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Post by mszue on Jun 11, 2012 16:03:07 GMT -5
I like your comments mika. I agree I was on shaky ground re the extrovert/introvert comments....we generally schemata-cize characteristics like talkativeness/openness/and extroversion in one group but they are by no means the same or even cohabiters...
Re snark...I can see your points...and the Gene Simmons comment is an excellent example of Adam-snark...and it was funny...and most of us gave a nod of appreciation for the wit and the humour...but...my initial point still stands. Snark is, to me at any rate, not kind or supportive. You can reach out to someone in kindness and shared interest with snark...but the actual target of the snark is being treated unkindly. They may or may not "deserve" the puncture, but a poke hurts regardless of its truth.
I am also not saying that I do not thoroughly enjoy some well placed snark...cause I do. I just feel a twinge of guilt later...sigh. So maybe it is the guilt I need to deal with!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 16:25:23 GMT -5
I am so behind. Welcome bullsfan and AleksandraKv! bullsfan, I see you most in the Numbers thread, which I resolved this weekend to give up for my own sanity. So I hope to see some of your ideas here too! AleksandraKv posts about Adam's music and lyrics. Imagine that! Aleksandra I agree with you that there have been some changes and it seems clear that the main news thread is being redefined strictly for news alone, so I'm glad you are here and maybe we can all ramble together. I loved what you wrote about Serbia. Often in the United States, we curb our own free speech with worrying about conformity. I think that is what the person meant who told you you had courage to post. Conformity -- being a good little Glambert -- becomes an end in itself. How many times lately have we seen people refer to themselves as "soldiers" -- embracing the "fan army" role. It's a role, but there is little room in it for artistic appreciation. mwp, welcome again. I certainly didn't feel cool in high school and don't feel cool now on Atop or any place else. I'm probably the biggest dweeb in the world. No Pharrell, I. I watched the Bill Cunningham video you posted and admit I have a hard time believing that the trend he predicts will make its way outside of NY. The video reminded me of the "macaroni" of the late 18th century. Young British dandies who had been on the Grand Tour of Europe came back in fashionable, foppish clothing, sporting around London in tight trousers, short, form-fitting waistcoats with ruffles and braid, and affectations such as walking sticks, spy glasses, and nosegays. The word macaroni came from the Italian word maccherone, meaning a blockhead or fool. Macaroni never caught on in the colonies/United States. Hence, the hayseeds here "stuck a feather in their caps" and called it macaroni. LOL. Loved all the posts about moms. My mom lived to be 80 and never stopped cheering me on. Downside? None except I find myself less motivated to create now that she is gone. mszue, thanks for the antidote to the "grass is greener" idea that many of us introverts have about the extroverted world. I think that in general, extroverts make better leaders. More comfortable with the messiness of incomplete ideas that you cited. Two of my hot buttons are condescension and snark and so I was never able to be a fan of Neil Lambert. He was very ill-suited to the role in which he was cast and I sincerely hope he does not work in fan relations again. I think Adam could be cut you to ribbons if he wanted to, as mika says. Probably more effectively than Neil with his blunt instruments and intent to show he's the smartest kid in the class. What is special about Adam is that he keeps the rapier sheathed almost all the time. He has a lot of self-control. I admit part of me would love to see it unleashed someday on the right person but rapier wit can have a hell of a back swing. I work with a man with a very witty sense of humor similar to Cheeks. Like Cheeks, he's a great guy but I just can't stand him. He pops off constantly with witticisms and you can't hold a routine rational conversation with him. I was standing next to him while we were watching the news coverage unfold on the morning of September 11, 2001, and he was cracking jokes. Talk about filters. You guys rock.
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 11, 2012 18:21:37 GMT -5
Hi juniemoon! Yeah, I have a lot of ideas, lol. Not many are very welcome right now in the numbers thread, I think. So, maybe I'll just post here until I have something more positive to contribute. I do think a peron can celebrate all the wonderful, awesome, and cool things Adam has coming up (and there are a lot) and still acknowledege that the numbers kind of suck. At the moment. It could change. Funny thing is, I am not really a "dark" person at all. And I'm not someone who came into this era with outrageous expectations. Anyway, this is a cool (although VERY hidden) thread. Balance is good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 23:54:01 GMT -5
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When I was in college in the late 80's we had an alternative program for those who where a bit...unconventional--they designed their own, often bizarre, majors and corresponding requirements and tended to be not only highly intellectual but also of the post-hippie persuasion. And, unfortunately, not very integrated with the general student body. One interim (semester course squeezed into 1 moth) I signed up for one of "their" classes that fit into my discipline (something about the arms race) because the cross-over seemed like an exciting idea.
My adventure started when I had to embark into their dorm, descend into the basement and find the assigned classroom, officially called "the meditation room". This small room had nothing but four inches of padding on floor and throw pillows everywhere. I picture the ceiling to be low but I think that must be because we all (prof included) spent the entire course lying down.
I loved it but never really felt like I totally fit in with the other classmates as they were all really comfortable there, smart and far better at picking out socially conscience music to use in our group presentation. When the month was over and the class ended I had to return to the life of lecture halls, desks in rows, distance between the prof and the students, and no far-out hippie music used to drive the points of research projects. It was more comfortable in the familiarity but not comfortable with it anymore either.
So....With the discovery of the dark side, I have lost my interest in the main thread. I don't do poetry and philosophy like you guys and I started off misrepresenting myself here in the beginning, but I would like to re-enter the basement and quietly lie on a pillow. More than anything Adam has made me THINK. And, although I am not one to quote poetry and philosophers, am fairly inarticulate (and I am likely to be lulled asleep on the floor during many discussions) I think this is the right kind of classroom to share my thoughts in.
I think Juniemoon was right when she tried to recruit on the main thread saying the dark sides survival depends on the number of visitors. If anyone thinks my return will give this place the wrong reputation I don't want you to be quiet about it. If not, let's get some "hippie" music playing in this dungeon!!
If you need an ATop/Adam tie-in, please watch and read below the song about the group who put this together. TOTALLY fits!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2012 1:42:50 GMT -5
I am up WAY too late--down the rabbit hole of course, so. I just watched Adam in the EMA's then went to Queens tweet with the G-A-Y Trespassing performance link. Maybe I am slow in getting it, but this song is the perfect answer to those Queen fans who don't think Adam should be fronting the band. Brian wrote "if anybody was in any doubt". Yesterday I assumed he meant if people were in doubt that he could rock (or siing) but today I am wondering if it was a direct answer to the die-hards. Probably not, but it does send that message anyway, if people take the time to really listen.
And I totally agree, juniemoon. Don't personally care if Adam makes superstardom. He's on stage with Queen, don't think it gets higher than that in my book.
But why does Adam want to top the charts when I believe he values quality over popularity? I think more than competitiveness with others it is I because he's been told no. He had people telling him he would never make it in this business. This inspires him. Making it to the top is the ultimate flipping off all who doubted him. I also think he is a practical businessman. The higher you go the more chance for longevity or at least enough riches to insure a future without the barriers he used to live with. I sense that security is something Adam really is looking for.
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Post by mika on Jun 12, 2012 4:58:27 GMT -5
I, like many, was drawn to Adam for his open heart and enthusiasm for all kinds of people and experiences. His joyful 'live and let live' encompassing embrace. And now in phase II everyone has spent months extolling the spirit of 'trespassing'. Indeed. Free expression is a pain in the ass, but the alternative hasn't traditionally led anywhere good. I'm going to curl up on a bench in the Moon Garden. (We've hung wind chimes about too.) I'm re-reading 'The Once and Future King'. I first read this book when I was an annoying teenager who rebelled against a boring English class by reading whatever I wanted behind my reader. More than any other book, it led me to ask the big questions, made it clear there were no easy answers, and shaped the person I became. It holds up so well - I admire it more than ever. (I wish Adam would tell us more about his books; I know he's branched far beyond Twilight books and I'd like to hear about it. #entitled) Was there a book like that for you? That touched your heart and mind at an impressionable age?
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Post by glittergma on Jun 12, 2012 8:19:53 GMT -5
Good Morning to all you *deep minded* people!! I prefer to refer to this thread as deep rather than dark now. So many interesting posts to read and mull over. Just wanted to let you all know I'm still hanging out here. Just that last week I was hiding under the pillows in the tent...lol! Weekend before last was just horrific at work. I pretty much lost all my self confidence at that point. If it could go wrong, it did and then some. I had my own little pity party for a few days and then, got out my notes and studied up as best I could. Actually called the gal I trained with and went over some things I was just not getting. This past weekend I went in to work with an attitude! A good attitude, that is. I decided that I was not going to let that damn computer program defeat me!! I went slowly, referred to my notes when necessary and asked questions when I had to. Different little glitches come up often that I had not been schooled on. Luckily, there is always someone there that has experience in vault management. AND>>>>>>>>>>I did it!!! YAY for me!! I balanced all 3 days and even figured out some things I didn't know all by myself. I can't even express how relieved I was everytime I clicked on the vault count and it balanced!! So, I've been hanging out in the moon garden (Hi Mika ), listening to the wind chimes and taking in the fresh night air. So relaxing there. I think I'll hang my Hawaiian bamboo wind chimes there also. They make such a mellow sound. I really appreciate all the exquisite posts and beautiful poems that have been posted here in the last week. They really give me a lot of insight into your lives, and I really enjoy that. I'd like to thank you all for just being here, writing things that would take my mind to another place other than stressful worrying and for giving me the courage to continue to try, even if you didn't know you were. LOL! Hope you can understand that rambling sentence. I'm back on the up side of the pillows in the tent now, and enjoying all that is good, here at the Deep Side. It's a wonderful, cool morning today. I have all the doors open for the kitties, and they are loving it. I'm going to put on my Trespassing CD and clean the heck outa this house!! Life is good!! 8-)
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Post by glittergma on Jun 12, 2012 8:22:53 GMT -5
Oh, and I meant to mention that I love all the good book references. I love to read and have forever. I need to get my kindle up and running so I can explore some of the recommendations here. So many interesting books to explore!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2012 10:00:25 GMT -5
"...There is more than one way to burn a book. And the world is full of people running about with lit matches. Every minority, be it Baptist/Unitarian, Irish/Italian/Octogenarian/Zen Buddhist, Zionist/Seventh-day Adventist, Women's Lib/ Republican, Mattachine/FourSquareGospel feels it has the will, the right, the duty to douse the kerosene, light the fuse. Every dimwit editor who sees himself as the source of all dreary blanc-mange plain porridge unleavened literature, licks his guillotine and eyes the neck of any author who dares to speak above a whisper or write above a nursery rhyme...." -Ray Bradbury
Speaking of books, I mourned the passing last week of a favorite author, Ray Bradbury. I think I read all of his books when I was a young person. He knew how to make prose sing, and his ideas have stood the test of time. RIP.
Welcome back kay. Pull up a pillow. Lay here, it's safe here. That was a lovely video you posted.
mika, we are kindred spirits because The Once and Future King was one of my top books that influenced me as well. In fact, I was thinking of it just a day or so ago in regards to Adam and Queen. "Our boy" truly pulled the sword from the stone, didn't he?
I have always loved books that are about something lost and wonderful and sad. Besides The Once and Future King, another book that made a huge impression on me was Captain Newman, M.D., by Leo Rosten. Rosten was an amazingly funny and wise writer (if you like language at all, you have to get The Joys of Yiddish).
The book takes place just after World War II, and is about GIs recuperating from what we would call PTSD in a hospital in the American Southwest. Each chapter concerns a different GI and his story, and Rosten treats them all with equal doses of humor, farce, compassion, and sadness. What it's really about is being restored to living, and learning to live with your weak, weird, wacked-out self.
glittergma, I say good for you for your hard work and determination on your job. I read in this morning's paper that Americans had lost 2 decades worth of personal assets in the last four years. Adam is fighting to make it in a world that is greatly changed even from 2009, and so are the rest of us.
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Post by momtomany on Jun 12, 2012 20:23:12 GMT -5
Hello! I am loving this deep, dark (?) thread. I so want to post, but right now my mind is devoid of anything meaningful to say. It's spinning in there. Keep writing, everyone! I feel surprisingly accepted, even as I peek through this door.
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