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Post by is500 on Dec 22, 2011 13:16:14 GMT -5
Did Adam want this to happen? I doubt so.
When he made mistakes again, I'll be here to support him.
We are only human.
4Msrmyn, LOL and totally agreed with you.
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Post by hoopla1 on Dec 22, 2011 13:17:59 GMT -5
You can love someone, faults and all, and still acknowledge that what they did was idiotic and stupid. That's not making a judgment, that's just stating the obvious IMO LOL, Wonderstruck, the key is your statement that "That's not making a judgment" is just an opinion, too. "Idiotic" and "stupid" do not represent how I feel about a situation I only read about second-hand. And like NoAngel and many others, I do not assume Adam has a drinking problem. I was happy to wake up to Adam's tweet first thing this morning. We'll all have our own opinions, but it really does seem that this is not an incident that will hurt him. He's a smart cookie, if he needs to learn a lesson, he will, and I'm here for the duration. Unconditional love, for sure! :D |
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Post by lifetraveler on Dec 22, 2011 13:20:03 GMT -5
Guys. Just so ya know--two reported incidents of bad drunken behavior where the details are fuzzy at best (and one was solely reported by a known shit stirrer) does not constitute having an alcohol problem. Yeah that kinda behavior is dumb as shit but it doesn't mean he is an alcoholic. I know lots of people who have done stupid shit when drunk--myself included--and none of us are alkies. Let's save our worrying in case he actually does have a problem down the road...so far it just seems to me like a good time gone bad and compounded by dumb decisions. We have all had nights like those...we just never had to live em out in the public eye. Agreed. He's not an alcoholic, that's for sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 13:23:27 GMT -5
Anybody else think Adam's chose to use the word "blackout" purely so he doesn't have explain what happened over and over? Because I 100% do  Either that or he doesn't remember what happened. ;D In Adam's tradition he is being up front and brutally honest. |
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Post by Jablea on Dec 22, 2011 13:24:01 GMT -5
lol, now that's a sense of humor. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 13:24:08 GMT -5
Guys. Just so ya know--two reported incidents of bad drunken behavior where the details are fuzzy at best (and one was solely reported by a known shit stirrer) does not constitute having an alcohol problem. Yeah that kinda behavior is dumb as shit but it doesn't mean he is an alcoholic. I know lots of people who have done stupid shit when drunk--myself included--and none of us are alkies. Let's save our worrying in case he actually does have a problem down the road...so far it just seems to me like a good time gone bad and compounded by dumb decisions. We have all had nights like those...we just never had to live em out in the public eye. here. here. |
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Post by Alison on Dec 22, 2011 13:27:23 GMT -5
I think most of us probably feel a similar sense of surprise/disappointment/embarrassment but are responding to it in different ways. Just because some of us voice our concern regarding "behavior" doesn't mean we don't believe it will all blow over and everything will be fine. I'm not a pearl clutcher, I'm just an observer and I would have the same response to the average joe or friend/family in this situation.
I just tend to avoid drama and have never been one to frequent bars much. I just don't understand the appeal at any age. So I think I am reacting less to the result of "the behavior" than to the interest in it to begin with. I have always prefered a fun evening (with spirits--I love wine, etc) with family and friends in a more intimate environment/home setting. But Adam prefers the clubs, who am I to criticize that, but I still don't understand it.
The only point of view I have been unable to find any agreement with is the "win/all publicity is good publicity."
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Post by Jablea on Dec 22, 2011 13:27:26 GMT -5
Hi everyone. Lotta feelings today, I see! As for me...I saw the news on another board early this morning, and I actually haven't had a chance yet to read the whole thread...so there may be more information available than I am aware of...but these were my reactions at 6:00 am today, in this order: 1) Holy Shit! LOLLLLL!!! That's too funny, omg really??? LOL 2) Adam, that was really, really stupid. Way to pay back the hospitality that Finland has shown you. 3) Christmas is in two days. Most of the world isn't going to care about this soon. 4) There is really no such thing as bad press. As nasty as this is, it isn't going to hurt Adam's sales in the US at all...and if anything just adds to the "bad boy" reputation the media has given him. Deserved or no. Disgusting or no. It's not going to hurt, and might even help. Eh. Ever since the AMAs I have been totally zen about Adam. I simply don't agonize about everything anymore. I think he used very bad judgement and he should be ashamed of himself. I hope he apologizes publicly in some way (and forgive me if he already has). But that's all, really, it's easy for me to move on. I still adore the guy, and I'm not going to hold this against him, and I'm not going to angst about it. (And I'm still kind of LOLing, tbh. But again, I want to stress that I haven't read the whole thread...there may be more info I'm not aware of yet, my feelings on the topic could totally change!) ETA: I feel like I should also add that IMO Adam is an adult, responsible for his own choices and their consequences. I'm not going to defend or exuse what amounts to a really stupid choice on his part, but neither do I feel the need to overly condemn him. Or Sauli for that matter. You make your mistakes, and you take your lumps and learn, and move on. It's unfortunate that all Adam's mistakes are widely reported in the media, but that's simply a fact of his life now. Now...MY LOCAL HAC STATION IS PLAYING BTIKM!!!!!! Yay!!!!!!!!!! Imagine me as a cat hugging this post |
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Post by hoopla1 on Dec 22, 2011 13:28:18 GMT -5
YOU ARE QUACKING ME UP--TOTALLY! ;D (I have noticed your dry sense of humor many times and not had time to comment. Add wiseass to master archivist on your list of talents--IMO.) AND GELLY, I LOVE YOU, CONGRATS ON YOUR NEW TITLE AND PLEASE, PLEASE, KNOW I AM CARRYING YOU IN MY HEART RIGHT NOW. :-/ |
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Post by hoopla1 on Dec 22, 2011 13:30:34 GMT -5
I am only on page 20, so maybe I should read all the way before posting, but I am really upset at the assumption by some here that there really was "hitting" and "violence" ... just because the term "assault" was used doesn't mean that there were fisticuffs and violence. The term assault can be used to describe just a "threat" of violence, such as raising a hand while using harsh language. Assault can also be just reaching out to hold someone back, or pushing someone away who is trying to explain or comfort. It would be "assault and battery" if there was real physical violence involved. How about this scenario: Either A or S says something that causes the other to be hurt, sad, whatever. There is an attempt to make a physical contact, to explain, that is shrugged off with a "leave me alone" gesture (which might be just a small push or shove away). This causes more hurt/anger which gets noisy, causing the club to ask them to leave. The argument continues outside. Again, the attempt at physical conciliatory contact is pushed away ... voila, we have "hitting and violence" being reported in the news when, in fact, it was a small lovers' quarrel that would have been settled in the taxi back to the hotel if bystanders and the police hadn't gotten involved. I am not saying we should make excuses for bad behavior; I am saying we should not assume that the behavior is as bad as the gossip rags and other news media are reporting. It was reported that Sauli went to the "drunk tank" but Adam was only in jail. Maybe he wasn't actually drunk? Maybe the tears were exhaustion? I am just sad that there are some here who have jumped on the worst case scenario instead of assuming innocent until proven guilty.  THANK YOU FOR SAYING EVERYTHING I'M THINKING SO PERFECTLY. |
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