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Post by tigerlily on May 31, 2012 1:53:01 GMT -5
WSTW plays a lot of Idol music. They have built an audience based in part on this. I agree what the overnight spins on WSTW mean nothing -- this station is not a small insignificant station from a small insignificant place. It is from my hometown -- Wilmington DE. So be really careful or some of those Delaware Fighting Blue Hens will get you!!!   WSTW added and played BTIKM -- and they will eventually add NCOE. Just a matter of time. At #79, WSTW isn't exactly insignificant, but it isn't a Top 10 game-changer. Interestingly, this HAC station was one of the first to add BTIKM. They added BTIKM on 1/3/12 and it was an auto add. Maybe they are waiting for the second single to move up the chart a little bit before adding it. Like you, I'm sure it's not some great conspiracy in the state of Delaware to promote the straight Idols and boycott the gay one. If WSTW played BTIKM, they must be okay with the gay Idol. Which brings me to this later comment that I agree with: We do not know what is going on with Q102 not adding NCOE yet but there is no chance that after supporting Adam, adding WWFM, IIHY and BTIKM, and putting WWFM Q102 into Power Rotation, that they suddenly noticed Adam was gay and decided to not play his new single. I'm still looking for a good explanation for this! Why did radio stations fully support the gay guy last album era, but not this one? Did they just figure out that Adam was gay? lol |
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 2:00:06 GMT -5
Allegory: That was a fascinating read. Thank you!! I've always felt that Adam would have to make it overseas first and I think that is what is going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't move over there at some point. His relationship with Sauli might make it even more possible and yes, he probably is becoming more cynical, who wouldn't. I have Said this so Many times and I think It's worth repeating again ie America has the greatest influence on Pop culture all over the world than it being the other way round. If no one believes this, just take a peek at the official music charts of countries round the world. You would see more American artists on those than you would see their own no. 1 selling artists on the American charts. Countries esp markets in Europe fashion their their playlists on what is charting in America, so saying an American artist would make it first in EU and then cross over is only a fallacy. Most of those countries wld also not play you if you are not charting in your own country of America. Does anyone remember how WWFM started smashing all over the world the moment it was charting in the US? Compare the performance to that of BTIKM that America radio refused to support. It also flopped world wide and did not chart half as good as IIHY or WWFM. Adam needs US radio. Let his song start charting in the US and you wld see all Those other countries radio lords that used to love spinning his songs jumping over themselves to do it again. Secondly, assuming he catches a break outside the US, that too can hardly sustain a career. The Scissor Sisters anyone? They were pretty big in Europe At some point, but where are they now? Why aren't those EU radio lords still Spinning them? Well it is becos they discovered they are not stars where they come from. Everybody wants to hop on on the bandwagon of what is hip in town. That unfortunately is just the truth and the nature of the beast. As a fan I definitely do not want their kind of career for Adam. It is such a pity the American radio system has so much power and controls what consumers consume. |
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 2:09:37 GMT -5
WSTW plays a lot of Idol music. They have built an audience based in part on this. I agree what the overnight spins on WSTW mean nothing -- this station is not a small insignificant station from a small insignificant place. It is from my hometown -- Wilmington DE. So be really careful or some of those Delaware Fighting Blue Hens will get you!!! WSTW added and played BTIKM -- and they will eventually add NCOE. Just a matter of time. At #79, WSTW isn't exactly insignificant, but it isn't a Top 10 game-changer. Interestingly, this HAC station was one of the first to add BTIKM. They added BTIKM on 1/3/12 and it was an auto add. Maybe they are waiting for the second single to move up the chart a little bit before adding it. Like you, I'm sure it's not some great conspiracy in the state of Delaware to promote the straight Idols and boycott the gay one. If WSTW played BTIKM, they must be okay with the gay Idol. Which brings me to this later comment that I agree with: We do not know what is going on with Q102 not adding NCOE yet but there is no chance that after supporting Adam, adding WWFM, IIHY and BTIKM, and putting WWFM Q102 into Power Rotation, that they suddenly noticed Adam was gay and decided to not play his new single. I'm still looking for a good explanation for this! Why did radio stations fully support the gay guy last album era, but not this one? Did they just figure out that Adam was gay? lol My take on this is because they are playing a game of politics maybe? Adam has indicated this politics stuff in some of his interviews, why he decided to call his album 'Trespassing' becos of the feeling he got from the industry that they don't want his type and his last video he recently released also has that undertone message. The band on his arm is said to indicate someone leading a rebellion as some fans have researched it's significance. So playing him in the first era might be their way of playing with the public perception by confusing them with saying, they played him before so that they can't easily cry - homophones against them? |
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Post by tigerlily on May 31, 2012 2:22:40 GMT -5
That reasoning is pretty far-fetched! So, hundreds of radio stations got together on some giant conference call to plot out a way to build the gay guy up so they could knock him down on the next era? BTW, the top artists in other countries are not always from the US, nor are they the same as in the US. Look at the Top 10 iTunes album chart from multiple countries around the world: www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10albums.htmlAs you can see, every country varies on the artists they currently have in their Top 10 albums. |
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 2:28:34 GMT -5
I, personally, think it's going to take success overseas for Adam to get any kind of respect over here on radio. I know this isn't popular to say, but BTIKM and NCOE were not respresentative of Adam's album and if that's all people have heard, then they aren't going to be jumping all over this album. Why,oh why, did they not just take a chance and put out Cuckoo or Trespassing, or Naked Love, or whatever. Any of them would have been better but they are too scared to try. The problem is that the safe way isn't working either. They need to go balls to the wall and let Adam's songs lose. I don't think they have anything to lose at this point. Rant over. This is a funny read to me and I am sorry for saying this as I wouldn't want you to take it personal. Do you really think the US PDs would play those not so save songs in contrast to what the label has given them as singles especially for an artist named Adam? What happened when he led his first era with a more in your face and risky song? See, radio has all the power to make any song a hit. All they need to do is spin it every 1 hour of the brain brainwashing people with it until it is so stuck in your head that you want it on your iPod. Take a look at the songs charting, they are charting because they get exposed to over a 100million audience listening on a daily basis. And mind you, there are some that are not automatic with the public, that radio pushes however long it takes the public to give in. Orianthi's hit is one of those examples and there are presently some ie Rita Ora's that radio is bent on breaking. The power ultimately lies with radio |
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 2:40:25 GMT -5
That reasoning is pretty far-fetched! So, hundreds of radio stations got together on some giant conference call to plot out a way to build the gay guy up so they could knock him down on the next era? BTW, the top artists in other countries are not always from the US, nor are they the same as in the US. Look at the Top 10 iTunes album chart from multiple countries around the world: www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10albums.htmlAs you can see, every country varies on the artists they currently have in their Top 10 albums. Yes it is easy for them to get together since they are owned by the same 5 or 6 firms. You need to tell me how radio knows when to pull a plug on a song for example. I have noticed when a song starts peaking for instance, several radio stations pull the plug almost at the same time. There must be an agreement among them as to how high or low a song must go and they work to accomplish that. Every coglomerate has board meetings especially one where the corporates decide what get done and that is very basic economy 101. Secondly can you pull out how many foreign artists not from Britain there are charting in the US despite their popularity in their own regions? You would see American artists all over every country chart than you would see their own no.1 charting star on an American music chart. Bringing up the album chart is twisting the discussion a bit in my opinion since artists not named Adele generally sell singles heard on the radio than an album. Why not link to the singles sale charts instead? And this is another article that might interest you. Note this is one of Adams Primary markets in fye era and his album recently debuted top 10 there from his existing fan base since he is presently not enjoying radio support there: www.auspop.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/adam-lambert-never-close-our-eyes.html |
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 2:42:54 GMT -5
Adam has done everything he humanly can to get his album selling and his single moving. Seriously, what more can he do? Now his management needs to get to work in the US to get him more mainstream exposure. I would say his label needs to do more, as well, but I don't think there is anything more they can do. Adam has a #1 album, you know RCA wanted nothing more than to have a single hitting hard on radio. I have come to the conclusion, that at least when it comes to Adam, RCA has done about all they can do. If they could do more they would have done it already. The local KISS station in Dallas tweeted the link to Toby Knapp's blog post re: the music vid yesterday, which had a link to the video and aske for feedback. I tweeted them that I loved it. I saw where Y100 Miami did the same. So the stations are asking for feedback from their listeners. I can only assume they will make their decision on the feedback they get. I am trying to adjust my mindset---I kept waiting for RCA to perform some kind of magic. I honestly thought they probably had about 10-15 big CHR adds in the can for the week Adam's album went #1, the video debuted, and the single impacted radio. What I am realizing is that it is going to be a long haul. Kind of a "IIHY long haul" I am just going to watch the spins, wait for recurrents, and see how high the song can get. I do feel a little nervous for album. This amazing album, that went #1, is on a slide. And I don't know what will be there to stop it. eta---sorry for the long, angsty post, lol. It is just how I feel. The funny thing about this fandom, though, is just when you start to feel a little down, something good usually happens to pick you back up. It is a roller coaster I don't think Adam can do any more either. He's been visiting stations across the country since March. He's done radio concerts for the major stations on the east coast. He's done interviews for shows who just happened to catch him in the hallway. He's done everything short of camp outside this stations. I would have thought those big CHR stations would have been lined up for adds on impact week, especially since Adam did shows for them. One of the things that truly baffled me was that FMBQ ad that RCA took out, stating that Q102 and KISS Boston were early adders, and they haven't added NCOE. If they're playing the other artists that were booked for these shows, why aren't they playing Adam? Specifically I'm talking about Q102 and KISS Boston. Giving it 1 spin a day and during off peak hours is not giving it a fair shake. It's just not. This just reeks of something higher on a corporate level that is political in nature. And since a handful of media conglomerates own the bulk of the radio stations in the US, they control 95% of the airplay. I am happy to be agreeing with you for the first time. 100% THIS! |
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 2:57:23 GMT -5
He just can't catch a break on radio. They really don't want to play him ( along with everybody else off Idol that isn't named Kelly, I should add). I don't get it. What has changed so much in just a couple years? Right now, the song isn't even being given a chance---spins overnight and from fan voting/games aren't any way for music to reach an audience. Stefano got 9 adds this week and 10 from his adds day that was last week and he is currently charting higher than Adam on Pop. And contrary to what some here are saying that his AI is low, that is not entirely true. He is played and has been added to Sirius 20 that does not report AI, so there is no way of telling what his actual AI is. And he is from Idol. I believe he is getting CHR play because of his song and is being marketed to that format same like Adam except that mainstream radio has a hidden agenda against Adam. How Stefano who does not have 10% of his buzz or anything can be faster added to radio and even chart currently higher than him also tells this story. Mind you, this single of his despite being debuted on AI did not crack the Billboard, yet radio is not requiring it to sell gigantic first like Adam's songs are expected to do before adding it nor do fans have to vote on some stupid polls for him to get a spiserly spin since he finished 8th his season and does not have near as big as Adam's fanbase to request the song. |
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 3:21:50 GMT -5
I don't think it's about catching a break. I just had this discussion w another fan only an hour ago. Blames/excuses of lack of adds, of older fan base, or not a strong fan base just shadows the one reason I believe the resistant of spins. The big "G" IMO I watched AGT last night, a male dance group came on scantily dressed and suggestive moves, and immediately the two males judges just about puked on the sides. Well isn;t that telling? Adam has an incredible voice, has a Bruno Mars song, #1 album, decent fan base, then why the blackballing ok bringing this back to #'s. It seems like the album is nosediving on amazon, the single isn't even in the 100's, will requesting get this song on radio. Again Q102 played the song last night at 10 PM on the countdown. I'm disgusted w/them. I went to the radio promo and the room was full of tweenies and only two adults. SO stop blaming the old fans for the lack of adding But since he has had a few TOp 40 stations add him, let's see what spins he gains this week. I'm just as frustrated as some of you. It seems that UK is accepting him so maybe he will gained hugh status over there. Is sirius spinning NOCE? No Sirius isn't spinning yet, but spins the Bruno/Adam matched up one ocassionaly like during his last concert or whatever it's called with them. They haven't added either. And I agree with you on what the problem is. Using the old fan base meme that some Fans unfortunately are helping to spread that stereotype is only an excuse since all evidences have proved this is not true. How the radio PDs ie the ones that claim this close their eyes to the younger fans that show up and get fixated on the few older ones instead speaks of desperation and wanting to just give a dog a bad name in order to hang it. And his songs are definitely not the problem either since they are universally raved on with the exception of EW by the same professional reviewers that pick some of the other hits on the radio. I personally have Read tweets from djs and other industry insiders raving about how great the album is and some of those are Z100 djs (I know they don't decide what gets Played, but they work in the industry that plays the hits, and so I trust their judgement when they rave about a song since they are familiar with what get played and are in a way industry insiders based on the nature of their job). |
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Post by gbam on May 31, 2012 3:47:57 GMT -5
I, personally, think it's going to take success overseas for Adam to get any kind of respect over here on radio. I know this isn't popular to say, but BTIKM and NCOE were not respresentative of Adam's album and if that's all people have heard, then they aren't going to be jumping all over this album. Why,oh why, did they not just take a chance and put out Cuckoo or Trespassing, or Naked Love, or whatever. Any of them would have been better but they are too scared to try. The problem is that the safe way isn't working either. They need to go balls to the wall and let Adam's songs lose. I don't think they have anything to lose at this point. Rant over. Couldn't agree with you more, but at this point, it is what it is. They chose NCOE as the single and put out the money to make a video for it, just as they did for BTIKM. From Pollo Del Mar's interview with Adam, for Gloss Magazine, the answer Adam gave to the question re: single choice, "it was what radio showed the most interest in." I never took it as a ringing endorsement from radio when I heard the tone in his voice when he said that. All we can do at this point is request. I truly think there are some stations out there that would love to play Adam but their hands are tied by corporate. If none of them wanted to support him, they wouldn't tweet out links to his video and ask for feedback. The question is, what kind of feedback are they getting and from how many people? We have no idea of knowing. I don't think the gay issue is really the issue. If stations had no interest at all, they wouldn't bother to book them for their radio concerts or seek out feedback for the music video. They would just take the easy way out and say "We're not interested." As far as Durbs and KA, they're not getting CHR play. It's been a long haul for TVOL to get as far as it has so far on HAC. And as far as JC Penney, they stood up to the homophobes. The iTunes sales are not helping either. It's been stalled out at #144 in pop today, but WWFM is now up to #103 in pop, up from #116 from just a few hours ago. Go figure. WWFM was a hit while this is just climbing. Even the no. watchers on mjs that are mostly not Adam's fans say that songs people are faintly familiar with does well with a little promotion than one consumers are not familliar with. That is why radio is very important as the repeated overly spins builds that familiarity with consumers who eventually like them enough to buy them, so WWFM presently charting higher supports this theory. In addition to this, I am very sure WWFM is still receiving more recurrent spins on the radio than NCOE. It also took almost 3 months for BTIKM to surpass its recurrent spins on the radio. Idol Chatter on US Today can help with this if anyone was wondering. I happen to be one of the few fans that link his struggle on the radio to the gay. Being invited to participate on a radio concert does not make one less homophobic. Thernis something called 'eye service' and diplomacy. Not everyone is bold enough to blatantly discriminate. Some like to toy with the public perception of things. How someone this popular, buzzed about, has a number 1 album, a respectable Fan base, collective raved about songs and not to talk of his talent struggles so hard to get on the radio definitely has something more going on behind that is pretty ugly. How Stefano could get more Pop adds and be charting above him is mind-buggling also. Even when and if US radio eventually grants Adam that hit, it still wouldn't stop me being angry at the system. I just hate watching him struggle so hard for what comes easily to the others and I generally hate double standard. |
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