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Post by cassie on Jun 10, 2012 22:31:43 GMT -5
Doesn't look like anyone answered your question. I assume this means that the record company, in the contract, stated their intention to release and market Adam's music internationally, not just in the US. Adam is defusing what could have been insulting comments about KA not being known in Canada. Since KA's contract only focused on the US market, he would not be promoted or well-known in Canada.
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Post by mangokat on Jun 10, 2012 22:36:43 GMT -5
SusieFierce, I sent you a PM.
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Post by Q3 on Jun 10, 2012 22:47:58 GMT -5
I think Cassie is right -- Adam's comment was not so much about his contract but more intended to explain why they did not know Kris in Canada.
The CKX/19 Recordings contracts cover global release rights -- Kris and Adam are both signed to 19 Recordings and then licensed to Sony Music Entertainment. And both of Kris' albums were released "worldwide".
Kris' first album was released in a number of countries --- including Canada, Mexico, Japan, UK and the EU.
Kris' second album was also released in the US, Canada, Mexico, UK, and several other countries.
I think Adam said he had an "international record deal" and Kris had a domestic deal -- I think he might be referring to his promotion vs. Kris' promotion and that is beyond the recording contract.
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Post by tinafea on Jun 10, 2012 22:54:09 GMT -5
New thread is upNight all 
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Post by adamme on Jun 10, 2012 23:12:17 GMT -5
I think Cassie is right -- Adam's comment was not so much about his contract but more intended to explain why they did not know Kris in Canada. The CKX/19 Recordings contracts cover global release rights -- Kris and Adam are both signed to 19 Recordings and then licensed to Sony Music Entertainment. And both of Kris' albums were released "worldwide". Kris' first album was released in a number of countries --- including Canada, Mexico, Japan, UK and the EU. Kris' second album was also released in the US, Canada, Mexico, UK, and several other countries. I think Adam said he had an "international record deal" and Kris had a domestic deal -- I think he might be referring to his promotion vs. Kris' promotion and that is beyond the recording contract. I think Sony releases every idols albums in some of Asian countries and in Canada too (and countries where Idol's popular or countries where they get to see AI) . What I don't understand is why most of them don't get the promotion. |
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Post by isitjustme on Jun 10, 2012 23:22:56 GMT -5
I cringe when listening to the first singer, the second singer's better IMO. Imagine if Adam singing this.. Nobody is better than the second singer ... that's Freddie. Or were you just joking? |
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Post by willowgarden on Jun 10, 2012 23:31:05 GMT -5
I think Cassie is right -- Adam's comment was not so much about his contract but more intended to explain why they did not know Kris in Canada. The CKX/19 Recordings contracts cover global release rights -- Kris and Adam are both signed to 19 Recordings and then licensed to Sony Music Entertainment. And both of Kris' albums were released "worldwide". Kris' first album was released in a number of countries --- including Canada, Mexico, Japan, UK and the EU. Kris' second album was also released in the US, Canada, Mexico, UK, and several other countries. I think Adam said he had an "international record deal" and Kris had a domestic deal -- I think he might be referring to his promotion vs. Kris' promotion and that is beyond the recording contract. Ahhhhh. This explains a lot and it is very interesting. Thank you Q3. Susie and Cassie for answering my question. |
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Post by bobo on Jun 10, 2012 23:38:47 GMT -5
I was very intrigued about the V hand sign discussion. I had no idea that it meant anything more than Victory or Peace. 7. The “V Sign”
The age-old ‘V sign’ comes in two formats: one with the palm faced outwards, and one with the palm inwards. In America the two hand signals mean the same thing – ‘victory’, as popularised by Richard Nixon, or ‘peace and love’, which seemed to become the primary meaning after anti-Vietnam protesters used it during the 60s.
'Um, sir? You just told the entire population of London to go screw themselves'However, if the outside of your hand is facing your target, you’re giving somebody a long-established insult in Great Britain and many English-speaking countries such as Australia, Ireland and New Zealand. Winston Churchill famously used the ‘incorrect’ version of the V sign during the early years of the war, switching round later when he’d been told by his advisors that he wasn’t exactly giving the lower social orders a positive message. The V sign is also considered rude in Italy, especially if you place your nose between the two fingers, making the gesture resemble a crude vagina.
I myself have almost seen a fight start as a result of an American tourist ordering drinks in an English pub: when asked how many pints he wanted, he simply stuck two fingers up and looked straight into the eyes of the barman – perfectly normal on the other side of the Atlantic (it’s actually the signal for the number 2 in American Sign Language), but it’s fighting talk to the British.Link t o this and 10 more: www.languagetrainers.co.uk/blog/2007/09/24/top-10-hand-gestures/I think Sauli probably knew it had two meanings and did it as a clever joke. If not, it was a very clever accidental example of Broken English. I'd guess too that Sauli knew the two meanings of it and it was a joke. There really are big culturel differences. If you show the "fuck sign" in Finland, it's mostly considered as a joke and not as an insulting (at least among adults). You can also use the fuck word here in radio and TV without any problems. :  |
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Post by LindaG23 on Jun 10, 2012 23:51:10 GMT -5
Nobody is better than the second singer ... that's Freddie. Or were you just joking? - there is a second singer who comes on later in the first video. The second video is all Freddie. |
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Post by Craazyforadam on Jun 10, 2012 23:52:03 GMT -5
Adam mentions in a Canadian interview that he has an international contact, while KA only had a domestic one. My question is, why is this news? Did we not know this all along? By the way, I agree that Adam used it in this case to deflect the interviewers question about Kris. But the information itself is imo not new. The official contract announcement had that world wide aspect in there for Adam, vs 'millions of Americans' is what is used in Kris' case. Tried to find the texts for you and found it quoted on this site below, but the original source document seems not to come up in google search, so sorry for the obscure reference, but I am glad I found it here. Comparing the two texts is actually quite revealing. www.zimbio.com/Adam+Lambert/articles/560/Kris+Allen+Adam+Lambert+Sign+Record+DealsSecondly: An attempt was made after the finale of season 8 to give Adam an ‘equivalent’ deal, that is to threat winner and runner-up equally, and idol went out of their way to announce publicly that this was being done. By no means was that done in all other years prior or other years since. We can all make assumptions as to the details, and fan theories were spun endlessly about this in 2009, but there is no question that an attempt was made to publicly make it seem this way. This is quoted from MJs: www.mjsbigblog.com/kris-allen-and-adam-lambert-label-signings-idol-tour-and-wal-mart-appearance.htm"No matter the label, 19 Entertainment head, Iain Pirie, insists 19 will not play favorites when it comes to promoting their winner and runner up. Clipped from a billboard.biz subscription-only article: Lambert and Allen are planning their solo debuts with 19 Entertainment, and the company says it’s equally invested in the recording and promotion of both. “It wouldn’t even enter our heads to think about prioritizing anyone over anyone else,” says Iain Pirie, head of 19 Entertainment U.S. “Kris has a very real, organic approach to his music, and Adam has a very contemporary and expressive way of performing. We’re absolutely thrilled with both of them, and they both have their own niche. There’s almost no overlap between the two artists, which is a dream situation.” " I also vaguely recall an interview that was given by one of the 'suits' from idol, where he confirmed that Adam and Kris received virtually equal contracts and when asked why they did not make them completely equal he responded that their situations were different and that ie Adam was licensed to RCA and marketed as a global artist right from the start. I could not find that interview anymore though and do not know who was speaking, so it is also hard to search, perhaps somebody recalls which interview that might have been, because of course 3 years later the details do become vague. We also know from the NYTimes article that at least the advances and a few other payments for KA and Adam were quite different (KA's were higher), so obviously something else must have weighed in Adam's favor, if they "overall" were supposed to be equal. I thought that the going assumptions always was that Adam got the commitment to be marketed as a global artist from the get-go and that this was what leveled the playing field. That last part is of course guess work on parts of the fandom, as we do not know all the details, but we do know three things: 1) An attempt was made to treat Adam and Kris as equals – and it was announced in a contractual context 2) KA got more upfront money, extra payments, if NYT research is to be trusted 3) Adam was to be marketed as global artist Why is the fact that Adam had a global promotion contract all of a sudden news? Adam was quick on his feet and very good hearted to use the contract difference as the obvious explanation on why Kris is not heard from in Canada, avoiding thereby the implied message. But the contractual info itself is not news, to the best of my knowledge, so I was actually surprised to read here that many thought it was new. |
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