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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on May 31, 2012 13:26:15 GMT -5
[grins] Fine. Think of it this way. The mod team is overstretched and wants one day every two weeks where we aren't getting slammed about ATOP negativity. [winks] Nuthin' is stopping anyone from saying the same thing tomorrow on the main thread. Just sayin.
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on May 31, 2012 13:29:50 GMT -5
ETA again: And yes, I realize Atop is not a democracy and there is no appeal. True, its not a democracy. However, appeals are made all the time, and very often results in change. ETA: [snerk] Hence today's light-and-dark threads. There was a lot of positive feedback about this last time. Odd, but true. Still not gonna make it a regular occurance - news is news is news - but it may pop up periodically.
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Post by mszue on May 31, 2012 13:36:16 GMT -5
hoppers...I completely agree and it is actually nice to have a thread where one can come and have a discussion...and that doesn't get switched out every day. I like not having to scroll through pages and pages of repetitive birthday cakes [imo should be int he social thread but whatever....don't really care], rows and rows of smilies, cats wishing gelly a good sleep....etc... What I do not like is that the thread is hidden. I do not find this thread that negative, for the most part....other than participant frustration at being shunted off.
I will shut up now as nothing is going to change so it is an utter waste of time....sigh...this is my break from moving. Moved in to my new apt yesterday and now have to go back and clean the old one.....do not need my blood pressure to raise any more than it naturally is! BBL
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 14:21:17 GMT -5
Yes, I understood last week, that the Light Thread was all about Adam making #1. That made sense. It was kind of like suspending family arguments because it's grandma's birthday, or whatever.
Today just came out of the blue.
I too like the idea of having a place for in-depth discussion and like to dream there would be enough people who wanted to participate. A place where we could talk a little more deeply.
There used to be a thread like that on ALFC but it died because of this very issue -- that people eventually weren't allowed to discuss "negative" issues.
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Post by aloha on May 31, 2012 14:42:29 GMT -5
I enjoyed last week's celebration thread. But I thought it was a one time only thing. I do not think the threads of the past couple of days were unusually angsty. I get impatient with enforced cheeriness. Hell, I'm cranky right now, should I be banished?
I've complained (sometimes publicly) about angst on atop but always realized it comes with the territory. I've stayed away from atop for periods of time because I felt I couldn't take the negativity and knew scroll wouldn't work for me. But it was my choice. It's just as irritating the other way, IMO. Too much squeeage gets boring and treacly. I've been on both sides so I can't judge anyone else. I think the real problem is being so invested and/or obsessed one is unable to step away from the computer. I've been there, too.
It's difficult to find a balance when we're dealing with so many different personalities.
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Post by mika on May 31, 2012 14:52:27 GMT -5
[slogs down secret staircase carrying oil lantern and carpetbag] [grimaces at damp, slimy floor] [pulls out a camp chair and footstool] [plops into chair, places carpetbag safely on dry stool] [winces as water drips on head] [glares at ceiling, pulls a rainhat out of carpetbag, defiantly places on head] [wraps tarp around self] Whaat?! Something must have happened. The last time I was here it was delightful and comfy - must be a broken water line. I shall fix this w/my Adam-given powers, because Adam would agree the weird kids deserve a nice place too! [Waves wand that sparkles darkly. All is dry, clean and mold-free.] [taps chin thoughtfully... Ahh, a Moroccan theme-ish? Yesss] [Out of the dark swirl and gold/silver sparks pops thick tribal carpets from our peeps in Central Asia and Syria; antique egyptian lamps hang from the ceiling casting beautiful light patterns; scented candles give a spicy subtle scent from the low wooden tables, finaalllly, long low sofas of dark, dark red swirl and then plop down in a companionable pattern, along with many floor pillows of excessive size. Ah, voila~] [Oops, quick add of ~provocative wall art featuring someone familiar and a few hookahs behind the bar.] (Of course there's a bar! But also dark coffee blends and dark hot chocolate) There you go, my loves. Whenever someone wanders (or takes refuge) here, you'll be comfy to exchange any 'doubting' views or just share or debate. If necessary, I'm sure we could create a dueling corner - no virtual blood on the carpet please
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on May 31, 2012 14:57:09 GMT -5
Ooh, I like this decor MUCH better!!!
[flops on floor pillow; sniffs clouds of sandlewood incense]
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Post by Misha on May 31, 2012 14:57:12 GMT -5
Adam Lambert quoting Dr. Martin Luther King: "Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that."
Thoughts that are truly negative are in danger of being left here to fester, feed on each other, and grow; thoughts that are "deep" are in danger of eventually being extinguished and suffocated here in the buried dungeon of the board.
anjalee asked, how does one find this thread? I suspect it's hidden to sweep it under the carpet, and so it won't be part of the public face of the board, where (on a semi-regular basis going forward) we must put on our happy, shiny, glittery persona and speak only positively or not post (how is that not the definition of censorship and being required to fall in line and act in lockstep?).
From what I can see, Adam works to consciously choose the light side, while looking head on at the dark. It seems to me that he doesn't stuff it down or hide it away or refuse to "process" the dark, or deny its existence in the world or that it's also part of his makeup, but he has made the choice to not dwell on it or give it greater power. And he has also suggested that there is beauty in the dark side. I don't think separate but equal works, but if there must be separate threads I wish they were equally accessible, without one being exiled to the ghetto. How many people will want to come here to this section of the board to "work through" their questions or fears or doubts if they're made to feel like their "underneath" is something shameful or bad or undesirable or that they've somehow failed as the right kind of fan? And how many people will want to come here for analytical discussion when given the message that this kind of thinking is not valued on this board and is relegated to the basement that "no one is going to waste a lot of time reading."
What is the point of having this hidden thread at all if the next day people are "allowed" to have the same discussions on the main thread?
I want to be happy; Adam makes me happy. I don't want to drown in negativity. I think if given a chance a community can, for the most part, regulate itself and find its own balance by--when confronted with the dark--offering counterpoints and new perspectives, acknowledgement, a different focus, sometimes silence and space, humor, compassion, and light.
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Post by mika on May 31, 2012 15:11:26 GMT -5
hoppers...I completely agree and it is actually nice to have a thread where one can come and have a discussion...and that doesn't get switched out every day. I like not having to scroll through pages and pages of repetitive birthday cakes [imo should be int he social thread but whatever....don't really care], rows and rows of smilies, cats wishing gelly a good sleep....etc... What I do not like is that the thread is hidden. I do not find this thread that negative, for the most part....other than participant frustration at being shunted off. I will shut up now as nothing is going to change so it is an utter waste of time....sigh...this is my break from moving. Moved in to my new apt yesterday and now have to go back and clean the old one.....do not need my blood pressure to raise any more than it naturally is! BBL Congrats on new apartment! And thanks for the Yeats love~ That's probably the only downside to the Dark Room of Love and Doom - my tendency to burst into poetry and randomness but every cool club has its annoying fixtures, oui? (And girl, I'm a fan of those lyrics from Strut - open your mouth, open it wide :D) Even if it was inadvertent, I was, as you can see, excited about the creation of a Dark Satellite of Love and hurried myself over. Yeah, that's me right there ETA: I deleted part of my original reply because it's kind of a moot issue. Meh.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 15:18:30 GMT -5
Wow, mika, I LUV the new decor! The m&g room in Houston was actually decorated this way. Adam was really cute about it and said, "oooh, this is so decadent." [In deference to mszue, simply imagine a steaming cup of hot chocolate elixir here, flavored with raw brown sugar, cinnamon, nuts, and roses, served to you by your barista, Dark Adam.] Anybody remember this? April 26, 2011 - First appearance of the word #realness When in reality- I'm human and just trying to do my best. Day by day. Just like you love you Glamily. 26 Apr Adam Lambert adamlambert Adam Lambert Haha but it's sorta a damned if you, damned if you don't thing-- now some folks will think I'm an arrogant diva. Lol 26 Apr Adam Lambert adamlambert Adam Lambert @ @whimsicalspirit totally but I find myself biting my tongue in order to not rock the boat all too often. 26 Apr Adam Lambert adamlambert Adam Lambert My new mission is to keep it as real as possible at all times. No more pageant-style p.c. smile and wave, smoke blowin, fake BS. #Realness
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