that RCA assumed that a sales pitch document that is sent out internally to all radio stations would normally not be seen by J.Q.Public. And truth be told, for most people outside the AL or AI bubble it will still be a surprise, because they are not reading Toby Knapp's twitter messages. WWFM has been above 1.4 million copies for a long time, so it is platinum since ages, just the certification process was never started and obviously RCA and their Executive Producer for 'Trespassing' must have changed things now that a new marketing cycle is starting. While we are on this RCA sales pitch document, Impact date (1/30/12) and official add date are not the same thing, as far as I understand it. Read that a few times yesterday - nope it is not the same. Impact date is the date where the add is expected to make the highest impact, but radio stations can add sooner or later. I always think of radio adds spread out like a bell curve and then the impact date is where you would predict your maximum of adds per add-date to be reached, because most stations will want to add when they can assume to have the biggest impact. The label is telling radio where it will cluster its biggest "noise level" as far as TV, advertising, interviews, and other promotional activities are concerned and they will ramp up towards that date and slowly fizzle out after that date. That is at least how I understand this whole thing...but the pro's on this site will probably be able to straighten all that terminology out for us. ETA: had been wondering why nobody was sqeeeing about that Platinum Certification info here on this site, but then just assumed, everyone thought it was nothing special for WWFM, which in principle is true. |
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Post by rihannsu on Dec 22, 2011 0:19:48 GMT -5
After pondering on it Adamme I think RCAEd said they know Adam reached Platinum but never submitted it to be certified because it would just be a waste to have a shiny plaque when the money can be used for other things. FYE album has shipped platinum abroad but it's stalled out at 830K here. I think that at least for WWFM that platinum certification thing has changed. This RCA pitch to radio clearly states that WWFM is certified platinum in both US and CA. bit.ly/u7eKdWThis link was also posted on page 1 in yesterday's thread. RCA would not write that, if they could not back that up with facts. So whether RIAA has an outdated web-page or whether RCA has in fact requested certification, but wants to use some idol or other TV event to make that information public, I don't know. But it is pretty safe to say that WWFM has been certified, if RCA says so. I presume that RCA assumed that a sales pitch document that is sent out internally to all radio stations would normally not be seen by J.Q.Public. And truth be told, for most people outside the AL or AI bubble it will still be a surprise, because they are not reading Toby Knapp's twitter messages. WWFM has been above 1.4 million copies for a long time, so it is platinum since ages, just the certification process was never started and obviously RCA and their Executive Producer for 'Trespassing' must have changed things now that a new marketing cycle is starting. While we are on this RCA sales pitch document, Impact date (1/30/12) and official add date are not the same thing, as far as I understand it. Read that a few times yesterday - nope it is not the same. Impact date is the date where the add is expected to make the highest impact, but radio stations can add sooner or later. I always think of radio adds spread out like a bell curve and then the impact date is where you would predict your maximum of adds per add-date to be reached, because most stations will want to add when they can assume to have the biggest impact. The label is telling radio where it will cluster its biggest "noise level" as far as TV, advertising, interviews, and other promotional activities are concerned and they will ramp up towards that date and slowly fizzle out after that date. That is at least how I understand this whole thing...but the pro's on this site will probably be able to straighten all that terminology out for us. ETA: had been wondering why nobody was sqeeeing about that Platinum Certification info here on this site, but then just assumed, everyone thought it was nothing special for WWFM, which in principle is true. No the impact date is the same as the add date but not the same as the release or serviced to radio date. BTIKM was serviced or released to radio on 12/20. It has an impact or add date of 1/23 for HAC stations and 1/30 for CHR(top40) stations. Yes radio can start spinning and add at any time once the song is serviced to radio but they hope for the majority of adds to come in around the add or impact date. The reason that WWFM did not get higher than it did was because the adds were so strung out that by the time the last stations were adding the early adopters were already reducing spins. Ideally you want max spins to be occurring on as many stations as possible in the same time frame for the song to climb the highest on the charts. By the time the Cumulus group finally added WWFM and started spinning it the big market early adopters like Z100 and Q102 which account for large audience impressions were taking it out of power rotation and reducing spins so that even though there were more stations spinning the song, the individual spin counts were less so the overall total spins did not increase enough to advance the song higher. |
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Post by Q3 on Dec 22, 2011 0:30:40 GMT -5
RIAA database is not outdated. WWFM is NOT RIAA certified Platinum. But they could do it at any time. So that must be an error on the promo flyer.
Adam has one RIAA certification -- Gold for FYE.
"Impact date (1/30/12) and official add date are not the same thing, as far as I understand it. Read that a few times yesterday - nope it is not the same."
Here are some definitions......
A track has a radio release date -- and radio stations can play the track and add it to their playlists any time on or after that date.
"The impact date" is when the label believes a playlist add will have the most impact -- and is usually tied to other promotional activities.The expression "RCA is going for adds on 1/20/12...." and incorrect use of the term "add date" by fans has made it a bit confusing.
"The add date" is the date that a station adds a song to its playlist.
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Post by stardust on Dec 22, 2011 0:36:59 GMT -5
After pondering on it Adamme I think RCAEd said they know Adam reached Platinum but never submitted it to be certified because it would just be a waste to have a shiny plaque when the money can be used for other things. FYE album has shipped platinum abroad but it's stalled out at 830K here. I think that at least for WWFM that platinum certification thing has changed. This RCA pitch to radio clearly states that WWFM is certified platinum in both US and CA. bit.ly/u7eKdWThis link was also posted on page 1 in yesterday's thread. RCA would not write that, if they could not back that up with facts. So whether RIAA has an outdated web-page or whether RCA has in fact requested certification, but wants to use some idol or other TV event to make that information public, I don't know. But it is pretty safe to say that WWFM has been certified, if RCA says so. I presume that RCA assumed that a sales pitch document that is sent out internally to all radio stations would normally not be seen by J.Q.Public. And truth be told, for most people outside the AL or AI bubble it will still be a surprise, because they are not reading Toby Knapp's twitter messages. WWFM has been above 1.4 million copies for a long time, so it is platinum since ages, just the certification process was never started and obviously RCA and their Executive Producer for 'Trespassing' must have changed things now that a new marketing cycle is starting. While we are on this RCA sales pitch document, Impact date (1/30/12) and official add date are not the same thing, as far as I understand it. Read that a few times yesterday - nope it is not the same. Impact date is the date where the add is expected to make the highest impact, but radio stations can add sooner or later. I always think of radio adds spread out like a bell curve and then the impact date is where you would predict your maximum of adds per add-date to be reached, because most stations will want to add when they can assume to have the biggest impact. The label is telling radio where it will cluster its biggest "noise level" as far as TV, advertising, interviews, and other promotional activities are concerned and they will ramp up towards that date and slowly fizzle out after that date. That is at least how I understand this whole thing...but the pro's on this site will probably be able to straighten all that terminology out for us. ETA: had been wondering why nobody was sqeeeing about that Platinum Certification info here on this site, but then just assumed, everyone thought it was nothing special for WWFM, which in principle is true. Last numbers I have for WWFM: Album version Whataya Want From Me Total (1,788,000) week of 8/05/2011 *THESE TOTALS DO NOT INCLUDE SALES OF REMIXES. Read more: atop.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=numbers&action=display&thread=14#ixzz1hEsLJgFo |
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Post by adamme on Dec 22, 2011 0:54:58 GMT -5
I think that at least for WWFM that platinum certification thing has changed. This RCA pitch to radio clearly states that WWFM is certified platinum in both US and CA. bit.ly/u7eKdWThis link was also posted on page 1 in yesterday's thread. RCA would not write that, if they could not back that up with facts. So whether RIAA has an outdated web-page or whether RCA has in fact requested certification, but wants to use some idol or other TV event to make that information public, I don't know. But it is pretty safe to say that WWFM has been certified, if RCA says so. I presume that RCA assumed that a sales pitch document that is sent out internally to all radio stations would normally not be seen by J.Q.Public. And truth be told, for most people outside the AL or AI bubble it will still be a surprise, because they are not reading Toby Knapp's twitter messages. WWFM has been above 1.4 million copies for a long time, so it is platinum since ages, just the certification process was never started and obviously RCA and their Executive Producer for 'Trespassing' must have changed things now that a new marketing cycle is starting. While we are on this RCA sales pitch document, Impact date (1/30/12) and official add date are not the same thing, as far as I understand it. Read that a few times yesterday - nope it is not the same. Impact date is the date where the add is expected to make the highest impact, but radio stations can add sooner or later. I always think of radio adds spread out like a bell curve and then the impact date is where you would predict your maximum of adds per add-date to be reached, because most stations will want to add when they can assume to have the biggest impact. The label is telling radio where it will cluster its biggest "noise level" as far as TV, advertising, interviews, and other promotional activities are concerned and they will ramp up towards that date and slowly fizzle out after that date. That is at least how I understand this whole thing...but the pro's on this site will probably be able to straighten all that terminology out for us. ETA: had been wondering why nobody was sqeeeing about that Platinum Certification info here on this site, but then just assumed, everyone thought it was nothing special for WWFM, which in principle is true. Last numbers I have for WWFM: Album version Whataya Want From Me Total (1,788,000) week of 8/05/2011 *THESE TOTALS DO NOT INCLUDE SALES OF REMIXES. Read more: atop.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=numbers&action=display&thread=14#ixzz1hEsLJgFoSo we can expect it will reach 2mil by the time Trespassing's released? |
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Post by pi on Dec 22, 2011 0:55:12 GMT -5
So odd. ??? I'm checking on 97.3 song history for today to see when they played BTIKM, and I don't see it listed anywhere for today. radioalice.radio.com/playlist |
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Post by rihannsu on Dec 22, 2011 0:56:33 GMT -5
RIAA database is not outdated. WWFM is NOT RIAA certified Platinum. But they could do it at any time. So that must be an error on the promo flyer. Adam has one RIAA certification -- Gold for FYE. "Impact date (1/30/12) and official add date are not the same thing, as far as I understand it. Read that a few times yesterday - nope it is not the same." Here are some definitions...... A track has a radio release date -- and radio stations can play the track and add it to their playlists any time on or after that date. "The impact date" is when the label believes a playlist add will have the most impact -- and is usually tied to other promotional activities.The expression "RCA is going for adds on 1/20/12...." and incorrect use of the term "add date" by fans has made it a bit confusing. "The add date" is the date that a station adds a song to its playlist. Ok I was going by what was used on Pulse and elsewhere when saying the adds date for the song was such and such. Of course I understand that the add date for a particular station is the date they actually added it. I never saw impact date used until just recently as all the boards I've read have just called it the adds date when they were talking about the dates published on all access and such for expected adds. Thank you for correcting the terminology. |
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Post by NoAngel on Dec 22, 2011 1:01:45 GMT -5
:D So odd. ??? I'm checking on 97.3 song history for today to see when they played BTIKM, and I don't see it listed anywhere for today. radioalice.radio.com/playlistYeah, i noticed that also. When someone mentioned that the station had played it several times today and would probably play it again soon, I tuned in, and then it played shortly afterwards. But i couldn't find it listed on their song history. Maybe they only list officially added songs? IDK. But a couple of other Bay Area berts heard it at the same time I did :D |
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Post by tippytoes on Dec 22, 2011 1:02:05 GMT -5
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Post by seoulmate on Dec 22, 2011 1:02:58 GMT -5
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