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Post by nikki on Jun 20, 2012 23:48:56 GMT -5
OK, gang ... A couple of people in private messages last night expressed a concern about our Welcome Mat statement. That it, in essence, leaves the door open for [searches for politically correct bullshit term to insert -- aha!] individuals to come in and bludgeon the thread out of existence take it over as the community at large searches for safe places to post their thoughts. I am not sure there is any combination of words and letters that could prevent that, but I decided to take another crack at it. See what you think. Suggestions? The addition is in blue. Once we agree on something I will ask Jamie to put it in the original post under the Moon picture. *** The Moon Garden Lounge is dedicated to the discussion of ALL things Adam, broadly defined, from the serious to the fun-loving. Nothing is sacred, including the idea that nothing is sacred. There are no limits on the ideas that can be expressed or the questions that can be asked here. Here is the place for talking about the whole tapestry of Adam, his journey, and your own. All the normal Adamtopia rules apply here. Please respect the fact that freedom of thought and development of ideas require peace, tolerance, space, equality, and compassion. You are in the same room here with your fellow human beings. This is a place for respect, for wit, for intelligence, for having a good time. Talk to each other like we're all having a drink at the same table. Everyone is welcome and you don't have to be an egghead -- just order your adult beverage of choice -- coffee, tea, or something stronger -- and join right in. Frequently asked questions
Is this the place for me?
If it looks fun to you, probably yes. If it doesn't look fun, probably no and that is OK. Most of us post on lots of other threads and we'll see you there!
How is this thread different from The Dark Side thread?
This thread took root in another thread called The Dark Side, which was created so people who needed to vent their frustrations about this Adam journey could share and discuss those ideas in a safe place.
It turned out that Adam fans come in many different flavors. So that EVERYONE could speak freely and have fun, we divided into two threads. Many people post in both!
The Dark Side is a great place where news and opinions that might be considered too unpopular or negative on other threads can be discussed and analyzed freely and in-depth. Want to start off your day with a good debate? Well, what are you waiting for?!
The Moon Garden Lounge is a place for the dreamers and rainbow chasers ... a place where some see things that are and ask why ... and others see things that never were and ask, why not? Kick back and relax...general conversation and drinks all around...on the house.
Don't like either one? That's OK too! All we ask is that both spaces be allowed to exist for fans that may be a different flavor than you.
I'm sorry I haven't had much time to be here lately, and that looks like it will continue for a while, but I wanted to respond to this with a couple of thoughts. I'm comfortable with expanding the welcome mat with what has been suggested, or not. I'm not sure that the words will make that much difference to people who might want to (cough) post "inappropriately" (end cough) here. The current thread view count is over 1,600 views for 5 pages of posts, so it seems people at this stage are very much self-selecting out based on the content and "vibe", and hopefully are happily lurking. A part of that has to be the continuing very active existence of the "Dark" thread and a little angst in the numbers thread. Which doesn't mean that those topics won't be discussed here, of course, rather I believe at this stage people are respecting the very different nature and intent of this thread, based on what currently exists here. |
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Post by annala on Jun 21, 2012 0:19:30 GMT -5
Jamie, Yes, that does look like turtle rock. And yes, my avi is indeed the little fairy creature that Adam saw at Ste. Agathe.
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Post by anjalee on Jun 21, 2012 3:26:18 GMT -5
You know i was looking at those pics of Adam in Knightsbridge and I saw something so comfortable in his vibe. It brought on thoughts of how in some ways he really fits into the London scene - like an eccentric aristocrat. That particular species, is quite loved by some circles in London and indulged by others. Much harder to find that attitude in America's capital city I expect.
And its a mask that suits our Adam - he is aristocratic while being very democratic (that would flummox some who cant put the two together), and he is eccentric or wierd while being far healthier and together and functional than most people.
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Post by jamie on Jun 21, 2012 4:17:26 GMT -5
 Anjalee, that's a spot on observation. I think everyone thought Adam and England would be a natural fit but I really like your explanation of why he would not only fit in but be cherished in different way than in the US. Or the very things that make him tricky here would be a plus there. Your aristocratic/democratic thing does makes sense for him. Always that duality thing w/ him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 8:47:28 GMT -5
Since there were no objections and some folks feel we really need it, I pm'd the "welcome mat" text to Jamie and asked her to add it to the original post, under the moon picture, when she gets the chance.  I want to read the posts from last night more closely ... in the meantime, found this quote this morning and it reminded me of Adam, Queen, and Where We Are Now: Don't rush to finish. You don't know yet what this event is for. Give happenings time to find themselves. -- Anne Herbert. |
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Post by theosgma on Jun 21, 2012 8:59:56 GMT -5
Since there were no objections and some folks feel we really need it, I pm'd the "welcome mat" text to Jamie and asked her to add it to the original post, under the moon picture, when she gets the chance. I want to read the posts from last night more closely ... in the meantime, found this quote this morning and it reminded me of Adam, Queen, and Where We Are Now: Don't rush to finish. You don't know yet what this event is for. Give happenings time to find themselves. -- Anne Herbert. This is very beautiful. Not only beautiful but essential. While it is necessary to give some attention to responsible planning, the bulk of life should be lived in the present - not in the future and certainly not in the past. We get trapped by our memories (or overly attached) and we waste essential energy worrying or over anticipating what often never manifests anyway. Someone once said "live every moment of your life" and someone else said "do what needs to be done" when asked what they should do. Excellent advice. |
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Post by mika on Jun 21, 2012 10:22:15 GMT -5
Since there were no objections and some folks feel we really need it, I pm'd the "welcome mat" text to Jamie and asked her to add it to the original post, under the moon picture, when she gets the chance. I want to read the posts from last night more closely ... in the meantime, found this quote this morning and it reminded me of Adam, Queen, and Where We Are Now: Don't rush to finish. You don't know yet what this event is for. Give happenings time to find themselves. -- Anne Herbert. Sometimes I worry that definitions are limiting - though I realize some want more structure than others. If you do go ahead, maybe we could do it some other way/place?? Personally, I really like Jamie's moon shining there like a beacon all on its own at the beginning. |
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Post by mika on Jun 21, 2012 10:33:38 GMT -5
From Flavorwire, slide show of Thai boys/young men in a ritual of beauty. Great quote by photographer in first para. It's a point that I'd never considered - that male rituals (esp coming of age) tend to involve some trial or even pain. In some of those rituals, cross dressing is used a 'punishment' - why no rituals that have a strong aesthetic or celebration of beauty [in its broadest sense] element? (And I don't count those in which young boys are beautifully dressed a small princes as they often have a rather military vibe. Interesting that even male toddler clothes and christening gowns came to be considered 'too girly' in what? mid 20th century or even later? Seems like WWII empowerment and then the women's movement, in part, led to a backlash of hardening of stereotypical gender roles. Hmmm. www.flavorwire.com/301787/beautiful-portraits-of-a-thailand-tribe-that-explore-gendered-norms#1 |
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Post by anjalee on Jun 21, 2012 10:49:54 GMT -5
Anjalee, that's a spot on observation. I think everyone thought Adam and England would be a natural fit but I really like your explanation of why he would not only fit in but be cherished in different way than in the US. Or the very things that make him tricky here would be a plus there. Your aristocratic/democratic thing does makes sense for him. Always that duality thing w/ him. Jamie I'm wondering if I should go as far as to conclude that that duality thing is a sign of a high level of evolution (whats a better way of putting that? how about a soul that radiates more love? |
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Post by anjalee on Jun 21, 2012 10:56:25 GMT -5
From Flavorwire, slide show of Thai boys/young men in a ritual of beauty. Great quote by photographer in first para. It's a point that I'd never considered - that male rituals (esp coming of age) tend to involve some trial or even pain. In some of those rituals, cross dressing is used a 'punishment' - why no rituals that have a strong aesthetic or celebration of beauty [in its broadest sense] element? (And I don't count those in which young boys are beautifully dressed a small princes as they often have a rather military vibe. Interesting that even male toddler clothes and christening gowns came to be considered 'too girly' in what? mid 20th century or even later? Seems like WWII empowerment and then the women's movement, in part, led to a backlash of hardening of stereotypical gender roles. Hmmm. www.flavorwire.com/301787/beautiful-portraits-of-a-thailand-tribe-that-explore-gendered-norms#1Interesting. Masculine energy is characterised in some cultures as "ascending" - moving upward, transcending the earth plane. This goes along with an attraction to "nothingness", emptiness, death, transcending the body. Alas I think it also leads to not appreciating the beauty of the body, including through decorating and celebrating the body. One of the things I love love love about Adam is he expresses this beautiful desire to celebrate both the body and the soul - earth and heaven - theres that paradox again. He makes me want a man who actually gets that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 10:57:39 GMT -5
Mika, I can't speak for others, but I think the idea was to set forth the "story behind the moon." Since the people who have joined in already "get it," the audience was newcomers. Many folks are more logical than metaphorical and like to read what a place is all about.
Since several people wanted it, I volunteered to try because I can do this kind of work. I did my best to write something with that audience in mind.
Soooo .... at this point, I feel like I've been chased all week, like the outlaws of love (not just because of this one issue). I just want a place to read and post nice and/or interesting things about Adam.
So I'm out of the mission statement/manifesto/welcome mat business.
[sets down ball for someone else to pick up]
[goes off to read nice/interesting things in the thread]
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 11:24:20 GMT -5
Junie, you have been a true lifesaver in working so hard to keep, first the dark-side and now this place, actively working! If you are being chased, then I picture it looking just like the very last scene in the NCOE video. You have an inspired group of colorful followers running by your side!
Thanks to all who have put in a lot to give us a fitting place to share the warmth of Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 12:02:09 GMT -5
chapf, your smiley is so adorable. It makes me feel good just to know you are here.
anjalee, that was such an interesting observation you shared about Adam looking so comfortable as an "eccentric aristocrat." Definitely not a type you find in America's capital! LOL to even think about it!
While Kierkegaard is usually way too deep for me, one concept of his that really resonates with me is about "leveling" because it is so deeply embedded in American culture. American social history IS the relentless process of attempting to level the differences between us. One of the great contributions of America as far as social justice, which is huge, but ...
With that has come a conformity that I have seen accelerating in my lifetime (perhaps due to the Internet? mass marketing down to a science? -- not sure). People don't want to stand out and resent those who do, and look askance at passion.
"Whoa, why don't you say what you really think?!" is the alarmed reaction to a passionate statement. Once I told a co-worker about a vacation I was planning to visit historical sites that had formed the basis of my research for years. You know what she said? "Get a life." As if my passion for my subject was so individual, so non-conformist, that it was essentially meaningless!
It seems that Adam is incapable of being bland and blending in with the mainstream. He lives with obvious passion. He insists on being an individual. This leads to his being labeled as an absurd person. Even fans scheme about ways he could be more like everybody else and then "succeed." Succeed at what, exactly?
I hate the idea of Adam having to move away from the United States to be accepted. There are so many of us who need him here!
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Post by anjalee on Jun 21, 2012 12:20:06 GMT -5
chapf, your smiley is so adorable. It makes me feel good just to know you are here. anjalee, that was such an interesting observation you shared about Adam looking so comfortable as an "eccentric aristocrat." Definitely not a type you find in America's capital! LOL to even think about it! While Kierkegaard is usually way too deep for me, one concept of his that really resonates with me is about "leveling" because it is so deeply embedded in American culture. American social history IS the relentless process of attempting to level the differences between us. One of the great contributions of America as far as social justice, which is huge, but ... With that has come a conformity that I have seen accelerating in my lifetime (perhaps due to the Internet? mass marketing down to a science? -- not sure). People don't want to stand out and resent those who do, and look askance at passion. "Whoa, why don't you say what you really think?!" is the alarmed reaction to a passionate statement. Once I told a co-worker about a vacation I was planning to visit historical sites that had formed the basis of my research for years. You know what she said? "Get a life." As if my passion for my subject was so individual, so non-conformist, that it was essentially meaningless! It seems that Adam is incapable of being bland and blending in with the mainstream. He lives with obvious passion. He insists on being an individual. This leads to his being labeled as an absurd person. Even fans scheme about ways he could be more like everybody else and then "succeed." Succeed at what, exactly? I hate the idea of Adam having to move away from the United States to be accepted. There are so many of us who need him here! Yes, to everything you just said. To belong to the group, the mainstream, the ones apparently with power, seems to be such a powerful force on planet earth. There is no culture on earth that truly celebrates the individual and helps them rise to their full glory. Certainly not Indian, or for that matter English. Perhaps it's a matter of degrees, or pockets or facets in which some are better than others? Its basically hard to be an individual without being given a hard time and told to "get a life". And it is the thing i love most - to see someone shine when they wanna shine. No wonder Im so attracted to Adam and want everything for him. But he fights many forces, every day. Sometimes its with love and some times it has to be "fuck this shit". |
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Post by Craazyforadam on Jun 21, 2012 12:37:14 GMT -5
Thank you to all who are contributing here and the wonderful thoughts you are all bringing to this thread, especially those who have rolled out the welcome mat a hundred times trying to accommodate every guest at their door step. Thanks also to those who answered my and other people's question about this thread vs the dark one.
I feel that now the threads just need to be allowed to live and I very much hope that those initiators please don't feel like they have to defend or explain anything, they are the ones that gave these threads life. The beauty of what is here validates them, there is no more need to do anything further and I feel it is time to just sit back and wait and time will sort out what works and what does not on a day to day level.
Who knows how all will feel, when situations change, i.e. instead of the present radio concerns there is something else going on - time will tell how these structures work out then.
I am writing this to just want to calm the worries of those who are the most active here. Your house is beautiful, I and so many others appreciate it here, we will attempt to contribute as best we can and wherever it seems the most appropriate and helpful.
And when we have nothing more to say, we also will just quietly read and be content.
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