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Post by pi on Nov 20, 2022 22:43:50 GMT -5
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Post by lurleene on Nov 20, 2022 22:59:28 GMT -5
Yes, that performance took valuable time away from Adam's newly exploding career. The punishment was quick, and its effect was long-lasting. But I want to believe in my heart that a good number of singers (sometimes it bothers me to say "artists") realize the injustice of what was done to him. At least those of them who were around at the time. The younger ones probably don't know a thing about it. Adam was on the cusp of being accepted by a huge, mainstream TV-watching audience. And then, boom. I sometimes think of how Barry Manilow answered a question about it. He said, "He should have just stood on a dark stage in a single spotlight and sung a great song." I am paraphrasing, of course. But that's pretty much what he said. But Adam was caught up in the moment. Mainstream prime-time viewers were not ready for it, regardless of what some female singers were doing. What he did seems so tame now. And no, I didn't watch the AMAs tonight. but somehow I'm glad his name was mentioned, however briefly. I think of it not as an indictment but as a sort of homage. , I wonder sometimes if that is the main reason I loathe pop dancers and choreographed productions. The world was looking for a stunning vocal performance and maybe for him to rock out (the main things he was known for and that excited everyone). But someone decided that a stage full of dancers and a big pop production was the way to go for him. It was a mess and not well thought out. They already had enough of that from artists who always did the choreographed pop routines (and still do) and could do it better. But they could not do what Adam could do and he missed a big chance to show why he was different and exciting. But the punishment was way to harsh. They did have him back once to present but that has been it. And he never got that New Years Rockin Eve slot that they said was in the works before everything went wrong. |
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Post by cleopatra on Nov 20, 2022 23:29:31 GMT -5
I wonder sometimes if that is the main reason I loathe pop dancers and choreographed productions. The world was looking for a stunning vocal performance and maybe for him to rock out (the main things he was known for and that excited everyone). But someone decided that a stage full of dancers and a big pop production was the way to go for him. It was a mess and not well thought out. They already had enough of that from artists who always did the choreographed pop routines (and still do) and could do it better. But they could not do what Adam could do and he missed a big chance to show why he was different and exciting. But the punishment was way to harsh. They did have him back once to present but that has been it. And he never got that New Years Rockin Eve slot that they said was in the works before everything went wrong. I think chief among those "someones" was Adam himself. I remember the interview he did with Ryan Seacrest when it was announced he'd be performing at the AMAs, and he was absolutely giddy at the prospect of a "stage full of dancers and a big pop production." It's not like his team was forcing him into a direction he didn't want to go. RCA wanted WWFM as the lead single; it was Adam and his management who wanted FYE. It was a song he couldn't sing well live - a song he didn't even perform live during his first tour, for heaven's sake - but he could wrap a huge production number around it, and it was a pop song through and through, so I guess that was more important to him and his management at the time. I actually like FYE the song, but it was a bad choice as the lead single for a lot of reasons, mainly the "he couldn't sing it well live" thing (did he not think of all the times he'd have had to sing that song during promo, without a whole big production number around it, if they'd stuck with it?) and the lyrics. Britney Spears, for whom the song was written, could have gotten away with those lyrics; Adam could not. I know a lot of Adam's launch was uncharted territory for everyone concerned - the label, his management, and Adam himself - but there were a lot of decisions that didn't make much sense given the environment at that time and his newbie status (LNX had a HUGE hit with "Old Town Road" before he came out and started pushing the envelope; Adam just had his Idol run, and already had the Idol stigma to overcome). I will never stop wondering what might have been if Adam had capitulated on the pronoun issue with "Fever" ("there you go" instead of "there he goes") and released that as the lead single. It was a true pop song, Adam could sing the heck out of it, and he could have built a fun production number around it that wouldn't have put so many people off (as long as he held off on the Tommy tonsil hockey he indulged in on tour). But as with any other alternate universe conjecturing, we'll never know. |
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Post by pi on Nov 20, 2022 23:38:44 GMT -5
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Post by pi on Nov 21, 2022 0:30:00 GMT -5
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Post by stampsgal on Nov 21, 2022 0:42:26 GMT -5
edit add: Just read Cleopatra post…after posting my thoughts.
THANK YOU for refreshing THE DETAILS that surrounded that performance. BRINGS CLARITY especially for old brains.
My view has not always been the popular one. Ranting away here anyway.
I personally was not cheering throughout the performance, but was dying note by note. It was a mess.
The “punishment” was not just TV related, although that did not help. It was more pervasive. It was water cooler talk the morning after the performance. I.e.—In my school, businesses, my family reports even out of province …the kiss was the least of the issues as IT was more the fingers rising to a crotch, the male oral sex act, the woman who moved across the stage was inferencing some sex act ( as other people recounted was also an oral sex act…I never knew of it…but anyway.) This water cooler conversation, was not on the good side.
Sadly by many, he was “dropped”!!!——Many were truly excited to watch Adam every week on AI, so they tuned in to see this hyped up performance. And were😄🎉others 🫤🤷😖🤐
It has taken years, but I know family /friends who now respect his music, and the social consciousness of acceptable “language”/ jokes has changed. My fanning/ side eye stare with folks …stopped language and moved some to reflect on their views. Because of awareness, because of shifting of societal views, times are evolving in this area.
In hind sight….Adam was a huge part of that shift.
( So NOT being on TV program that most do not see as they work, was a hard blow. And he got another network which was a god send. I think media held onto the “kiss” issue to distract from the whole sexual performance. It was unexpected… ad Adam has said …most still had the AI version of what they expected him to be/sing. Adam has also said, that he thought he could move outside the Idol box faster due to the response on the AI tour 😯😁where anything sexual was rejoiced by die hard fans.)
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Post by lurleene on Nov 21, 2022 1:19:58 GMT -5
( So NOT being on TV program that most do not see as they work, was a hard blow. And he got another network which was a god send. I think media held onto the “kiss” issue to distract from the whole sexual performance. It was unexpected… ad Adam has said …most still had the AI version of what they expected him to be/sing. Adam has also said, that he thought he could move outside the Idol box faster due to the response on the AI tour 😯😁where anything sexual was rejoiced by die hard fans.) I remember that statement but it never made any sense to me. What Adam did on the Idol tour was rock and roll and sexy as hell. And the Idol tour was just him and a band with him rocking out with some sexy moves and singing his a** off. Fans went crazy. That is not what he did on the AMAs. And there was no male on male action or simulated sex acts with male or female dancers on that tour. The whole AMAs was just a mess and absolutely nothing like the Idol tour. So not sure how or where he got that message. |
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Post by stampsgal on Nov 21, 2022 8:53:55 GMT -5
( So NOT being on TV program that most do not see as they work, was a hard blow. And he got another network which was a god send. I think media held onto the “kiss” issue to distract from the whole sexual performance. It was unexpected… ad Adam has said …most still had the AI version of what they expected him to be/sing. Adam has also said, that he thought he could move outside the Idol box faster due to the response on the AI tour 😯😁where anything sexual was rejoiced by die hard fans.) I remember that statement but it never made any sense to me. What Adam did on the Idol tour was rock and roll and sexy as hell. And the Idol tour was just him and a band with him rocking out with some sexy moves and singing his a** off. Fans went crazy. That is not what he did on the AMAs. And there was no male on male action or simulated sex acts with male or female dancers on that tour. The whole AMAs was just a mess and absolutely nothing like the Idol tour. So not sure how or where he got that message. EXACTLY….he took bigger leaps and liberty with add lib and content than he had even rehearsed! One cannot get bold just to compete with smashing bottles /crotch grabs by Gaga et al …. and him wanting to be JUST as provocative an entertainer. His adrenalin was high and he ran off his rails. |
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Post by marionm on Nov 21, 2022 9:38:25 GMT -5
Into the Woods on Broadway Isnt Sara Bareilles in this? |
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Post by lurleene on Nov 21, 2022 9:42:00 GMT -5
I remember that statement but it never made any sense to me. What Adam did on the Idol tour was rock and roll and sexy as hell. And the Idol tour was just him and a band with him rocking out with some sexy moves and singing his a** off. Fans went crazy. That is not what he did on the AMAs. And there was no male on male action or simulated sex acts with male or female dancers on that tour. The whole AMAs was just a mess and absolutely nothing like the Idol tour. So not sure how or where he got that message. I agree stampsgal. I was listening to a review last night of how Beyonce prepares for these performances. They said she diets and eats healthy in preparation for these high energy performances. And she rehearses for hours and hours for days and days to perfect her performance. And she does these type of dance performances all the time and on tour. With Adam, that was not how he normally performed so he was playing on a different playing field. And the person who choreographed that routine made it difficult and too busy to begin with. And with Adam adding in unrehearsed stuff to compete with Gaga (who I'm sure perfects her act like Beyonce) was not the best move. He didn't need to be Gaga. People wanted to see what Adam had to offer. He is a different type of performer than these ladies and gents where you expect the dancing and dancers to be the highlights. Going with your strengths is always better than competing against someone else's strengths. |
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