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Post by rama on Dec 22, 2011 12:59:41 GMT -5
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Dec 22, 2011 13:02:20 GMT -5
well in that case I'm late to the party too since I've never been arrested and I'm 43. Let me go get drunk so I can catch up on the latest trends. :  well, I haven't been arrested or even drunk, but that doesn't change the fact one iota that I love Adam and I support him and he won't get any preaching or holier than thou from me. Don't think he needs that at this point. I'm just sad that this happened.  |
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Post by satisfied on Dec 22, 2011 13:03:21 GMT -5
In light of today's news, and as a frequent lurker, I've decided I've been riding this roller coaster alone for too long. "Hello, my name is Cat, and I'm an Adam fan." Hello Cat! (That's the traditional response, right?) |
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Post by wal on Dec 22, 2011 13:04:52 GMT -5
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Post by justkaren on Dec 22, 2011 13:05:54 GMT -5
I am only on page 20, so maybe I should read all the way before posting, but I am really upset at the assumption by some here that there really was "hitting" and "violence" ... just because the term "assault" was used doesn't mean that there were fisticuffs and violence. The term assault can be used to describe just a "threat" of violence, such as raising a hand while using harsh language. Assault can also be just reaching out to hold someone back, or pushing someone away who is trying to explain or comfort. It would be "assault and battery" if there was real physical violence involved. How about this scenario: Either A or S says something that causes the other to be hurt, sad, whatever. There is an attempt to make a physical contact, to explain, that is shrugged off with a "leave me alone" gesture (which might be just a small push or shove away). This causes more hurt/anger which gets noisy, causing the club to ask them to leave. The argument continues outside. Again, the attempt at physical conciliatory contact is pushed away ... voila, we have "hitting and violence" being reported in the news when, in fact, it was a small lovers' quarrel that would have been settled in the taxi back to the hotel if bystanders and the police hadn't gotten involved. I am not saying we should make excuses for bad behavior; I am saying we should not assume that the behavior is as bad as the gossip rags and other news media are reporting. It was reported that Sauli went to the "drunk tank" but Adam was only in jail. Maybe he wasn't actually drunk? Maybe the tears were exhaustion? I am just sad that there are some here who have jumped on the worst case scenario instead of assuming innocent until proven guilty. |
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Post by murly on Dec 22, 2011 13:06:22 GMT -5
well in that case I'm late to the party too since I've never been arrested and I'm 43. Let me go get drunk so I can catch up on the latest trends. : I am not saying that getting arrested is a good thing. Only that it's not that unusual, and therefore most people are not going to be horrified by it. Chances are good that they, or someone they know, has been arrested. Not all arrests are created equal. A scuffle is not an armed robbery or a deadly assault. |
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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Dec 22, 2011 13:10:57 GMT -5
Guys. Just so ya know--two reported incidents of bad drunken behavior where the details are fuzzy at best (and one was solely reported by a known shit stirrer) does not constitute having an alcohol problem. Yeah that kinda behavior is dumb as shit but it doesn't mean he is an alcoholic. I know lots of people who have done stupid shit when drunk--myself included--and none of us are alkies. Let's save our worrying in case he actually does have a problem down the road...so far it just seems to me like a good time gone bad and compounded by dumb decisions. We have all had nights like those...we just never had to live em out in the public eye.
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Post by burrito on Dec 22, 2011 13:12:25 GMT -5
I'm really curious why the club felt the need to call the police. From all accounts it sounds like the bouncer could have easily taken care of it. I wonder why they didn't just handle it on their own?
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Post by wonderstruck on Dec 22, 2011 13:14:06 GMT -5
well in that case I'm late to the party too since I've never been arrested and I'm 43. Let me go get drunk so I can catch up on the latest trends. : well, I haven't been arrested either, but that doesn't change one iota that I love Adam and I support him and he won't get any preaching or holier than thou from me. Don't think he needs that at this point. I'm just sad that this happened. I don't agree with Adam's behavior nor do I agree with societies tendency to excuse or glorify that type of behavior. that doesn't mean I'm preaching or holier than thou(ing) Adam. As much as I admire and adore Adam (and still fully support btw) I am willing to see this for what it is and acknowledge that he made a mistake. Ignoring it or acting as if it's no big deal doesn't help anyone, least of all Adam. |
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Post by savvy92 on Dec 22, 2011 13:15:09 GMT -5
I was in the shower, trying to wash away the dismay of this morning's posts, when I remembered a funny story. The very first time I met the guy who is now my bff(1996) , he had stormed into our office, my first day, and was half laughing/half crying that he had a fight with his partner and shoved him into the bath tub in anger. Everyone was consoling him then forcing him to go home and rectify things (it was Key West, no one lived more than a mile or so away.) He did and that was the last I heard of it. They celebrated their 30th anniversary together last July. I have stayed with them for a week at a time and it warms my heart to see them as a couple.
I called X (as opposed to Y) when I got out of the tub and gave him a rundown of what was going on. First of all, he said they have never had a physical altercation since, nor before, and when they talked about it they realized boys are taught never to hit a girl, but when you're angry at another guy, sometimes you don't think. His conclusion, which I choose to hold close to my heart, is that if Adam and Sauli love one another, they will kiss and make up and short of the embarrassment of it being worldwide news, things will get back to normal.
That's why he's my bff, he always says the right thing. I'll call Y later and see his take, and what he thought of being the pushee as opposed to being the pusher. Ha, Ha.
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