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Post by LindaG23 on Jul 2, 2012 17:59:24 GMT -5
I love this place. Juniemoon, that is one of my favorite scenes of all time. Only the adjective MYTHIC can describe it. I swear someone at Atop always knows the best .... well .... everything and yes it is a perfect example of emotions I felt during Kiev.
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Post by irish1139 on Jul 2, 2012 21:56:49 GMT -5
Re the concert in Kiev. It has taken me until tonight to peel myself off the ceiling. I feel such incredible joy in my heart. I haven't stopped crying or smiling for three days. I have seen Elvis, the Beatles, MJ. etc. (most of the greats) but no entertainer and no man has moved me until Adam Lambert walked around the corner of American Idol. I have been in this incredible bubble since then. He has opened my mind and heart at this late date in my life to joy, thrills, being a fan, and opening myself to people that I would never have met. Adam makes me want to live as long as I can. I was so proud of the way he handled himself in Kiev. I was so proud to see the relationship that has developed with Brian and Roger. They love him just like we do. They support him just like we do. The concert was epic. Brian and Roger were in their element for the first time in a long time. How happy they all were. I felt such joy watching that concert. Adam was brilliant as we all knew he would be. I can't even adequately express myself still. It was so overwhelming. I am so grateful to be here to see Adam and all he is accomplishing.
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Post by mika on Jul 2, 2012 22:26:42 GMT -5
Junie, I have to admit I don't share your view of the state of the arts at all really  I don't think the entertainment industry is dissolving - evolving, going through seriously bumpy adaptation - yes, certainly. We tend to forget that as with every major historical shift there are losses even with most positive advances. The beginning of something new is inevitably the ending of something else. I think it's always tempting to view the past in a bit of a golden light - letting the less pleasant aspects fade. And, really, Harry Cohn was a horrible bully and a small-minded man. Catering to the lowest common denominator will always be profitable and there's nothing wrong with providing entertainment to the less discerning, esp when it helps fund more interesting projects. However, if one goes by the 'numb ass' litmus test, one is likely to lose films like Lawrence of Arabia (the first movie that really changed my world), Amadeus, Fanny and Alexander - not to mention Shoah. Nor do I think we are seeing a time when current arts/entertainment execs have suddenly lost trust in their judgement, trying to second guess audiences. (I do think they are all struggling with how to adapt to new global models to ensure enough profits to keep their industries and artists in kibble.) But, while art and commerce continue their eternal struggle in a different guise, the last few years have still seen not just good films, albums, books, etc. - but great ones. And many wouldn't have happened without the support and vision of 'suits.' With age I definitely feel the increasing temptation, but I am not a nostalgist - I treasure the classic but don't want to rest there. I am prepared to be pragmatic, proactive, and knee kicking in support of Adam as an original artist - and not on a song by song basis. I think a change in tactics would be interesting but don't think it's going to happen and that this may, in this case, be for the best. At any rate, Adam is a very smart cookie and isn't depending on us or anyone else to fight this battle for him. |
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Post by mika on Jul 2, 2012 22:34:33 GMT -5
I love this place. Juniemoon, that is one of my favorite scenes of all time. Only the adjective MYTHIC can describe it. Random trivia note: the great cinematographer for 'The Natural', Caleb Deschanel is the dad of actresses Zooey & Chloe. (I was a cinematographer fankid~ yes I was a strange child  |
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Post by LindaG23 on Jul 3, 2012 4:36:46 GMT -5
I love this place. Juniemoon, that is one of my favorite scenes of all time. Only the adjective MYTHIC can describe it. Random trivia note: the great cinematographer for 'The Natural', Caleb Deschanel is the dad of actresses Zooey & Chloe. (I was a cinematographer fankid~ yes I was a strange child I am glad you were a strange child. Yesterday my son and I were watching Jeopardy and the question was who was the director of Casablanca and when the answer was given, I realized that I had no idea. I can tell you the actors, famous scenes, music, storyline, everthing but did not recognize the director's name. Sad. My son said that he had been talking to a friend about this very thing ... actors are remembered but not the directors/cinematographers/writers etc. who create the art. Sure it must be manifested to become a complete work of art but I am glad there are strange kids out there who think about these things. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 6:48:56 GMT -5
mika -- a straw man argument? You? Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, though, seriously, who really cares about comparing the relative merits of work that got the OK from a focus group vs. Harry Cohn's butt test? I admit I don't see a lot of greatness slipping through the cracks ... LOL. The overall point is making an end run around both of them and that is what today is all about ... another glorious day to be an Adam fan. At times our own light goes out and is rekindled by a spark from another person. Each of us has cause to think with deep gratitude of those who have lighted the flame within us. -- Albert Schweitzer
Go boys go! On to Moscow!
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Post by mika on Jul 3, 2012 14:39:46 GMT -5
mika -- a straw man argument? You? Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, though, seriously, who really cares about comparing the relative merits of work that got the OK from a focus group vs. Harry Cohn's butt test? I admit I don't see a lot of greatness slipping through the cracks ... LOL. The overall point is making an end run around both of them and that is what today is all about ... another glorious day to be an Adam fan. At times our own light goes out and is rekindled by a spark from another person. Each of us has cause to think with deep gratitude of those who have lighted the flame within us. -- Albert Schweitzer
Go boys go! On to Moscow! Uh, okay. It is indeed another glorious day to be an Adam fan, an American, and don't forget to support the troops sweating it out in less hospitable places. |
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Post by ksha518 on Jul 4, 2012 0:09:28 GMT -5
 Hello moon gardeners. A little birdie told me about this place. I am very late posting on these *dark* threads but I was following closely for a while on the original surviving dark thread. I adore the RMT photo above that was posted by mika on page one of that thread. Adam looks like he is emerging from the pages of a fairy tale, or a Shakespearean dream world. I haven't been able to follow the conversations much in the last few weeks because there have been too many distracting things going on in RL. I remember wanting to respond to a post by Mszue on page 12 of the dark thread. In fact, here is part that I copied: This quote addresses the struggle I have frequently with myself regarding Adam fandom. I think there is a fine line to walk. And I often feel, for myself, that my 'stanning' of Adam falls into the category of taking me away from my life rather than opening me up to it. Which seems counter to everything Adam stands for. He is so incredibly present (apparently) in his own life and interactions, and yet giving in to my fascination with him and his *presence* often prevents me from being truly present in my own life. Which is an issue for me that predates my fascination with Adam. So in a way I am glad that RL has distracted me from fandom lately. I keep trying to find a balance. At any rate, I adore that these threads (first the dark thread, and now this one) are creating space for conversation and discussion. I wish I had been able to keep up with them and participate more in the beginning, but would love to do so a little more in the future (while still maintaining some kind of a grip on my real life..). I'm pretty bored with the repetitive Idol-based discussions and much of the other routine business of fandom. And while I'm generally optimistic and upbeat about Adam's career and his future, I was drawn to the 'darker' threads early on because of both the substance and depth of the conversations, and the tolerance for diverse opinions. And the beautiful thoughts and pictures! So mwah! to the Moon Garden! Tonight there was a wonderful moonrise sky - wispy pink clouds against a fading blue sky and a bright silvery moon. And I wondered how weird it must be for Adam to go back to his hotel room (I assume they let him rest before traveling) in the wee hours and try to chill after such a night - after truly unfurling all that spectacular talent for the better part of two hours with the energy of a kajillion people focused directly on him -- all while meeting and exceeding the expectations of legendary musicians. I'm sure there were some emotional phone calls with the loved ones but after that maybe he just put it away and went to sleep or played Angry Birds or something. He seems to be savoring every moment and then moving on to what's next. As it should be. Mika, I enjoy your posts, and I love this one as I've had similar thoughts, wondering how it must feel to go from something so surreal as these concerts to the quiet of his own room and his own thoughts. And your conclusion is perfect. Oops, I just previewed this post, and it seems that the large photo is messing up the format of the page. But it's worth it, isn't it?? |
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Post by mika on Jul 4, 2012 2:22:27 GMT -5
I think there is a fine line to walk. And I often feel, for myself, that my 'stanning' of Adam falls into the category of taking me away from my life rather than opening me up to it. Which seems counter to everything Adam stands for. He is so incredibly present (apparently) in his own life and interactions, and yet giving in to my fascination with him and his *presence* often prevents me from being truly present in my own life. Which is an issue for me that predates my fascination with Adam. So in a way I am glad that RL has distracted me from fandom lately. I keep trying to find a balance. Welcome Ksha - I recognize a fellow late night poster! I don't see the photo messing up the page. It's beautiful. I think some of us struggle regularly with what you describe above. Adam as inspiration instead of object. So tempting to fall into the beauty of the voice and person - the strong spirit and passion - and just allow ourselves to be carried along, part of something greater. Anyway, I've always been a moon lover but now I look up every night. And tonight the moon is full -ready to burst - and blindingly bright after the rain. Ksha, please come when you can and say whatever you like. “You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2012 7:09:49 GMT -5
Welcome, ksha518.  I have thought a lot lately about the lack of balance that can be caused by fandom, especially because of the Internet. I have been a fan before but it just wasn't possible to use it to escape from life to this degree before social networking. I sometimes think that 500 years ago, "stans" would have been those who became monks or nuns or druids or whatever, abandoning the physical world for a spiritual plane. But now there's no societal support structure for that and it leads to fandom and then this uneasy knowledge of imbalance. |
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