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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 8:52:59 GMT -5
Mika, thanks so much for both your links, as different as they are, they were both fascinating. For all those interested in the business model behind music industry, this posted by Mika a couple posts back ( thetrichordist.wordpress.com/2012....boss-full-post/ ) is a very valuable article. Just be prepared to read about business models and numbers and percentages for a while. ... In the end many of us are wondering how both label as well as artist can ever make any money and especially, how Adam will ever make any. I always roll my eyes at some of the interviewers talking about how Adam is now making the big bucks and want to shout: 'DJ-whoever, the 70s are over!' Big eye-roll! One thing the article mentioned, and that your great post made me think about, is to wonder why Adam leaves so much money on the table regarding merch. For most artists, the amount to be made off of merch seems fairly limited. Not so for Adam. Adam could make a mint just off of t-shirts. He could have a t-shirt series for Trespassing in which there was a shirt for every song with a different cool design. A Shady shirt ... a Cuckoo shirt ... a Pop That Lock Shirt ... Outlaws of Love ... some people would get one shirt and some people would collect the whole series. With today's digital printing, he could have sold thousands of commemorative shirts for "Trespassing -- #1 Album in America -- We Made History!" Thousands of fans plunking down their $29.95 plus $11 shipping, almost all of it pure profit for Adam. He could sell trading cards in a collectible series ... and a little book to put them in ... all kinds of small type things like mugs and key chains ... and big things like limited edition prints and jewelry and fragrance. Once the tour started, he could start a creative commons area where fans could upload pictures and then people could order digital photo books of those they liked, with Adam getting a cut. The fan base is so passionate, the possibilities seem endless. We would be thrilled to send our hard-earned shekels to Adam. I hope this is an area which will get some attention from DMG at some point.
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Post by mika on Jun 4, 2012 22:32:49 GMT -5
It finally happened - I snapped, broke my chains, and Norma Rae'd my @#$% radio. I don't know why it was the last straw but driving/clicking through two HAC and two CHR channels I have on preset, I heard not only a handful of current songs (some good, most not) but over and over the same lousy songs and worst of all - they were lousy songs from last summer. I came home and canceled my subscription. It was sweet. I got sat radio because it was very refreshing to be freed from inane local radio chatter and endless ads, - also I thought eventually I would hear Adam. But I really can't take listening to the same handful of 'artists' on repeat. No. More. I feel so free~~~ Now there's real music in my car again. Yep, that's all.
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Post by nica575 on Jun 4, 2012 22:53:57 GMT -5
It finally happened - I snapped, broke my chains, and Norma Rae'd my @#$% radio. I don't know why it was the last straw but driving/clicking through two HAC and two CHR channels I have on preset, I heard not only a handful of current songs (some good, most not) but over and over the same lousy songs and worst of all - they were lousy songs from last summer. I came home and canceled my subscription. It was sweet. I got sat radio because it was very refreshing to be freed from inane local radio chatter and endless ads, - also I thought eventually I would hear Adam. But I really can't take listening to the same handful of 'artists' on repeat. No. More. I feel so free~~~ Now there's real music in my car again. Yep, that's all. congratulations, mika. Welcome to the land of the free!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 23:22:37 GMT -5
I have always said Adam is going to take an unorthodox, new, never-trodden path to success. Now I am having to put my trust, belief, love where my rational mind has already gone. DIE RADIO DIE seems like a good place to start. Actually, I stopped listening years ago. I had thought about getting satellite radio and I really want to thank you, mika. You just saved me a whole lot of money. Here is a real sign I saw in Montana: We made it just the same, and came out in a beautiful spot.
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Post by mika on Jun 5, 2012 0:00:25 GMT -5
I think Adam will conquer radio and that NCOE will continue its climb. And I'm not letting up on my requesting. Radio needs a real Pop Star. I just realized that listening to top 40 radio wasn't making me happy and was limiting (for me). Hey, it seems like Adam listens to his iPod/iPhone all the time - why shouldn't I do the same?? :D I just think so much more could be done with Sat radio - it does have a lot of good niche and/or genre channels, but I just am not getting much out of it at this point so... I think there could be a 'smart' pop channel - with fresher selections and some actual comments about the music but I'm just a grump (And can get that from pod casts at home to be fair, but I miss the driving, listening to radio experience in the car...)
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Post by mirages on Jun 5, 2012 0:30:00 GMT -5
I have always said Adam is going to take an unorthodox, new, never-trodden path to success. Now I am having to put my trust, belief, love where my rational mind has already gone. DIE RADIO DIE seems like a good place to start. Actually, I stopped listening years ago. I had thought about getting satellite radio and I really want to thank you, mika. You just saved me a whole lot of money. Here is a real sign I saw in Montana: We made it just the same, and came out in a beautiful spot. Ooh, I love that sign, and the spirit in which it's offered. Does anyone else remember an old tv show starring John Laroquette, I think, where he had bottomed out as the manager of a bus station and he had a sign in his dumpy office torn off an amusement park, reading. "This is a dark ride." Indeed. So here's to the dark ride, the mystery tour, the rough break and the hope of a road less travelled but leading somewhere very good for Adam, whatever that means for him. And for each of us. One of the things I've loved best about him is his urging fans to "do what YOU do," to figure out what it is that we have to give the world, and just damn DO it. Still waiting to have all the courage it takes to do that myself, or maybe more the clarity -- usually when clarity is present, courage is not an issue. But, I digress ... ... and maybe digressions (and transgressions?) (trespasses) are what draws us to the dark side (by the way, love the decor ... as a child, always wanted to have what I called in my head an "oom room" furnished entirely in huge squishy pillows). I think we need more indigo, though -- may I add some big squishy indigo pillows? With tassels you can let fall through your fingers like silken rain? Ah, yes, I was trying to get to digressions when I digressed to tassels. Ever since Adam started talking about the dark and light sides, and especially since the BTKIM video, I've been thinking about all of this in the terms Neitzsche set out in his re-examination of Aristotle's assessment of the role of the arts (quick summary: catharsis) ... In "The Birth of Tragedy from the Spirit of Music," N takes a look at what he sees as the ideal society aspires to, the Appollonian world of light, order, reason. Everything is measured, structured, orderly, the classical Greek ideal of civilization creating Cosmos from Chaos. There is art, but it is also orderly -- it's Bach, not Beethoven (or Wagner, which is where Neitzsche really wants to go). But, he argues, ti is also somehow bloodless, lifeless. It's missing something. The other force he calls upon, the dark force, is Dionysius -- pure, primal life force, intuitive, creative, messy, completely uninterested in reason. It's ecstatic, and it's dangerous, but man, is it ALIVE. When I heard Adam talking about Dark and Light Adam, and how Light Adam, as reasonable and attractive as he seemed, was missing something and that it was Dark Adam who had the strength, those undeniable primal life-force urges that Light Adam needed, it all kinda clicked. I've seen Adam as a shaman or a sort of Dionysian priest leading devotees into ecstasies ever since WLL at Fantasy Springs. And then Brian May said this about Freddie: that as a man, Freddie was fairly shy, really, but that when he stepped onto stage, "he could become the god." And bingo, there it all was! Okay, have I zipped right past "dark" and gone right off the deep end? Mika, I love mer-people, too. My favorite dream ever, which became a favorite poem had me underwater, running out of air and then suddenly, miraculously able to breathe the water ... better than flying any day, in my book. it must be even more so for you, that promise of breathing freely anywhere. Juniemoon, love your writing, always have, just never said so (I don't post much, seem always to be way behind and also to have the power of Killer of Threads -- hope I don't do this one in!). Alison, you may be right that we should just move this to the salon. A slower, deeper, messier sort of conversational place to digress and trespass without worrying about being OT? Jamie, always love your posts, too. And CraazyforAdam, you've made some really good ones here and on the main thread. Lynne, you killed it right off the top (in a very good way). Forgive me for not naming everyone who has posted here ... I've read every one. And I know it got messy for a little while, but that's okay, too -- that's how every eruption of life and passion are at the beginning, before we start making them orderly (Okay, I have another theory that there's an opposing force to entropy in the world, but one that's no less a problem -- the tendency of people to squelch ecstatic outbursts of spirit with rules and regulations ... it's nobody's fault and is in fact unavoidable for people in groups, but well, something's lost but something's gained, I guess). Oh, and has anyone here read Koestler's "Darkness at Noon"? Gosh, that's a lot of random stuff to throw at a single post -- guess I'm just trying to see if any of this stuff is of interest to anybody out there.
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Post by mika on Jun 5, 2012 0:59:50 GMT -5
(I loved the John Laroquette show - he was a recovering alcoholic right and dating a local prostitute? (I may be remembering that part wrong...) It was an interesting mix of sitcom and edginess. Laroquette never got enough good roles. I liked his WestWing stint but it was too short.) Oh, and has anyone here read Koestler's "Darkness at Noon"? Gosh, that's a lot of random stuff to throw at a single post -- guess I'm just trying to see if any of this stuff is of interest to anybody out there. Hey Mirages - Always good to see you! (I was just reading a looonng Seamus Heaney interview in Paris Review where he talks about anxiety and determination coexisting but I couldn't find enough of a tie in to bring it over. Loonng, comprehensive, lol) I've read Darkness at Noon - (I just packed all my similar to that books up Saturday in fact) - what brings that sad book to mind? (Partly going through that particular section bks because of the not so good Hemingway/Gellhorn movie that was on this week.) And feel free to decorate. We can have a room where one wall is a giant aquarium and the whole room shimmers from the light.
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Post by mirages on Jun 5, 2012 2:16:52 GMT -5
[quote author=mirages board=daily thread=895 post=251964 time=1338874200 Oh, and has anyone here read Koestler's "Darkness at Noon"? Hey Mirages - Always good to see you! (I was just reading a looonng Seamus Heaney interview in Paris Review where he talks about anxiety and determination coexisting but I couldn't find enough of a tie in to bring it over. Loonng, comprehensive, lol) I've read Darkness at Noon - (I just packed all my similar to that books up Saturday in fact) - what brings that sad book to mind? (Partly going through that particular section bks because of the not so good Hemingway/Gellhorn movie that was on this week.) And feel free to decorate. We can have a room where one wall is a giant aquarium and the whole room shimmers from the light. [/quote] Ooh, the shimmery, watery light of an aquarium. Since it's the dark side, perhaps we could have creatures from deep in the sea where there's no light, theones that make their own? (Oh, that would make a nice segue to the opening lyrics of "Nirvana ...) I was thinking about Darkness at Noon while reading the opening pages of this thread, thinking how ironic in a way it was to have a sort of underground/rebellion against or in a place like Adamtopia, which was in itself a rebellion, too, or built by rebels from MJs in the old Planet Fierce days (yes, I've been lurking that long). One of the most haunting things about the Trotskyish protagonist is the way he himself begins to agree with Number One, the Stalin figure, that he is indeed a threat to the Revolutionary state, now that it is a statee, because he (Trostskyish protagonist) is at heart a revolutionary and has the potential tto rebel again, to step out of line, to dissent. Over the years I've been involved in the creation, growth and settling-in phases of a few different organizations, and I guess I saw some of the same energies and dynamics at work here, too ... I have nothing but respect and gratitude for Q3 and the mods who build and maintain this place, and who, I think, have done remarkably well building a community that goes by the spirit rather than the letter of the law almost all the time. The admin and mods mostly model what should be done, and only under duress quote the minnimal rules. I think it was crazy a few pages back who taled about other threads and their lifecycle and hhow new members perhaps wanted more puppies and rainbows and older members wanted to be able to be more dark or realistic ... I think that's part of it, too. Part of the dilemma for the folks who take it upon themselves to keep this place running is to maintain a sort of free rebel spirit while also maintaining order. It's a tall order and i think most of the time they do a great job. It's sort of like the Rolling Stones, who started as very rebellious rocker types and then became the establishment ... I watched the Scorcese ddocumentary on them recently and was at first finding them sort of ridiculous still doddering about on stage at their age (she says, not far from that age herself), and the it hit me that this was in a way maybe the bigger rebellion, to refuse to sit down and be quiet and go gentle into that good night, so good for them. I am not winding this up nicely and neatly partly because it's late and I should be sleeping but can't, partly because I don't want to re-open any discussion of the board, mods or why this thread was created (I actually think there was more humor in it than any sort of a diss), but have been musing a lot about what happens to the rebels who wind up in charge ... hence Darkness at Noon. Beautifully written book, all the interior struggle. Koestler also wrote a great biography of Copernicus, Kepler and Galileo called "The Sleepwalkers" -- have you read that, too? I'd be interested in a link to the article on anxiety and determination -- that's interesting and not immediately obvious. Are you changing jobs/homes, or between them?
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Post by mirages on Jun 5, 2012 9:20:55 GMT -5
...too few hours of sleep later, I guess what I was trying to say with the musing above is that a board like this is bound to attract more iconoclasts than usual ... that's what I love about it, even though I often feel like an outsider here, too -- that has more to do with me than with the board, though. I mean, we're here at all because we're somehow attracted to or chiming with or appreciating a larger-than-life, out-of-the-box character who likes playing with some pretty powerful energies, and who most of the time does so in some really sublime ways. And we've gravitated to the fan board about that character that has, I think, the most free and eccentric-embracing spirit I've seen. Given all that, I think the degree of harmony on the board nearly all the time is remarkable. I really hope the mods and admin know how much even the weird kids in the basement appreciate them.
Jamie, you brought up Runnin' the other day, and I also was struck by it and by Adam's comment that it was a very personal song ... that opening image of the steel, is it?, pressed to his trembling lips, "how did the night ever get like this?" made me think of the night he "came to" in a Finnish jail, hung over, alone, feeling so damn wretched, and maybe a moment of seeing a pattern of excess that had once looked like passion or fun, but which he could now see was really an attempt to numb out ("addicted to the numb, living in the cold" ... addictions seem so often to be an attempt not to feel, to feel something other than what we actually are and feel). I don't know if the song was written late in the cycle -- I doubt it was written late enough to have come after that event, but it just sounds like such a revelatory moment -- to realize that all that time he spent running after sensation and experience, seemingly running toward a vision of himself, he'd actually been running away from himself. And yet, the hopeful (I find it hopeful -- you could see it the other way) statement that, "I've been standing here my whole life, everything I've seen twice ..." -- that even though part of him has been paddling as fast as it can away from himself, his true self/heart, another part has always been standing right there, quietly, not running but standing, watching the universe send the lessons again and again, waiting till he decides to wake up and really live.
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Post by mirages on Jun 5, 2012 9:22:50 GMT -5
Oh dear, I'm sorry -- have I just messed up the board for everybody? Have to go to work now, too ... I tried just using the "quick reply" box at the bottom and this happened. Trying one more ...
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