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Post by adamrocks on Jun 28, 2012 11:14:22 GMT -5
Kind of surprises me how many reviewers don't like Underneath. Maybe only Adam fans can truly appreciate the vulnerablility of that song? Or maybe, this UK reviewer, isn't sensitive enough to the gay prejudice over her? IDK? :-/
I have never seen Underneath as being just about gay prejudice. The lyrics apply equally to anyone who has experienced discrimination or been shunned for any reason.
From kindergarten through high school, I was subjected to verbal and physical bullying by classmates, which left permanent scars. Back in those days, school officials and even parents didn't take bullying seriously; the only support I got was advice to "Ignore them...they're jealous," or "They're just being kids." Not much help when you're trying to cope with daily punches and kicks, ruined clothing and books, and insults ranging from "ugly freak" to "Pig - you don't deserve to live."
The first time I heard Underneath, I cried for hours, for Adam and all the hate he has had to live with, and because of all the old emotions the song dredged up from my past. It took real guts for Adam to reach down inside himself and share that pain with the world; only a very enlightened, beautiful soul can do something like that. I never could. He has done all of us a service by reminding us of the damage we cause to others (and our own souls) when we treat them badly.
I wish more of the reviewers who have blasted Underneath would understand and respect that.
Haribert thanks for sharing your thoughts on Underneath....they touched me deeply. I love Underneath and I think we all can relate to it on some level. |
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Post by ljsmack on Jun 28, 2012 11:24:51 GMT -5
I'm glad Adam has a good friend and fellow musician and collaborator to go with to white ties and tiaras, since Sauli can't be there. I'm sure they will look stunning together, and since Sauli knows Sam, it should make for a really smooth evening of mingling and fun. Sam seems excited; wonder if he got an invite of his own, or if he's Adam's plus one for tonite? No matter. It's always more fun to share these occasions with friends.
Wow, I've looked forward to these concerts for so long, and some Atops are already on their way, and others ( including me, yippee!) leave soon. The concerts will be great, but sharing them with our Atop friends will make them betterer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 11:27:14 GMT -5
Kind of surprises me how many reviewers don't like Underneath. Maybe only Adam fans can truly appreciate the vulnerablility of that song? Or maybe, this UK reviewer, isn't sensitive enough to the gay prejudice over her? IDK? :-/
I have never seen Underneath as being just about gay prejudice. The lyrics apply equally to anyone who has experienced discrimination or been shunned for any reason.
From kindergarten through high school, I was subjected to verbal and physical bullying by classmates, which left permanent scars. Back in those days, school officials and even parents didn't take bullying seriously; the only support I got was advice to "Ignore them...they're jealous," or "They're just being kids." Not much help when you're trying to cope with daily punches and kicks, ruined clothing and books, and insults ranging from "ugly freak" to "Pig - you don't deserve to live."
The first time I heard Underneath, I cried for hours, for Adam and all the hate he has had to live with, and because of all the old emotions the song dredged up from my past. It took real guts for Adam to reach down inside himself and share that pain with the world; only a very enlightened, beautiful soul can do something like that. I never could. He has done all of us a service by reminding us of the damage we cause to others (and our own souls) when we treat them badly.
I wish more of the reviewers who have blasted Underneath would understand and respect that.Yes. I think some people, some of them even fans, squirm out of their seats when they hear how raw and emotionally expressive Underneath is. Perhaps it is too fierce for many to bear. I happen to love it for many of the same reasons you wrote about here, haribert. Thank you for being brave enough to write what you did here today. I think when some people hear the hurt, anger, and self-recrimination of Underneath they just recoil with a dismissive "overwrought," not wanting to believe it is "a world of truth."  |
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Post by gelly14 on Jun 28, 2012 11:29:20 GMT -5
Mandy Wells @mandylou111 Another picture of me & Adam at the BBC studios in Manchester 27.06.12. Picture taken by @kinkykiedis Thank you   |
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Post by evergreen on Jun 28, 2012 11:33:58 GMT -5
Kind of surprises me how many reviewers don't like Underneath. Maybe only Adam fans can truly appreciate the vulnerablility of that song? Or maybe, this UK reviewer, isn't sensitive enough to the gay prejudice over her? IDK? :-/
I have never seen Underneath as being just about gay prejudice. The lyrics apply equally to anyone who has experienced discrimination or been shunned for any reason.
From kindergarten through high school, I was subjected to verbal and physical bullying by classmates, which left permanent scars. Back in those days, school officials and even parents didn't take bullying seriously; the only support I got was advice to "Ignore them...they're jealous," or "They're just being kids." Not much help when you're trying to cope with daily punches and kicks, ruined clothing and books, and insults ranging from "ugly freak" to "Pig - you don't deserve to live."
The first time I heard Underneath, I cried for hours, for Adam and all the hate he has had to live with, and because of all the old emotions the song dredged up from my past. It took real guts for Adam to reach down inside himself and share that pain with the world; only a very enlightened, beautiful soul can do something like that. I never could. He has done all of us a service by reminding us of the damage we cause to others (and our own souls) when we treat them badly.
I wish more of the reviewers who have blasted Underneath would understand and respect that.Beautiful post, HaribertI can't help but think many reviewers are at work, doing their job, and maybe not "in the mood" to really absorb the meaning/emotions of a song like Underneath. I like to think they'll give it a second listen at another time and appreciate it much more. As we all know here, there is more in every one of these songs than we can grasp in one listen... Unfortuneately, the review will have been written and submitted, but hopefully Adam will have another admirer/fan. |
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Post by lambo on Jun 28, 2012 11:35:42 GMT -5
Kind of surprises me how many reviewers don't like Underneath. Maybe only Adam fans can truly appreciate the vulnerablility of that song? Or maybe, this UK reviewer, isn't sensitive enough to the gay prejudice over her? IDK? :-/
I have never seen Underneath as being just about gay prejudice. The lyrics apply equally to anyone who has experienced discrimination or been shunned for any reason.Yeah, totally. I never got bullied physically but for most of my school life I was just looked down on by everyone for various reasons, I probably had like one friend who could go a day without dropping some kind of passive-aggressive condescending comment about me. I had other friends but they always would when they thought they could get a laugh out of it. I was no good at anything in school or otherwise and at home I lived with just my mum who was struggling with bipolar disorder for years. But just like Adam I was all smiley thinking "oh boy tomorrow sure will be better ;D", and it took a few years but since like last year onwards my life has been really good, I'm happy, I have lots of real friends, my mum is married and happy, and in just over two weeks I'll see Adam  Underneath takes me back to that really bad time though. It's not on my iTunes. Amazing song and probably Adam's best vocal ever. But not for me thanks  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 11:36:19 GMT -5
Yep . . . for me, "Underneath" is the song that IS "that deep." And the toughness of listening to it, and to the kinds of stories/experiences it references . . . that, too, is right there in the lyrics:
"Baby better watch your step
Never mind what's on the left
You're gonna see things you might not wanna see".
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Post by butterfly on Jun 28, 2012 11:40:34 GMT -5
I have never seen Underneath as being just about gay prejudice. The lyrics apply equally to anyone who has experienced discrimination or been shunned for any reason.
From kindergarten through high school, I was subjected to verbal and physical bullying by classmates, which left permanent scars. Back in those days, school officials and even parents didn't take bullying seriously; the only support I got was advice to "Ignore them...they're jealous," or "They're just being kids." Not much help when you're trying to cope with daily punches and kicks, ruined clothing and books, and insults ranging from "ugly freak" to "Pig - you don't deserve to live."
The first time I heard Underneath, I cried for hours, for Adam and all the hate he has had to live with, and because of all the old emotions the song dredged up from my past. It took real guts for Adam to reach down inside himself and share that pain with the world; only a very enlightened, beautiful soul can do something like that. I never could. He has done all of us a service by reminding us of the damage we cause to others (and our own souls) when we treat them badly.
I wish more of the reviewers who have blasted Underneath would understand and respect that. Your story touched me deeply, you're brave. |
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Post by gelly14 on Jun 28, 2012 11:42:58 GMT -5
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