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Post by talon on Sept 23, 2015 1:17:40 GMT -5
Just saw something a bit interesting "Rock bandQueen honoured/Daily Mail Online. Seems Queen is getting a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. For the original Queen lineup. Nice. They got their star in 2006. Is it something else? Even earlier - 2002! They even got a jam session in with Jeff Scott Soto (of Queen Extravaganza/Journey -aka in the rumor mill as the guy on standby in case Paul Rodgers decided not to finish the 2008 tour) (note in WATC - Roger sings the lead on the 1st verse/chorus and Bri does the 2nd)
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Post by talon on Sept 22, 2015 7:11:44 GMT -5
I have confirmation from a member of the Q+AL production crew. -- "Save Me" was 'F'ed up in Rio because Brian's guitar wasn't plugged in." Rufus saw Adam turn, realized the problem and raced across the stage to fix the problem. Not Adam, nothing to do with band monitors, Brian's guitar. How strange The plot thickens - my source from the Queen camp still says differently. My source stated it was actually two different issues, he agreed that Brian's guitar did have a screw up and that's what Rufus fixed but also Roger's kit was lower in the overall monitor feed and Adam didn't hear it properly in his monitor which is why he was half a beat late. So it was TWO problems. Brian didn't play but Adam missed the beat as well. He states that it was a strange occurrence having two such oddities happen at the same time and wondered if there wasn't some kind of unwanted interference from a local Rock in Rio worker. He said that they know what happened, but they weren't sure how - but they had it set up so it shouldn't happen again. We need a sherlock holmes hat here...
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Post by talon on Sept 21, 2015 16:44:49 GMT -5
Talon, interesting explanation but I do not think Adam is off. For some reason, Brian did not come in when he is supposed to. So JMHO this was a technical problem, not an "Adam out of sync" problem. I actually think there is a possibility of both. Because I'm not sure about Brian's guitar. All I know is he doesn't play during the first part of the chorus - whether that was technical or by choice in order to guide Adam back in - that I could be swayed either way,. >> Right before Adam stops you can see Brian adjusting a knob on his guitar. You can see Brian playing but there is no sound. (0:57 here) youtu.be/iguGeso12RQ[/quote] I don't know if Brian is playing...he's playing with a knob but he wasn't strumming anything or playing with the fret. Agreed on the mic working. This is where I disagree on why Adam stops. Adam stops because Roger is ahead of him beat wise and he can immediately hear it. The ch ch ch Save Me SNARE became ch ch ch _____ SAVE ME/SNARE and Adam realizes thus stops and immediately walks towards Roger to get back on the beat. [qquote]>> What did Rufus fix? -- perhaps it is a simple as no one remembered to turn on the band stage monitors when then moved from the B Stage to the main stage after "Under Pressure". IF the issue was Adam being off sysc -- and I do not think he is -- why does Brian hit the first note with Roger? [/quote] I don't see Brian hitting the first note with Roger....because honestly I think Brian missed the first cymbal strike also but he realized it a second before Adam and did not play knowing it would sound worse. [/quote] You mean the crowd? Because there are no backing vocals in the first part of the chorus. Listen to previous gigs. The first part of the chorus is Adam alone - then the backing vocals come in on the second part. It also happens to come in at the convenient time to play catch up. Which would have happened either way because they share a great respect for each other and it's a laughin whoops moment that was fixed. Im not Brian's guitar wasn't an issue and Rufus fixed that but I would suggest that Brian's lack of guitar shouldn't have had any effect on Adam coming in at the downbeat. I'm more convinced that either from the monitor or from the bleedover vocals that Adam (and possibly Brian) missed the first of the 1-2-3 cymbals so when Roger came in on the 4 Adam and Brian thought it was the 3 and thus they had to catch up.
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Post by talon on Sept 21, 2015 9:16:35 GMT -5
OK I weighed in yesterday before I got all the way through all the evidence but then deleted so I can add. I'm 95% I know the problem. I think it was a faulty monitor. I listened to the isolated vocals and I had my percussion friend listen as well and he agrees. QALs version of Save Me starts out VERY freeform. It starts out a cappella at the very very beginning, than Spike layers some keyboard strings underneath as the basis of the song but follows Adam very legato, not precise verse which is great and works well for the emotion of the song. Spike can follow Adam in freeform but the chorus has to be precise to everyone can be together. So it's up to Roger to get them together with the 3 cymbal strikes and then everyone comes in on the downbeat. Roger started with the cymbal track on time with Spike but Adam's "love you til I DIE" line (DIE being the important part) bleåd just enough over Roger's first cymbal strike and Adam misses it - at least partially due to a low monitor. So Adam is waiting for that third cymbal strike but Spike (who heard it), Roger, and Rufus go on and Adam is got left behind momentarily. Brian follows Adam for the first crash in. Adam knew instantly that he was behind Rog/Neil/Rufus/Spike so he stopped and walked back towards Rog so that he could get back in sync for the second part of the chorus. Brian knew better than to play and make it more obvious that there were no vocals so he came back in when everything was synced back up. Rufus went to fix the monitor on that side. Nobody really to blame - more the style to blame...ah well - live is dangerous. and 99/100 they'll get it right....but when they don't, they fix it quick :D Nice to hear your analysis, talon! I agree with you that it is more likely that Adam missed the first cymbal strike due to him holding the "die" note. That must have messed up the tempo of the song in Adam's head, that's why Adam (and Brian) recovered and came in after the first "save me, save me..." which was sung by the audience! However, one thing I don't understand is, what was Rufus running to? As far as I know, Adam's receiver is attached to his pants, and all the audio comes from the sound guy off the side of the stage. So then, what was Rufus fixing then? Actually, I think this video shows Rufus the best at 1:19. It is the TV feed so the camera is focused on Adam so you can see a lot. My ears must not be tuned in well, because it sure sounds like Adam and Roger do hit that first beat, but nothing else happens, no one else is "on" until Rufus runs over & does something. Then it appears that a whole bunch of stuff comes on at once. www.youtube.com/watch?v=boXn1IGPD18&feature=youtu.beAdam should have sang Save Me with the first downbeat and then there should be the loud snare (that in the video Adam sings Save Me over) Adam seemed to not hear the first of 3 cymbal strikes to cue him (basically Rog does a 1-2-3 before the SAVE ME downbeat) and Adam heard only 2-3 and in his head was saying 1-2. I actually think (i don't KNOW this) Rufus might not have actually fixed anything - I think he ran to make sure it was working properly cause he wasn't sure what had happened to cause Adam to miss the cue....and why Brian wasn't playing. and made sure it was tightly in place. I think Brian saw what happened and knew if he played it would have sounded sloppier at that moment so he waited for Adam to get back into synch which he did really quickly and Brian joined Adam to come in for the second part of the chorus.
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Post by talon on Sept 21, 2015 7:27:23 GMT -5
Further and more precise. A faulty or low leveled monitor is probably to blame.
Oh and further while I don't disagree on the possibility that Brian's guitar was out - that isn't the reason for the missed cue. Because Adam is already the beat behind.
Missing the first cymbal strike (either through a faulty monitor or just due to bled vocals? THAT I buy) but it's SAVE ME during the down beat (with guitar) followed up by a snare.
In this case it was downbeat followed by SAVE ME (with the snare) so Adam is a half beat behind. Brian is as well either due to the faulty monitor or because he was following Adam for that particular cue.
Either way it was a quick fix :D
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Post by talon on Sept 21, 2015 7:22:48 GMT -5
OK I weighed in yesterday before I got all the way through all the evidence but then deleted so I can add. I'm 95% I know the problem. I think it was a faulty monitor.
I listened to the isolated vocals and I had my percussion friend listen as well and he agrees. QALs version of Save Me starts out VERY freeform. It starts out a cappella at the very very beginning, than Spike layers some keyboard strings underneath as the basis of the song but follows Adam very legato, not precise verse which is great and works well for the emotion of the song. Spike can follow Adam in freeform but the chorus has to be precise to everyone can be together. So it's up to Roger to get them together with the 3 cymbal strikes and then everyone comes in on the downbeat. Roger started with the cymbal track on time with Spike but Adam's "love you til I DIE" line (DIE being the important part) bleåd just enough over Roger's first cymbal strike and Adam misses it - at least partially due to a low monitor. So Adam is waiting for that third cymbal strike but Spike (who heard it), Roger, and Rufus go on and Adam is got left behind momentarily. Brian follows Adam for the first crash in. Adam knew instantly that he was behind Rog/Neil/Rufus/Spike so he stopped and walked back towards Rog so that he could get back in sync for the second part of the chorus. Brian knew better than to play and make it more obvious that there were no vocals so he came back in when everything was synced back up.
Rufus went to fix the monitor on that side.
Nobody really to blame - more the style to blame...ah well - live is dangerous. and 99/100 they'll get it right....but when they don't, they fix it quick :D
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Post by talon on Sept 21, 2015 7:09:30 GMT -5
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Post by talon on Sept 21, 2015 7:02:22 GMT -5
See tomorrow post with further info after investigating
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Post by talon on Sept 20, 2015 9:47:56 GMT -5
But that was already after he came in late. It was a beat late then he realized he was off which is why he walked towards the drums to put his back to the crowd til they could pull it together. He kept the mic to his mouth so he could be ready as soon as he figured out exactly where it was. Then Brian kind of guided him I think which is when Brian and him shared a knowing smile of ok let's pull this together now... In that spot where he has his back to the crowd and it looks like the mic isn't working Rufus runs across kind of crouched over and someone said that Rufus tossed Adam a new mic. Can you tell what Rufus is doing? I have a hard time because Rufus goes off screen. He definitely does not give Adam a new mic as Adam is not off screen and no exchange happens. He may have turned up or plugged in a monitor or may have fixed something for Brian. What I see happen is there's the three cymbal strikes ch ch ch and then Adam should come in with save me - he doesn't and is a beat behind. He knows it and turns acting like he's dancing but his mic is down by his waist while the other hand is up near his head "dancing" (or moving) or even signaling that he's off. I think it most likely that Rufus is adjusting a monitor to help Adam catch it. Then Adam signals he knows with his yeah and Brian crashes in and they are back....
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Post by talon on Sept 20, 2015 7:46:14 GMT -5
Actually, I thought I did see Adam singing into the mic but no sound was coming out, he was walking towards the drums at that point..??? I've only seen it once so far, but it looked liked he was mouthing something, I thought he was singing... But that was already after he came in late. It was a beat late then he realized he was off which is why he walked towards the drums to put his back to the crowd til they could pull it together. He kept the mic to his mouth so he could be ready as soon as he figured out exactly where it was. Then Brian kind of guided him I think which is when Brian and him shared a knowing smile of ok let's pull this together now...
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