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Post by tigerlily on Feb 16, 2012 12:27:00 GMT -5
If the NAL comments are directed at me, please go back and read my post again because I think you are misunderstanding my point. I never said that RCA is not doing right by Adam or that NAL is more of a priority. To the contrary, I was trying to show that RCA probably doesn't expect BTIKM to burnup the pop charts. I was fringe to diffuse the angst we've seen over this idea that the first single off a new album has to be a smash or the whole project is doomed. I think in NAL 'sis case, that is the case because what else is there to sell the album. I would guess that most people outside the AI bubble don't even remember who he is. RCA has to pull out all the stops at the outset. Adam is in a completely differently situation and I think his promo reflects that. Like I tried to say, I think they are trying.g to position him more as a critically acclaimed, Grammy-nominated artist than just the singer of a good pop tune. I agreethat they are saving the heavyhandex promo for the next single, which I too think was always meant to come out right before or at the time of the album. NAL had a gig in a glorified bar that held 200 people. That was not pulling out all the stops. That is something they would do for an artist who has a tiny fanbase, and that is exactly what NAL has. One radio representative showed up- Whoopee! They have been pushing him to every charity event possible for the past couple of years, because let's face it- those charity events will take ANYONE! He has become like David Archuleta in that regard. The PSA is just that. That doesn't mean that they are working out some deal to play NAL's songs. And ONE radio station blogged about him. This is not an amazing, mind-boggling roll out! This is something like David Cook or David A. would get. I expect to see RCA promote NAL's new music. Why wouldn't they? So far, it isn't anything that is out of the ordinary or that impressive- UNLESS you talk to a NAL stan and they will tell you how "OMG...AMAZING IT IS"! :  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 12:29:57 GMT -5
Just want to address this:
Bonnie does not write songs that are not radio friendly and Cuckoo is a co-write with Bonnie.
Also, that press release that has Bruno listed is from December! I think Adam didn't like it, as it was, so it "didn't fit" as he said during his LA press interviews. Now they are reworking it and adding Bruno to it as a vocal collab. Bruno writes for lots of people. Writing and producing is how he finally broke into Pop. Then he did 2 great vocal collabs, with Pop stars. After those 2 collabs, radio jumped on his bandwagon and well, now he is BIG!.
Plus there is also one more song they are working on. So I think the delay is just to add these 2 collabs that they think are worth delaying the release for. Adam is still promoting the other 10 songs in pretty much every interview. Not to mention that he still has 4 more tracks to pick for the deluxe album.
And if RCA didn't think this album was AMAZEBALLS, they would just release it now and cut their losses, rather than spend more money on it. You don't put more money into something you think is bad.
ETA: Just because Bruno did not use his song on this last album does not mean it was a "cast off." Bruno writes lots of songs. It's what he does. WWFM was not a "cast off" either. P!NK didn't use it because it was written about a guy she was dating. But when she got back with Hart, figured the song was not appropriate.
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Post by tigerlily on Feb 16, 2012 12:48:28 GMT -5
Sticking in toe ... please don't hate me ... Mapril worries me in a way I have never been worried in 2 1/2 years of following Adam. Things seemed to be going so well about the album. Rave reviews, people saying there were four or five singles even better than BTIKM (which I LOVE). That the music was crazy and great. And I agree with Susie that the promo for BTIKM seems great. The video is amazing and while it isn't flying up the charts it seems to be doing OK. So, why, suddenly, does Adam need a Bruno castoff and some other Claude Kelly song? And it is worth delaying the record again this late in the game, with promo appearing in March magazines now appearing on newsstands and the like? What am I missing? I have strained my mind to interpret this in some way other than that RCA is not happy with the album or the possible singles. The idea of Cuckoo or Trespassing as singles suddenly seems far away. I don't get it and perhaps we are just missing too much information at this point to fill in the gaps and feel better. We may just have to wait and see. I admit I feel tortured but recognize that is my problem not Adam's or anyone else's. The Bruno song has been in the works since before the release of BTIKM. They don't "need it", it has always been there. Claude Kelly texted about working on another song for Adam early in January. Record labels push back albums all the time for bigger names than Adam. Sometimes it has to do with timing the release so a bigger star doesn't overshadow everything. (like Madonna) For artists that the record label has a lot invested in and they know the artist is an important player, the label will adjust the roll out for the best possible outcome. BTIKM is not flying up the charts. RCA knows they either need to give it more time (with a big push) or release a second single. The fact that they care enough to push the album back is a good sign. If they felt the album was mediocre and they weren't convinced they have a valuable artist in Adam, they would release the album on time and let the chips fall where they may. That's what RCA did with Cook. They knew the album wasn't that great, so they released it without a single to help it. The fact that the label cares about the outcome of this album BEFORE they even release it is a positive! ETA: I see mys*&@^#r and I were typing at the same time and have some of the same thoughts! LOL |
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Post by nica575 on Feb 16, 2012 13:33:00 GMT -5
Sticking in toe ... please don't hate me ... Mapril worries me in a way I have never been worried in 2 1/2 years of following Adam. Things seemed to be going so well about the album. Rave reviews, people saying there were four or five singles even better than BTIKM (which I LOVE). That the music was crazy and great. And I agree with Susie that the promo for BTIKM seems great. The video is amazing and while it isn't flying up the charts it seems to be doing OK. So, why, suddenly, does Adam need a Bruno castoff and some other Claude Kelly song? And it is worth delaying the record again this late in the game, with promo appearing in March magazines now appearing on newsstands and the like? What am I missing? I have strained my mind to interpret this in some way other than that RCA is not happy with the album or the possible singles. The idea of Cuckoo or Trespassing as singles suddenly seems far away. I don't get it and perhaps we are just missing too much information at this point to fill in the gaps and feel better. We may just have to wait and see. I admit I feel tortured but recognize that is my problem not Adam's or anyone else's. The Bruno song has been in the works since before the release of BTIKM. They don't "need it", it has always been there. Claude Kelly texted about working on another song for Adam early in January. Record labels push back albums all the time for bigger names than Adam. Sometimes it has to do with timing the release so a bigger star doesn't overshadow everything. (like Madonna) For artists that the record label has a lot invested in and they know the artist is an important player, the label will adjust the roll out for the best possible outcome. BTIKM is not flying up the charts. RCA knows they either need to give it more time (with a big push) or release a second single. The fact that they care enough to push the album back is a good sign. If they felt the album was mediocre and they weren't convinced they have a valuable artist in Adam, they would release the album on time and let the chips fall where they may. That's what RCA did with Cook. They knew the album wasn't that great, so they released it without a single to help it. The fact that the label cares about the outcome of this album BEFORE they even release it is a positive! ETA: I see mys*&@^#r and I were typing at the same time and have some of the same thoughts! LOL I am sure RCA is 100% behind Adam (as he said repeatedly) and they let him have lots of artistic and EP control. The question is : does Adam really know what would be "popular"? If the collab with Bruno brings new fans - I am all for it! But I am afraid we will have another unremarkable song as a single (if this would be the next single). The other thing I am afraid of is that Adam will have to adjust his vocals to Bruno's (and Bruno cannot hold a candle to Adam's voice, sorry Bruno fans...)... anyway... the waiting is getting to me...I want the promised "explosion"... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 13:33:02 GMT -5
Ha, ha! So should we delete the last 2 pages of posts! ;D Rumor control: no duets have been recorded except for Sam Sparro's feature on "Shady". Bruno has WRITTEN a song for the album. #factcheck |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 13:40:35 GMT -5
Ha, ha! So should we delete the last 2 pages of posts! ;D Rumor control: no duets have been recorded except for Sam Sparro's feature on "Shady". Bruno has WRITTEN a song for the album. #factcheck  (glad at least it is not a duet) I'm sure Adam will put his own stamp on it. Still feeling concerned but at this point ready to get on with it and get this thing airborne. |
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Post by tigerlily on Feb 16, 2012 14:03:33 GMT -5
I am sure RCA is 100% behind Adam (as he said repeatedly) and they let him have lots of artistic and EP control. The question is : does Adam really know what would be "popular"? I don't understand this question? Isn't that why you have an A&R team and a label behind artists? They help select the songs to record, pick the songs for the album, help set up producers, suggest co-writes and collabs and eventually pick the singles to send out. Adam has a great deal of input, but artists on a major label always have lots of help and input from their team. |
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Post by theosgma on Feb 16, 2012 15:22:55 GMT -5
Don't want to sound cranky but I came to the Numbers thread and starting reading two pages back and thought "oh, I must have clicked on the news thread". Shouldn't this discussion be on the main thread? I wanted a quick update on numbers and had to read through Bruno Mars speculation etc.
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Post by nica575 on Feb 16, 2012 15:59:37 GMT -5
I am sure RCA is 100% behind Adam (as he said repeatedly) and they let him have lots of artistic and EP control. The question is : does Adam really know what would be "popular"? I don't understand this question? Isn't that why you have an A&R team and a label behind artists? They help select the songs to record, pick the songs for the album, help set up producers, suggest co-writes and collabs and eventually pick the singles to send out. Adam has a great deal of input, but artists on a major label always have lots of help and input from their team. my point is that somehow, as a result of some process, with input from various sources, some one, possibly Adam, or may be someone else, made a pick of BTIKM as a lead single... for whatever reason, they picked (according to the accounts of people that have heard other songs from the album) the least interesting song... the song that is not catchy, or exciting, or memorable in any shape UNLESS one is into the vocals and harmonies and layers and other stuff that the average radio listener can't care less about... I am speculating that Adam is following his own statements re "understanding" his fans/listeners and giving us "what we want" - i.e. a WWFM twin of a single, or rather in his own words a "cousin". IMO - he needs something that is HIM. BTIKM is not. OOL - is him (I know -not a radio song), Trespassing - is him. I strongly believe that Adam needs a single that HE WROTE, because he is a superb song writer. Because the songs he wrote/co-wrote have unique sound. Because they are ALL INTERESTING, DIFFERENT AND INSTANTLY RECONGNIZABLE. BTIKM IS NOT. ... and ya, this does not belong to this thread... sorry... mods- move to the main thread if needed... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 16:07:46 GMT -5
nica, I love BTIKM, but agree that if I had my way (which I don't LOL) I would like to go full-steam ahead with Adam's unique sound and take on life.
Mods, if these couple of pages are some kind of a problem, please delete my posts rather than move them to the main thread. I was just responding to the conversation here.
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