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Post by girldrummer on Aug 27, 2021 12:15:55 GMT -5
Ryan Tedder makes many good points. Today's music listeners have just about any song that's ever been released at their disposal, just by a click of the screen. Classic songs are brand new to younger listeners, so they listen to those songs along with the new ones, siphoning off listening time to the new songs. Adam isn't the only one who doesn't always get the attention or airplay or radio time he deserves. It doesn't have anything to do with whether songs are "good" or not. It's just that the sheer volume of available music is so huge. There are always those artists, old or new, who manage to rise to the top. It is always be that way.
In a perfect world, Adam's voice alone would push him to the top. But, as Adam himself has said, "It's not about the voice." It's more about luck and timing and the interests of the dominant listening demographic. Adam has said that he's done worrying about Billboard ranking. If he gets a hit, that's great. But he and many many others with great voices and great music just have to write and perform what they love regardless of chart success.
It is extremely frustrating, isn't it? I think Adam has some more successful music in his future.
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Post by girldrummer on Aug 27, 2021 12:28:00 GMT -5
lurleene, looks like we were posting simultaneously. I like your points. Rock radio is very skewed. The top two or three acts get all the play and all the endless awards. Rap and hip hop and country music dominate. Adam is lucky to have gotten at least some chart success. He's worked with great people. Tedder certainly feels the frustration. There is so much music so easily available in an instant. The old, "Just work hard and you'll make it" advice is very outdated. You can work your ass off and still not break through.
I remember a line by David Letterman some years back. He was talking about the newest singing sensation of the day. He added, in his deadpan way, "Don't we already have enough singers?" He got a big laugh, but his question has relevance right now. Technology has created a instant music glut where too many artist get lost.
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Post by svca on Aug 27, 2021 12:33:14 GMT -5
lurleene, looks like we were posting simultaneously. I like your points. Rock radio is very skewed. The top two or three acts get all the play and all the endless awards. Rap and hip hop and country music dominate. Adam is lucky to have gotten at least some chart success. He's worked with great people. Tedder certainly feels the frustration. There is so much music so easily available in an instant. The old, "Just work hard and you'll make it" advice is very outdated. You can work your ass off and still not break through. I remember a line by David Letterman some years back. He was talking about the newest singing sensation of the day. He added, in his deadpan way, "Don't we already have enough singers?" He got a big laugh, but his question has relevance right now. Technology has created a instant music glut where too many artist get lost. Yep, oversaturation for sure |
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Post by nightowl on Aug 27, 2021 15:34:40 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of things that Ryan Tedder says. Somewhere else I had discussed that some time ago already. The problem is that the daily streaming is counted for the charts.
Before streaming existed, you bought your music.
And you usually buy it once and from there on you can listen to it forever. Or as long as the music device is working. This way the new acts/songs are visible in the charts. Because new music is bought much more than already existing albums. And this attracts new listeners.
With streaming today, the classics are on almost every big streaming list. Queen and others are everywhere. People love to listen to them worldwide, they have millions of streams every week. I bet many of them are just company’s or dentists playing a playlist as background music.
Therefore they always have several songs/albums in the charts. Same goes for other acts. New songs/ albums barely ever have a chance. First week buys and they drop from the list, because the classics have so many streams that overtake again. This way new acts aren’t even visible enough to gather any interest. In my opinion the charts shouldn’t count streaming. Or at least separate it completely.
The UK has very interesting separated Chart lists for streams, downloads, physical Albums ect. Very opening, if you care to study the differences…
Is the market saturated? In a way yes. But it has always been the case that people like to listen to the music they‘ve been attracted to in their teenage years. This often doesn’t change much in later years. But in today’s world teenagers have a much bigger choice. Which is good for them, but bad for new acts.
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Post by cassie on Aug 27, 2021 15:50:49 GMT -5
 Since it is slow these days.  |
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Post by girldrummer on Aug 27, 2021 16:06:49 GMT -5
Got it! WW WW RY !!!!!
Clever!
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Post by lurleene on Aug 27, 2021 17:00:43 GMT -5
Ryan Tedder makes many good points. Today's music listeners have just about any song that's ever been released at their disposal, just by a click of the screen. Classic songs are brand new to younger listeners, so they listen to those songs along with the new ones, siphoning off listening time to the new songs. Adam isn't the only one who doesn't always get the attention or airplay or radio time he deserves. It doesn't have anything to do with whether songs are "good" or not. It's just that the sheer volume of available music is so huge. There are always those artists, old or new, who manage to rise to the top. It is always be that way. In a perfect world, Adam's voice alone would push him to the top. But, as Adam himself has said, "It's not about the voice." It's more about luck and timing and the interests of the dominant listening demographic. Adam has said that he's done worrying about Billboard ranking. If he gets a hit, that's great. But he and many many others with great voices and great music just have to write and perform what they love regardless of chart success. It is extremely frustrating, isn't it? I think Adam has some more successful music in his future. agree. As well as the classic rock acts do with streaming, it is the rap artists that mostly dominate the charts in the US. Some country artists still do well but week after week, you will seen rap artists selling a few thousand albums but staying in the top 50 on the charts forever on streams alone. The streaming really hurt a lot of artists, especially those who are not getting massive radio play. I remember when Velvet came out, Adam was something like #17 in album sales but dropped to the eighties when streaming was added in. Some like Taylor, Harry, Adele, Ed, Ariana, Weeknd etc. will do well either way but they also get the massive radio play.
Adam was very fortunate to get his #1 album (Trespassing) when he did. It would be pretty impossible in today's climate even if he were still on a major. But he got that #1 and it can't be taken away, lol. He started to get hurt by the steaming when he released TOH. He still managed to get in at #3 but got edged out of the #2 spot because Taylor just killed him with her streaming numbers from an earlier released album. There is a place for the streaming but I wish they had not made it part of the album charts. But there is no going back now. At least they stopped the artists from using their concert sales to boost their album numbers. Those with arena and stadium tours were really cheating the system with their bundles of concert and album sales.
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Post by pi on Aug 27, 2021 17:47:05 GMT -5
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Post by LindaG23 on Aug 27, 2021 21:40:54 GMT -5
cassie - Love that graphic! True music fan and also maybe fan of gaming platforms. Wii Will Wii Will [the]Rock you!
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