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Post by girldrummer on Dec 6, 2016 22:00:48 GMT -5
IMHO Adam is a singer's singer... Radio may not play him like they should ,but it seems that many singers want to sing with him... I was not referring to radio. I did refer to the UK charts -- and in the UK both album and singles charts are based on sales. TOH is his top selling UK album -- and reported sales are <10K units in the UK -- probably about 12K now. I still think the writer was probably correct -- it is a "slightly niche choice." *** If someone can point me to the quote with niche artist in it, I would love to see it. As far as I can tell, no one wrote that Adam is a niche artist except for posters on this forum. Since I'm the one who started this whole discussion after reading that one word "niche," I'll just leave my final thoughts. For me, it goes back to the frustrations we've all felt. Adam has the voice and talent to be a arena-filling mega-star as a solo artist. We know that. He has used some of the very same songwriters and producers that the top singers use. He has recorded songs on his albums that are equal in quality and interest as many songs that make it to the top of the charts. Is The Weeknd "better" than Adam? No, but he somehow got a hit hit song right away, and, as someone just posted here a page or two back, he "broke through," and now his music ia widely played without hesitation. Given his many qualities, Adam should be in the same position. He should be "breaking through." No one hesitates to say that they like The Weeknd or SS or any of these other singers at the very top. But I think some people who really like Adam a lot still hesitate to say so. I guess he's not as cool to like, not as mainstream or something. If Max Marten songs repeatedly become #1 hits for many artists, I just want that to happen for Adam, too. GT was great for him. But a sustained #1 hit? No. There is an acceptance factor that is missing with Adam. Can't put my finger on it. He's making progress by getting himself out there. He has the respect of so many in the music business. But he's still in a niche, according to some.
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Post by 3ku1 on Dec 6, 2016 22:11:40 GMT -5
I was not referring to radio. I did refer to the UK charts -- and in the UK both album and singles charts are based on sales. TOH is his top selling UK album -- and reported sales are <10K units in the UK -- probably about 12K now. I still think the writer was probably correct -- it is a "slightly niche choice." *** If someone can point me to the quote with niche artist in it, I would love to see it. As far as I can tell, no one wrote that Adam is a niche artist except for posters on this forum. Since I'm the one who started this whole discussion after reading that one word "niche," I'll just leave my final thoughts. For me, it goes back to the frustrations we've all felt. Adam has the voice and talent to be a arena-filling mega-star as a solo artist. We know that. He has used some of the very same songwriters and producers that the top singers use. He has recorded songs on his albums that are equal in quality and interest as many songs that make it to the top of the charts. Is The Weeknd "better" than Adam? No, but he somehow got a hit hit song right away, and, as someone just posted here a page or two back, he "broke through," and now his music ia widely played without hesitation. Given his many qualities, Adam should be in the same position. He should be "breaking through." No one hesitates to say that they like The Weeknd or SS or any of these other singers at the very top. But I think some people who really like Adam a lot still hesitate to say so. I guess he's not as cool to like, not as mainstream or something. If Max Marten songs repeatedly become #1 hits for many artists, I just want that to happen for Adam, too. GT was great for him. But a sustained #1 hit? No. There is an acceptance factor that is missing with Adam. Can't put my finger on it. He's making progress by getting himself out there. He has the respect of so many in the music business. But he's still in a niche, according to some. Calling Adam a Nichie choice for this specific performance currently. Is different from calling Adam a niche artist which it seems your problem with what she said. I think ppl are over exaggerating what she said. Technically he is a niche choice. The only ppl who are saying anyone sees him as a niche artist is this forum. She never said that. But clearly this has opened up a can worm of long term agreuvenves. Of Adams lack of commercial cred.
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Post by nica575 on Dec 6, 2016 22:29:35 GMT -5
I was not referring to radio. I did refer to the UK charts -- and in the UK both album and singles charts are based on sales. TOH is his top selling UK album -- and reported sales are <10K units in the UK -- probably about 12K now. I still think the writer was probably correct -- it is a "slightly niche choice." *** If someone can point me to the quote with niche artist in it, I would love to see it. As far as I can tell, no one wrote that Adam is a niche artist except for posters on this forum. Since I'm the one who started this whole discussion after reading that one word "niche," I'll just leave my final thoughts. For me, it goes back to the frustrations we've all felt. Adam has the voice and talent to be a arena-filling mega-star as a solo artist. We know that. He has used some of the very same songwriters and producers that the top singers use. He has recorded songs on his albums that are equal in quality and interest as many songs that make it to the top of the charts. Is The Weeknd "better" than Adam? No, but he somehow got a hit hit song right away, and, as someone just posted here a page or two back, he "broke through," and now his music ia widely played without hesitation. Given his many qualities, Adam should be in the same position. He should be "breaking through." No one hesitates to say that they like The Weeknd or SS or any of these other singers at the very top. But I think some people who really like Adam a lot still hesitate to say so. I guess he's not as cool to like, not as mainstream or something. If Max Marten songs repeatedly become #1 hits for many artists, I just want that to happen for Adam, too. GT was great for him. But a sustained #1 hit? No. There is an acceptance factor that is missing with Adam. Can't put my finger on it. He's making progress by getting himself out there. He has the respect of so many in the music business. But he's still in a niche, according to some. I agree with every word in your post. I think no one understands how fads become fads... Sometimes I venture into listening to a "#1 hit" du-jour just to yet again be convinced that majority of Adam's songs and DELIVERY are waaaay superior... to MY ears... Lately I stopped waiting for that elusive "hit" and learned to be happy Adam has all his dimmers and I have his voice to enjoy. And as a bonus he has lots of energy and loves working - how lucky for all of us!
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Post by lurleene on Dec 6, 2016 22:48:09 GMT -5
I am not too concerned with a #1 hit, tho, I would love Adam to get one or a few. I would like to hear him get substantial radio play which imo would lead to even more exposure and award nominations and tour opportunities. His music is as good or better than a lot that gets played. His voice is better than most. But I think the majority of fans and many in the public and industry can see how successful he is. Yes there are some much more successful but that does not take away from his accomplishments or his credibility as an outstanding and accomplished artist. Just like we want more for Adam because we are his fans and think he deserves it, there are many who would give most anything to have reached his level. There is a lot between being Taylor Swift or KA. So we are lucky to be fans of an artist doing concerts and getting invites all around the world on his own or with Queen. Some of the most successful artists in the world with some of the biggest hits are not appealing to everyone so it is what it is.
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Post by Q3 on Dec 6, 2016 23:03:44 GMT -5
I was not referring to radio. I did refer to the UK charts -- and in the UK both album and singles charts are based on sales. TOH is his top selling UK album -- and reported sales are <10K units in the UK -- probably about 12K now. I still think the writer was probably correct -- it is a "slightly niche choice." *** If someone can point me to the quote with niche artist in it, I would love to see it. As far as I can tell, no one wrote that Adam is a niche artist except for posters on this forum. Since I'm the one who started this whole discussion after reading that one word "niche," I'll just leave my final thoughts. For me, it goes back to the frustrations we've all felt. Adam has the voice and talent to be a arena-filling mega-star as a solo artist. We know that. He has used some of the very same songwriters and producers that the top singers use. He has recorded songs on his albums that are equal in quality and interest as many songs that make it to the top of the charts. Is The Weeknd "better" than Adam? No, but he somehow got a hit hit song right away, and, as someone just posted here a page or two back, he "broke through," and now his music ia widely played without hesitation. Given his many qualities, Adam should be in the same position. He should be "breaking through." No one hesitates to say that they like The Weeknd or SS or any of these other singers at the very top. But I think some people who really like Adam a lot still hesitate to say so. I guess he's not as cool to like, not as mainstream or something. If Max Marten songs repeatedly become #1 hits for many artists, I just want that to happen for Adam, too. GT was great for him. But a sustained #1 hit? No. There is an acceptance factor that is missing with Adam. Can't put my finger on it. He's making progress by getting himself out there. He has the respest of so many in the music business. But he's still in a niche, according to some. Please take me out of this "all." I have never felt frustrated as you describe. The only moment in Adam's career that truly disappointed me was when he lost Idol. But in retrospect, I realize that Adam knew he was not going to win and was fine with it, and it did not hurt his career, so I moved on. I have not looked back since. I don't know that Adam can be an arena-filling mega-star, maybe, maybe not. But I do not care. I just want the chance to see him perform live. Is Weeknd "better" than Adam? -- At what? He is more famous and has achieved far greater success than Adam and he is very talented. (That takes nothing away from Adam.) Weeknd is hot. In fact at this moment Weeknd is the most successful artist in the world: From Fortune 12.6.16: The Weeknd is currently enjoying not just one of the best weeks of his career, but perhaps one of the best weeks of any musician’s career this year. The R&B star’s new album Starboy has started at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 with the third-largest opening frame of 2016, sitting right behind only Drake and Beyoncé. As if that wasn’t good enough, all 18 songs on Starboy have found their way onto the Hot 100, the all-encompassing songs tally compiled by Billboard that ranks the 100 most popular songs in the U.S. during any given week. The Weeknd’s entire new record is to be found spread across the list, which proves that his album really was the biggest of the week by far.
>> A bit of perspective on the UK - Adam's TOH sold about 12,000 copies, Weeknd's 2015 Beauty Behind the Music has sold over 300,000 and it is still selling at a high rate. US numbers are not much different, BBTM is RIAA 3x Platinum so far. Weeknd's new album looks like it will exceed BBTM. >> JMHO Weeknd put out a great album. I am a fan of an artist who I believe is a great vocalist and performer and regularly recognized as such. He is a Platinum artist, Grammy nominated, etc. Adam is interested in maintaining his creative freedom and expressing himself. "Ghost Town" is a perfect example of this. It is in a niche (word of the day) genre. It is not mainstream and yet he got it on US pop radio -- for weeks and weeks and weeks. Yes, it is a hit. Not a big flashy #1 hit. But a stealthy hit that rack up radio airplay and streaming. I have only one wish for Adam that he is happy and does what he wants (they are the same thing). I have only one wish for me, that I get to see him perform live many more times. In closing, I don't ask anyone to agree with me but please quote the writer properly. She did not write "niche artist."
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Post by Q3 on Dec 6, 2016 23:13:06 GMT -5
I am not too concerned with a #1 hit, tho, I would love Adam to get one or a few. I would like to hear him get substantial radio play which imo would lead to even more exposure and award nominations and tour opportunities. His music is as good or better than a lot that gets played. His voice is better than most. But I think the majority of fans and many in the public and industry can see how successful he is. Yes there are some much more successful but that does not take away from his accomplishments or his credibility as an outstanding and accomplished artist. Just like we want more for Adam because we are his fans and think he deserves it, there are many who would give most anything to have reached his level. There is a lot between being Taylor Swift or KA. So we are lucky to be fans of an artist doing concerts and getting invites all around the world on his own or with Queen. Some of the most successful artists in the world with some of the biggest hits are not appealing to everyone so it is what it is. ITA.
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Post by LindaG23 on Dec 6, 2016 23:17:28 GMT -5
Like you nica, I have let go of the need for the elusive "hit". I just love to hear him sing and follow what his good-looking and funny ass is up to. He is so entertaining. The following is a thought piece and not a critique of any kind because I am totally enjoying Adam's success: I was reading an article in Vulture which I have linked for reference and it reminded me in a way of Adam, James Marsden Is One of the Best Actors of His Generation. Why Hasn’t Hollywood Noticed? The author argues that Marsden doesn't resort to creating a persona to gain fans; he is incredibly versatile and can play any role so doesn't actually have an fixed image that is associated with him; doesn't try to avoid his good looks; and he actually acts rather than relying on physical transformation to create a character. Read as: Adam is not Gaga, doesn't have a genre, loves fashion and looks good in it, and can actually truly sing and doesn't need identifiable quirky phrasing or grit for instance. It concludes with, "Maybe Marsden has exactly the kind of career he wants. He’s not hurting for work ... but as great as he is, he’s rarely in roles or films that match his talents. Ultimately, Marsden feels like the living embodiment of the argument that American actors aren’t in decline, but maybe the best of them just aren’t valued as they should be." Anyway you could substitute Adam's name in the whole article and get some interesting insights. www.vulture.com/2016/12/james-marsden-is-one-of-the-best-actors-of-his-generation.html
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Post by donnamb on Dec 6, 2016 23:26:07 GMT -5
So as of now, we are pretty sure Adam will duet, but there's no actual confirmation. (My tv provider is pretty good on detecting Adam appearances - it even recorded a repeat of Rupaul's Drag Race - but it hasn't picked up on the XfactorUK possibility, yet. I read in the NYTimes that Weeknd had a phenomenal number of streams to get him to number 1 this week. My observation is the catch is you have to get the release talk-up on radio (which it got) to get people to stream.
Gaga's single from Joanne was a sort of flop, but her performance of another track from Joanne on XfactorUK made me think I should buy that CD after all. I don't know how the experts in the industry decide what to release to radio and when.
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Post by girldrummer on Dec 6, 2016 23:29:37 GMT -5
Like you nica, I have let go of the need for the elusive "hit". I just love to hear him sing and follow what his good-looking and funny ass is up to. He is so entertaining. The following is a thought piece and not a critique of any kind because I am totally enjoying Adam's success: I was reading an article in Vulture which I have linked for reference and it reminded me in a way of Adam, James Marsden Is One of the Best Actors of His Generation. Why Hasn’t Hollywood Noticed? The author argues that Marsden doesn't resort to creating a persona to gain fans; he is incredibly versatile and can play any role so doesn't actually have an fixed image that is associated with him; doesn't try to avoid his good looks; and he actually acts rather than relying on physical transformation to create a character. Read as: Adam is not Gaga, doesn't have a genre, loves fashion and looks good in it, and can actually truly sing and doesn't need identifiable quirky phrasing or grit for instance. It concludes with, "Maybe Marsden has exactly the kind of career he wants. He’s not hurting for work ... but as great as he is, he’s rarely in roles or films that match his talents. Ultimately, Marsden feels like the living embodiment of the argument that American actors aren’t in decline, but maybe the best of them just aren’t valued as they should be." Anyway you could substitute Adam's name in the whole article and get some good insights. www.vulture.com/2016/12/james-marsden-is-one-of-the-best-actors-of-his-generation.html Thanks for putting things into perspective. I am so grateful for all that Adam has accomplished. It's changed my life. He doesn't have to be anyone but himself. Sometimes I think he really wants MORE, and sometimes I think he's happy working steadily and getting the amount of attention and press (and money) that he is satisfied with. It's all fine with me, just as long as we have him performing and singing for a long time. Apparently, I over-reacted to the word "niche," and assumed it meant that he was unfairly unboxed in to a category. I'm happy that his fans are so varied and so international. And yes, he is in a place that many singers would love to be in. Namely, being in demand. Now I promise to not use the word "niche" again. LOL
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Post by LindaG23 on Dec 6, 2016 23:33:30 GMT -5
You're welcome
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