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Post by svca on Aug 22, 2021 8:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by svca on Aug 22, 2021 8:17:12 GMT -5
Well here in NZ after nearly 200 days of zero covid. Our government locked down our entire country after one Delta case. Which we were mocked for abroad. But it has now blown out to 21 community cases. Experts say without the sharp level 4 lockdown. Would of seen hundreds of cases. So I can’t imagine having a concert for 60k. When Delta is so rampant. You in New Zealand, absolutely, have the best Prime Minister any country could have. People the world over are jealous...or should be...of you. Good on you for electing her! I agree. I wish some of the idiot governors and citizens of the US would follow suit. Instead we have hospitals overflowing and adults and kids dying by the thousands...in the name of freedom and personal choice. Oh, and taking sheep de-wormer so they can avoid the "dangers" of vaccines, and the horror of wearing a mask. We are a nation of toddlers at the moment. Stay safe, Luke! |
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Post by nightowl on Aug 22, 2021 8:51:43 GMT -5
Well here in NZ after nearly 200 days of zero covid. Our government locked down our entire country after one Delta case. Which we were mocked for abroad. But it has now blown out to 21 community cases. Experts say without the sharp level 4 lockdown. Would of seen hundreds of cases. So I can’t imagine having a concert for 60k. When Delta is so rampant. You in New Zealand, absolutely, have the best Prime Minister any country could have. People the world over are jealous...or should be...of you. Good on you for electing her! I‘m actually not jealous. Yes, NZ did really well so far. But this strategy can’t work longterm. The virus won’t go away. It’s out in the world. Will NZ isolate itself for all times? Or even for another year? With the low rate of vaccinated people in NZ that’s probably the way to go… so people are trapped in their country. |
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Post by svca on Aug 22, 2021 9:24:50 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure NZ is in the process of getting people vaccinated (I would hope), so no, I'm sure lockdown isn't a permanent solution.
But neither is the US strategy of collapsing the medical system (see also Italy last year), so there has to be a solution somewhere in the middle for living with the virus in the long term. Ignoring it, or denying its existence isn't a long term solution either.
And I agree with Q3 that large gatherings right now probably aren't a good idea. I think we were all so hopeful with the arrival of vaccines, but no one counted on so many people refusing to do the right thing.
Hubby and I have already started talking about the possibility of yet another Christmas without our normal family gathering. There are about 15 of us, all vaccinated, but I just don't know that it'll be safe. We haven't made a definite decision, still have a few months to wait and see, but I'm not too hopeful at this point.
Nightowl, how is Germany doing with the Delta variant?
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Post by nightowl on Aug 22, 2021 9:59:18 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure NZ is in the process of getting people vaccinated (I would hope), so no, I'm sure lockdown isn't a permanent solution. But neither is the US strategy of collapsing the medical system (see also Italy last year), so there has to be a solution somewhere in the middle for living with the virus in the long term. Ignoring it, or denying its existence isn't a long term solution either. And I agree with Q3 that large gatherings right now probably aren't a good idea. I think we were all so hopeful with the arrival of vaccines, but no one counted on so many people refusing to do the right thing. Hubby and I have already started talking about the possibility of yet another Christmas without our normal family gathering. There are about 15 of us, all vaccinated, but I just don't know that it'll be safe. We haven't made a definite decision, still have a few months to wait and see, but I'm not too hopeful at this point. Nightowl, how is Germany doing with the Delta variant? I think we're doing okay. The numbers of infected people had been really low at the beginning of july. But they've started growing slowly since then, due to delta and the fact, that many people traveled during the holidays and now schools are reopening after the summer. Especially for the past weeks numbers went up in some regions, because schools there are back open. But these infections are usually really mild ones or not even symptomatic. In school every child has to test itself 3x a week and everone has to wear a mask inside. Apart from that it's business as usual. This means the cases are found, even if not symptomatic. The kids (and teachers) then have to quarantine. But most people aren't ill. So the numbers are higher, but about 95% are cases of kids, teenagers and young adults, who haven't been vaccinated (yet). My family and friends are all fully vaccinated. Most things are reopening, but under Covid rules. Inside of public buildings, transport or supermarkets you've to wear a medical mask. You are only allowed to attend inside activities, if you're vaccinated, recovered from covid or tested. Numbers of people allowed in one place are still reduced (so no full football arenas or festivals/concerts). I think the plan is that from mid October onwards (when everyone had had the chance to get fully vaccinated) everything will reopen. And if you're not vaccinated, you will often need a Covid-test, which had been free for everyone till then, but then no longer. On the whole, we've today about 59% of people fully vaccinated and 66% with only one dose so far. But this second numbers is apparently wrong, because in surveys they found out that already about 80% have had at least one jab.... well, counting can be hard. And then they will start with the third jab for those vulnerable, who got vaccinated very early this year. In the end, there isn't much more you can do. For me work and life is back to normal. Apart from that FFP2 mask that I have to wear 6 hours a day at work and sometimes even after.... but there are worse things. As for NewZealand: I've read, that only about 10% have been vaccinated so far. That's why I think that their strategy won't work longterm. |
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Post by svca on Aug 22, 2021 10:04:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the update, Nightowl. I worry about my aunt and uncle who live in Bavaria. They're in their 80's and my uncle has early onset dementia, so they stay pretty much at home. Their (younger) neighbors have been really good about helping out with groceries, etc. I'm not sure if they've been vaccinated.
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Post by nightowl on Aug 22, 2021 10:20:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the update, Nightowl. I worry about my aunt and uncle who live in Bavaria. They're in their 80's and my uncle has early onset dementia, so they stay pretty much at home. Their (younger) neighbors have been really good about helping out with groceries, etc. I'm not sure if they've been vaccinated. My experience is that everyone older than 16, who wants to be vaccinated IS vaccinated. At least with the first jab. Your aunt and uncle should have been in the first group that got the vaccine in spring. Unless they refused to get it. But close to 100% of our elders are vaccinated. That’s why the infections in these age group are close to zero. If they’re also staying mostly at home, they should be fine. My parents in their 70s are back to all kinds of activities. |
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Post by curly on Aug 22, 2021 11:05:20 GMT -5
There is so much wrong information about New Zealand here. First of all, there are now 72 community cases of covid in New Zealand from this latest outbreak. They are in Auckland except for a few in Wellington so definitely not spread throughout the country. I don't believe it will get out of control as the swift Stage 4 lockdown should even stop the Delta variant. The population is overwhelmingly in favor of 0% tolerance of covid and has faith in its leadership and will comply. They like living a totally normal life within NZ but without international travel and want to get back to that normality. What happened in New South Wales was due to slack leadership and piecemeal lockdowns and it's unlikely that Australia will be able to achieve zero cases ever again.
As far as the low vaccination rate was concerned that for the most part was out of the governments control. As NZ had zero cases the international priority for vaccines sent them to other countries in need first. The government had secured a supply of Pfizer early but it was slow coming in. Now 23 % of the population is fully vaccinated and about a third have had one dose. Vaccination is open to everyone over twelve from September.
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Post by lurleene on Aug 22, 2021 11:40:55 GMT -5
Well here in NZ after nearly 200 days of zero covid. Our government locked down our entire country after one Delta case. Which we were mocked for abroad. But it has now blown out to 21 community cases. Experts say without the sharp level 4 lockdown. Would of seen hundreds of cases. So I can’t imagine having a concert for 60k. When Delta is so rampant. Good for NZ. It is probably better to have a lockdown early on instead of trying to have one when things are horribly out of control. It saves lives and easier for businesses and likely won't last as long. I wish we had had that type of leadership in the US the first time around. Things might have been different and they certainly would have been better. And it is good that the people trust their leadership in NZ. Some of the states leadership here could learn something about trying to protect the people. |
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Post by svca on Aug 22, 2021 11:50:15 GMT -5
Amen, Lurleene.
And thanks for the update, Curly. I have nothing but admiration for Jacinda in regards to Covid (don't know anything about the rest of NZ politics lol). Our lockdown last year was supposed to enable us to get a grip on the virus, and instead our "leadership" made it political to defy scientists and doctors.
And here we are.
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