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Post by Alison on Jun 2, 2012 16:50:37 GMT -5
Juniemoon, here is the link to the page where the listening links are. It's show #339 and it's really interesting. www.soundopinions.org/
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Post by JazzRocks on Jun 2, 2012 17:00:42 GMT -5
This is exactly how I feel nica. That feeling of helplessness adds to the angst because it's true that fans can only do so much and it's not enough to make a big difference in either sales or radio play. I hope that some day we can look back and laugh at how much we worried about him.
juniemoon - sorry about the broken link. Thanks for reposting. Interesting article. My husband was in radio his entire career and I remember him talking a lot about "arbitron" and "day parts" and all that radio jingo. But his station was not top 40 so the pressure for ratings was much less than it is today. But even then it was all about the advertisers. Listeners in the right demographic = advertisers. Period & end of story. But you all know that.
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Post by glittergma on Jun 2, 2012 18:15:53 GMT -5
[teleports to the Dark Thread wearing lolly-studded hat] [ignores the pillows, pulls up a chair] Guys. I'm going to say some things that not all of you want to hear. But I'm going to say this anyway. This thread. This hidden, candle-lit, dark-but-not-evil thread is STILL part of ATOP. The same rules of courtesy apply here as well as any other part of this board. Particularly toward the mods, and most especially towards the Administrator of this board who allows this place to exist. If you have a problem with the way the board does business, you PM a mod or Q3 herself. It WILL NOT be a discussion topic on any part of ATOP, up to and including here. As was discussed earlier, this board is not a democracy. Q3 and the mod team bend over backwards to be as fair as humanly possible, but we can't please everyone. If you dislike things so much, there may be other boards on the Internet more to your liking. I am going to remove the most critical of the posts. They will not fester here. And then I'm going to calm down a mod who has been dealing with a great deal of personal tragedy lately and tell her that I have done so. This darkened thread is for deep thoughts. Sometimes frustrated thoughts. But not mean lashouts. [stands up pointedly] Threads on ATOP can be deleted. No bookmark or gateway will bring it back. And IMO it would be tragedy to lose the beautiful moongarden that was planted here. [lights a new incense stick] [teleports out] Thank you so much, Hoppers!! Please give her a hug from me, too!! Ohhhhhhhhhhh Adam & the Show Must Go On, on The Flea. Oops...sorry, I'm so distracted right now. Really, really long (& shitty) day.
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Post by lynne on Jun 2, 2012 18:27:56 GMT -5
I just got back from a beautiful little movie, The Best Ever Marigold Hotel. It made me feel so many things! It also deals with the dark and light sides of living. One of the lines is "Everything will work out in the end, and if it isn't working out, it isn't the end yet." I like its attitude. As Adam said recently, "This is only the beginning." I love Atop. I feel really connected to many people in this community. I originally was drawn to Planet Fierce over other boards because of the deep and thoughtful posts people made, posts that made me think and feel. They started out with Adam but sometimes branched out from there to other areas, like roots spreading. I have put down roots here. This is my Adam home, where my heart is. I am not a person who compartmentalizes well, for good and/or bad. All my experiences, feelings and passions spill over and into each other as my mind seeks to make meaning of my world. All my life experiences, my stanning experiences, work experiences, political experiences, social experiences, and family experiences among others, all slide together in connective ways that interface with each other, broaden my understanding and make me think and rethink things. That is what fires off my brain synapses most readily, and I love the burning energy created when that kind of fusion happens. It feels like fire, electrifying in the very best way. Posts here often spark that kind of brain fuel for me. I am not afraid of questioning and actually kind of enjoy people who challenge my thinking and help me look at things with fresh perspectives. I appreciate honest, respectful dialogue. I also appreciate all of the mods here, and appreciate that it must be a crazy job to try to facilitate conversations between so many people with so many varied personalities, backgrounds and cultures. It must be tricky not to have things derail now and then. It is even tricky in a classroom of only 30 students, lol, so I get that these boards need rules and that mods must make the best judgement calls they can from time to time. Like many of you have expressed so well, I like the idea of having a place to respectfully continue having the kinds of discussions, light and dark, that don't always fit in on the regular thread with so much news and promotion going on just now. That being said, I enjoy the news thread every day and the mods who run it. The light and the dark, the deep and the shallow, I just love conversations, and each of you who is willing to have one with me, lol. Glad things went well on your DC trip, Alison! Sometimes I feel like I have taught every eighth grader in the world, lol, especially at the end of each school year,
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Post by Jablea on Jun 2, 2012 23:17:55 GMT -5
Just a note for those who think this thread is well hidden.... nah, shows up in the most recent posts for everyone including non-members.
I haven't decided what I think about radio this time around. I think NCOE comes across my car speakers much better than BTINM did which I swear had something wrong with the radio edit as the CD version sounds great in the car. But I don't think either of them are stand out songs for gathering new fans.
Maybe his fate and Pink's are linked to the same road. She had difficulty getting onto radio, he met her before Idol, his hit song so far was written by Pink.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 23:36:11 GMT -5
Juniemoon, here is the link to the page where the listening links are. It's show #339 and it's really interesting. www.soundopinions.org/ Wow, if anybody has time, listen to this. It tells about the roots of disco in the gay community, and the joy of people who were shunned by society finding their voice. Many women who embraced disco were gospel singers who felt marginalized. It tells how the men who hated disco were basically homophobic. Very interesting. It also talks about the hypnotic nature of the music in clubs, so I was thrilled to hear that the remixes of NCOE were sent to clubs today. Come on gay guys, get that credit card out and download the damn album already! ;D
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Post by mszue on Jun 3, 2012 1:07:56 GMT -5
It is late so I expect I am writing for myself at the moment. I have been mia as I have been moving from one apt to another and that is a hugely tiring and stressful activity. I hurt from head to toe. Which reminds me of my disco days! :-) [note the cool segue] I divorced in the spring of 1979 and disco had hit with a vengeance. I loved it...though I did not realize its significance, it is/was tied up to some extent with the gay world. In the late sixties, I was a hairstylist... and ran in the highest of circles in that business...dominated often by very fashion, outspoken gay men. A bunch of us used to go to the local night clubs and dance until our poor feet were stumps. What I loved about partying with this bunch is that you could dirty dance with complete abandon...with a gorgeous man that you did not have to worry about. Not worry as it 'worry' about leading them on, but not worrying that you would be thought of as promiscuous or trampy or .....so on. Just complete abandonment to the music and movement. You cannot ever, ever dance like that with a straight man...it is just not the same...then it really does become about sex. So fun....The sad things is that AIDS hit the community and everything changed. I got married and had kids so only saw what was happening when someone disappeared ... for a few years the gay community really shut down. It is interesting now to realize that the disco that erupted in the late 70's and 80's was birthed in that community but makes perfect sense. I LOVED DISCO.....After my divorce in 1979, I was a dancing queen once again, though not with my gay friends as a cohesive group. Second thought and completely unrelated. I just came back from a lecture on addictions, mental health and harm reaction by a leading medical practitioner and pioneer of the safe-site in Vancouver, Dr. Gabor Mate. It was really eye-opening...he was describing the nature of addictions and making us all face the notion that many of us do indeed have our own addictions...it made me wonder about the nature of the hours spent on the computer reading and dissecting every minute detail of the life of a young gay singer from the US. hmmmmm It was interesting and makes me think... His major distinction between an addiction [with attendant implication of harm] is that it closes you down from 'life'---takes you from your life....distracts you from fully engaging in RL... rather than 'opening' you up to life, enriching it [apart from simply feeding/satiating the craving of the addiction] making you feel better. food for thought...
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Post by nica575 on Jun 3, 2012 7:18:28 GMT -5
It is late so I expect I am writing for myself at the moment. I have been mia as I have been moving from one apt to another and that is a hugely tiring and stressful activity. I hurt from head to toe. Which reminds me of my disco days! :-) [note the cool segue] I divorced in the spring of 1979 and disco had hit with a vengeance. I loved it...though I did not realize its significance, it is/was tied up to some extent with the gay world. In the late sixties, I was a hairstylist... and ran in the highest of circles in that business...dominated often by very fashion, outspoken gay men. A bunch of us used to go to the local night clubs and dance until our poor feet were stumps. What I loved about partying with this bunch is that you could dirty dance with complete abandon...with a gorgeous man that you did not have to worry about. Not worry as it 'worry' about leading them on, but not worrying that you would be thought of as promiscuous or trampy or .....so on. Just complete abandonment to the music and movement. You cannot ever, ever dance like that with a straight man...it is just not the same...then it really does become about sex. So fun....The sad things is that AIDS hit the community and everything changed. I got married and had kids so only saw what was happening when someone disappeared ... for a few years the gay community really shut down. It is interesting now to realize that the disco that erupted in the late 70's and 80's was birthed in that community but makes perfect sense. I LOVED DISCO.....After my divorce in 1979, I was a dancing queen once again, though not with my gay friends as a cohesive group. Second thought and completely unrelated. I just came back from a lecture on addictions, mental health and harm reaction by a leading medical practitioner and pioneer of the safe-site in Vancouver, Dr. Gabor Mate. It was really eye-opening...he was describing the nature of addictions and making us all face the notion that many of us do indeed have our own addictions...it made me wonder about the nature of the hours spent on the computer reading and dissecting every minute detail of the life of a young gay singer from the US. hmmmmm It was interesting and makes me think... His major distinction between an addiction [with attendant implication of harm] is that it closes you down from 'life'---takes you from your life....distracts you from fully engaging in RL... rather than 'opening' you up to life, enriching it [apart from simply feeding/satiating the craving of the addiction] making you feel better. food for thought... mszue, while I have no experience with gay dance clubs - I fully understand what you are saying Re addiction: there is no doubt in my mind that I am an addict. Big time. It was clear to me since the summer of 2009, since the first time I got up at 3 am in order to make sure I am as close as possible to Adam at his first Early Show appearance, meeting total strangers from the Internet (oh, the horror of THAT!). I've analysed this addiction on my own, I've discussed this addiction with fellow addicts and "normal" people...and yes, it did change my RL....but as much as I can see (and of course I look from the depth of the addiction) - I could find only one negative result - I don't have time to read for "pleasure" - which is of course is an escape in itself... ...as far as positives are concerned - I can't even list them all : the feeling of happiness (euphoria) in the midst of unemployment and divorce; the general ease of dealing with any adversity; loosing 25 pounds because eating became totally irrelevant; meeting like minded people and making new friends - friends that crossed into my RL big time; discovering new music (it turns out I love electronic sound ) and artists I've never heard of before; getting college level education on the ins and outs of music industry, radio biz, audio equipment, the intricacies of vocal technique, the anatomy of voice production in humans and other spiecies ;D; the politics of equality movement in many countries - and on and on and on... So... has this addiction "closed down my "life"? Were the countless hours spent on-line useless? Is this very discussion a waste of time? Was my life enriched? - so, yes, I am an ADDICT. ... and let every addition be as healthy as this one!
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Post by smokeyvera on Jun 3, 2012 10:52:41 GMT -5
I have an addictive personality, and recognized it from a very young age. I have tried to use it to my advantage, but I failed so many times. I have come to the conclusion you just simply go with the flow and enjoy it.
Adam has given me immeasurable happiness, and took me thru a number of dark periods for me in the past 3 years. I'm glad I'm an addict. At least I do it with zest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2012 15:28:52 GMT -5
I have an obsessive personality too. I have deep passions about the things I fall in love with that manifest themselves in writing and travel, especially. It seems OK -- I came up with two books that I'm very proud of and have had many life experiences.
This Adam thing ... it's been very educational. About myself and about others. It's revived a long-dormant interest in psychology.
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