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Post by rabbitrabbit on Feb 16, 2012 16:26:35 GMT -5
I haven't had time to read the main thread for three days, but I'd just like to echo what Tigerlily and mys*&@^#r said. I honestly see the upside of moving the release date a little to get 2 or so killer tracks Adam is excited about on the album as being a lot more significant for Adam, for RCA, for radio and casual listeners than any possible downside for very invested fans.
I'm pretty sure I've read (but correct me if I'm wrong) that RCA chooses the singles (with input from Adam, right, but the buck stops with them. )
Remember that your opinion of BTIKM as a single is just that, YOUR subjective opinion. Ask yourself, do you regularly listen to and appreciate pop radio? If not, can you assume that other pop radio listeners will be of a similar mind to you? I love Riri's 'We Found Love', for example, although many posters on Atop regularly disparage it. Can anyone make the assumption however that because they don't like the song, or find it simplistic, it's not going to be a pop or HAC hit? (Ask yourself the same question about Cobra Starship or Gym Class Heroes if you think it's all about name recognition).
BTIKM may or may not end up resonating with radio and casual buyers given time. Since the obvious promo push to US radio (aside from several San Fran area stations, which jumped on spinning BTIKM with a gusto after Adam's visit with them) just started literally a few days ago, I personally think the jury is still out.
Regardless of how BTIKM ends up doing in the long term, I see almost no disadvantages (aside from maybe a little print promotion that comes out slightly early, but again, this happens a lot with many different artists), in moving the drop date out a little to get on one or two tracks Adam really wants for strategic and/or artistic reasons.
Some examples for people who think that these kind of late additions are somehow a bad sign - Nicki Minaj -Super Bass, wasn't that a late addition B-side on only the deluxe edition of her album that blew up as a single after the fact? Guess what, it was like her 6th or 7th US single from that album and the biggest success, her first single flopped and was removed from the album before it was released.
Domino by Jessie J, which is blowing up now, isn't even on her regular album (just a deluxe edition released months later), they didn't have a good second single for the US market after Price Tag, so Claude, Dr. Luke and her went back to the studio and recorded a new track AFTER the album release.
Just saying
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Feb 16, 2012 16:27:07 GMT -5
How about giving Adam a little credit for knowing what he is doing. I think BTIKM is just as much "him" as any other song he puts on his album. Perhaps you don't think BTIM IS "interesting, different and instantly recognizable." I do. Matter of opinion.
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Post by tigerlily on Feb 16, 2012 16:35:18 GMT -5
I don't understand this question? Isn't that why you have an A&R team and a label behind artists? They help select the songs to record, pick the songs for the album, help set up producers, suggest co-writes and collabs and eventually pick the singles to send out. Adam has a great deal of input, but artists on a major label always have lots of help and input from their team. my point is that somehow, as a result of some process, with input from various sources, some one, possibly Adam, or may be someone else, made a pick of BTIKM as a lead single... for whatever reason, they picked (according to the accounts of people that have heard other songs from the album) the least interesting song... the song that is not catchy, or exciting, or memorable in any shape UNLESS one is into the vocals and harmonies and layers and other stuff that the average radio listener can't care less about... RCA picked a Claude Kelly/ Dr. Luke song that Adam could sing well and they thought would remind casual fans, radio listeners, and radio stations of WWFM. On paper, BTIKM was a good choice. It is mid-tempo, but there is always a need for a few mid-tempo songs on CHR. There are many songs that make it on top 40 that are not what I wouldn't consider to be catchy, exciting or memorable. It isn't an exact science- it is far from it! If ANY record label could predict what would become a hit or not, we wouldn't see so many good songs that never even make it to the top 40. RCA and Adam did not pick a song that they thought wasn't going to have a good chance of doing well on HAC and CHR. Why would they want to throw money and time away? Adam needs a song that is a hit. It doesn't matter who wrote it. If WWFM could be a worldwide hit and garner him a Grammy nomintion, so can another song that he didn't write. Adam makes a song his own because of what he brings to it. WWFM is Adam's song. I've seen this a million times from fans of other artists on the Pulse board. The singles sent to radio are NEVER the fan's favorite songs. Just because we love a song doesn't mean the general radio listeners would love the song.
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Post by annietoo on Feb 16, 2012 16:59:29 GMT -5
How about giving Adam a little credit for knowing what he is doing. I think BTIKM is just as much "him" as any other song he puts on his album. Perhaps you don't think BTIM IS "interesting, different and instantly recognizable." I do. Matter of opinion. I agree. I don't like this assumption that everyone believes BTIKM is a sub standard song. I thought it was his best single to date and I still love it. He chose to sing this song because he identified very strongly with it therefore it is his song. I think what is hampering this song is the expectation that it was supposed to fly up the charts when nothing in Adam's history should have led us to believe that. Right now it is climbing steadily the way 90% of songs do. The December release has everyone all fucked up thinking the song should be in Top 10 by now whereas if it had been released closer to adds date the trajectory would seem more normal. The song is great, just as good as WWFM if not better IMO.
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Post by JazzRocks on Feb 16, 2012 17:03:46 GMT -5
Just posting to say I agree with everything you said annietoo! Good song, early (maybe too early?) release, heavy promo just starting. Period.
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Post by annietoo on Feb 16, 2012 17:15:23 GMT -5
Just posting to say I agree with everything you said annietoo! Good song, early (maybe too early?) release, heavy promo just starting. Period. I would not be surprised to start seeing some more late night promo also. We just don't know about it yet. I seriously doubt Adam is going to be resting on his laurels after this East coast promo. I would think he would be doing some more radio visits in other parts of the country too.
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Post by annietoo on Feb 16, 2012 17:21:24 GMT -5
I haven't had time to read the main thread for three days, but I'd just like to echo what Tigerlily and mys*&@^#r said. I honestly see the upside of moving the release date a little to get 2 or so killer tracks Adam is excited about on the album as being a lot more significant for Adam, for RCA, for radio and casual listeners than any possible downside for very invested fans. I'm pretty sure I've read (but correct me if I'm wrong) that RCA chooses the singles (with input from Adam, right, but the buck stops with them. ) Remember that your opinion of BTIKM as a single is just that, YOUR subjective opinion. Ask yourself, do you regularly listen to and appreciate pop radio? If not, can you assume that other pop radio listeners will be of a similar mind to you? I love Riri's 'We Found Love', for example, although many posters on Atop regularly disparage it. Can anyone make the assumption however that because they don't like the song, or find it simplistic, it's not going to be a pop or HAC hit? (Ask yourself the same question about Cobra Starship or Gym Class Heroes if you think it's all about name recognition). BTIKM may or may not end up resonating with radio and casual buyers given time. Since the obvious promo push to US radio (aside from several San Fran area stations, which jumped on spinning BTIKM with a gusto after Adam's visit with them) just started literally a few days ago, I personally think the jury is still out. Regardless of how BTIKM ends up doing in the long term, I see almost no disadvantages (aside from maybe a little print promotion that comes out slightly early, but again, this happens a lot with many different artists), in moving the drop date out a little to get on one or two tracks Adam really wants for strategic and/or artistic reasons. Some examples for people who think that these kind of late additions are somehow a bad sign - Nicki Minaj -Super Bass, wasn't that a late addition B-side on only the deluxe edition of her album that blew up as a single after the fact? Guess what, it was like her 6th or 7th US single from that album and the biggest success, her first single flopped and was removed from the album before it was released. Domino by Jessie J, which is blowing up now, isn't even on her album, they didn't have a good second single for the US market after Price Tag, so Claude, Dr. Luke and her went back to the studio and recorded a new track AFTER the album release. Just saying Wow! Thank you so much for these very interesting tidbits. I am shocked about Jesse J. I too believe the delay is a good thing.
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Post by jo on Feb 16, 2012 18:06:36 GMT -5
How about giving Adam a little credit for knowing what he is doing. I think BTIKM is just as much "him" as any other song he puts on his album. Perhaps you don't think BTIM IS "interesting, different and instantly recognizable." I do. Matter of opinion. I agree. I don't like this assumption that everyone believes BTIKM is a sub standard song. I thought it was his best single to date and I still love it. He chose to sing this song because he identified very strongly with it therefore it is his song. I think what is hampering this song is the expectation that it was supposed to fly up the charts when nothing in Adam's history should have led us to believe that. Right now it is climbing steadily the way 90% of songs do. The December release has everyone all fucked up thinking the song should be in Top 10 by now whereas if it had been released closer to adds date the trajectory would seem more normal. The song is great, just as good as WWFM if not better IMO. This is exactly how I feel. I love this song and I think it's better than WWFM. We just need to be patient.
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Feb 16, 2012 18:41:15 GMT -5
Mods, if these couple of pages are some kind of a problem, please delete my posts rather than move them to the main thread. I was just responding to the conversation here. [puts on mod hat] Hmmm....well I'll let stardust have the final say, but as this conversation started here, based on the Numbers, I don't have a problem with it staying here. As an additional benefit, I think we can talk a little more realistically here on the Numbers thread without the "ANGST ANGST - MY HEART CAN'T TAKE IT AHHHHHHHH!!!!!" overreaction that would occur if this shifted to the News Thread. If the convo gets so long that the baseline Numbers get obscured, we'll reassess. Stardust - final decision is yours tho'. In the meantime, y'all can keep happily going.
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Post by stardust on Feb 16, 2012 18:55:24 GMT -5
This discussion is fine. It is about numbers and strategy and is appropriate. As long as things stay civil and respectful.
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