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Post by 3ku1 on Dec 18, 2016 22:28:30 GMT -5
If Adam does Glam Rock again, Great! Loved FYE. I doubt Adam is going to go clubbing with eyeliner like in his early twenties. He said himself he has grown. He is now into his early thirties, and settled. So I don't think he would go over board. I think he looks better without make up anyway. Not that I care that much haha. But album wise. I Think we could see a return of glam rock in some ways.
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Post by girldrummer on Dec 18, 2016 22:40:21 GMT -5
Speaking if fighting bias of any kind....this is a good watch...and I am sure there are many who think she is lying, exaggerating, just being defensive, asking for it, or it was all just by chance....all the excuses we seem inclined to use at the mere appearance of the possibility of any sort of bias... My point posting this is that the same claims that Madonna did not suffer bias is often claimed that Adam does not suffer bias....and I suggest that he does....this stuff is rarely overt. No it is not as much now as when he started even....but I would be interested in knowing if those instagram numbers, for example, have been consistent over time rather than coincidentally now...just saying... There is no doubt that Instagram is in the midst of a purge today -- that is closing a lot of fake accounts. It is effecting many people -- gay, straight, male, female, famous and not so famous. So the account drop probably had nothing to do with the photos Adam posted. Did Adam face obstacles and bias because he was gay? Sure, particularly within the music business -- radio and music labels would not play or sign a gay or lesbian artist for fear of what their audience/fans/advertisers/retailers would do. Look at what happened to Elton John in the US after he came out -- his fans avoided him, sales of fan magazines with him on the cover did not sell, etc. (and not just in the US.) And while it is easy to be righteous about the whole thing today, in the US it was illegal to be gay until the Supreme Court ruled in 2003 and voters are responsible for the actions of the people the elect and the laws they pass. And usually the only people who showed up at radio and broadcast station licensing hearings to help establish "community standards" were members of the Christian right. Etc. Not to beat a dead horse, Adam faced bias, women in music face bias, etc. etc. But people watch Anderson Cooper (CNN) and Shephard Smith (Fox News) and Robert Thomas (NBC News) and no one seems to have an issue that they are gay. Radio stations -- even in the US -- play Sam Smith a lot. He sells millions. He fills arenas. I do not think Adam's commercial reception for the past few years has been heavily effected by his sexual orientation, but more effected by his choice of non-mainstream genres and slightly edgy style choices. I would not have posted that in 2010, but I believe it now. Finally, even in 2009, Adam got opportunities because he was gay, he otherwise would not have gotten -- the cover of Rolling Stone, closing the AMAs, having two flagship Clear Channel radio stations push WWFM, and so on. "...choice of non-mainstream genres and slightly edge style choices" is an interesting way to put it. If Adam had decided to go totally benign mainstream, maybe that would have opened many doors right after Idol. Yes, SS is gay, but he is not Adam-gay in many ways. The dilemma is that Adam's choices of music, persona, style, etc. are true to himself. He makes very few compromises. We original fans love him for all that, not despite all that. The irony is that some other top artists go to all kinds of extremes in their performances, looks, etc., and yet are readily accepted. I guess the public sees these other artists as having more of a " stage act" and not as actually showing "who they really are." Adam portrays himself as he truly is, with adjustments here and there. It's hard to shake original impressions. Those who didn't like him in 2009 aren't likely to jump on board now. It's amazing, actually, how well he's done, esp. overseas. I remember Ellen DeGeneres saying to him on her show, "No one is doing what you're doing." She was quite perceptive.
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Post by Craazyforadam on Dec 18, 2016 22:48:03 GMT -5
Yikes! What a hot looking crew. Funny not to see Adam towering over other guys in picture. I just had a thought....do you suppose he is making some sort of a statement? Could he be indicating that the 'normalization' of his 'natural' appearance is over and we are going to see a resurgence of the Glam!! Thought has occurred to me too. We'll just have to see how he plays his next hand. It's up to him. It's not like the times are very encouraging for him right now to go in that direction, but maybe that is where/when it is the most needed. Whether that is what he wants to do I have no idea, but obviously he must be thinking about all this, as every new album gives him a chance to set a new tone, define a new direction for himself. As far as Instagram and similar media, I don't think any true artist can let the detail of that get to them. The artistic pull in a certain direction has to be stronger than all this noise. And in Adam it always was, even in the pressure cooker of idol 2009. This board is a rather homogeneous grouping with only a few exceptions, but you just have to read a few pages to get ...love the makeup...don't like the makeup. ...love many songs on radio....hate what radio plays. ...and tons of variations thereof. I look at Adam's almost 8 year trajectory since idol, and while there were ups and downs, if this were a stock chart, I'd invest in it no time. Steady climber - he is in a good place. Radio has changed a lot since 2009. It's sole dominance is gone, it is still powerful, but less so. Streaming gives a loud second opinion. Adam does better in streaming than in radio, showing blatantly clearly that the public is more ready for Adam than music executives tend to presume. But a generational shift in the executive corners of radio is happening too, and eventually it will help Adam. Does he have to overcome bias and is therefore placed lower on the average chart than he would otherwise? I believe so. But I also believe that these radio positions are a marker of present Zeitgeist, not of directional strength going forward. And it is the latter that tells me where things will be going. And those look promising. The biggest task right now for Adam is to have relevant material that truly connects and makes some noise. Then all the rest will fall into place for him, because the fields have been plowed and are ready. There is enough good will out there for him, that if he has a hit he will get a chance even on conservative radio. I don't think that Adam gets a chance to break through with an average song, that is where the bias comes in, because other folks with mediocre songs do make it there, for whatever reason. But with a hit song, Adam will be right up there. We can only hope A4 will put him there.
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Post by cheriemelissa on Dec 18, 2016 22:51:04 GMT -5
In the pictures above of Adam with the 3 other guys, the guy next to him in the NY ball cap is Nyle DiMarco. He is deaf. He won Americas Next Top Model and Dancing With The Stars a couple seasons ago. (Just in case people didn't recognize him) I thought that was him. I knew he looked familiar! Adam does get around!
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Post by 3ku1 on Dec 18, 2016 22:55:58 GMT -5
There is no doubt that Instagram is in the midst of a purge today -- that is closing a lot of fake accounts. It is effecting many people -- gay, straight, male, female, famous and not so famous. So the account drop probably had nothing to do with the photos Adam posted. Did Adam face obstacles and bias because he was gay? Sure, particularly within the music business -- radio and music labels would not play or sign a gay or lesbian artist for fear of what their audience/fans/advertisers/retailers would do. Look at what happened to Elton John in the US after he came out -- his fans avoided him, sales of fan magazines with him on the cover did not sell, etc. (and not just in the US.) And while it is easy to be righteous about the whole thing today, in the US it was illegal to be gay until the Supreme Court ruled in 2003 and voters are responsible for the actions of the people the elect and the laws they pass. And usually the only people who showed up at radio and broadcast station licensing hearings to help establish "community standards" were members of the Christian right. Etc. Not to beat a dead horse, Adam faced bias, women in music face bias, etc. etc. But people watch Anderson Cooper (CNN) and Shephard Smith (Fox News) and Robert Thomas (NBC News) and no one seems to have an issue that they are gay. Radio stations -- even in the US -- play Sam Smith a lot. He sells millions. He fills arenas. I do not think Adam's commercial reception for the past few years has been heavily effected by his sexual orientation, but more effected by his choice of non-mainstream genres and slightly edgy style choices. I would not have posted that in 2010, but I believe it now. Finally, even in 2009, Adam got opportunities because he was gay, he otherwise would not have gotten -- the cover of Rolling Stone, closing the AMAs, having two flagship Clear Channel radio stations push WWFM, and so on. "...choice of non-mainstream genres and slightly edge style choices" is an interesting way to put it. If Adam had decided to go totally benign mainstream, maybe that would have opened many doors right after Idol. Yes, SS is gay, but he is not Adam-gay in many ways. The dilemma is that Adam's choices of music, persona, style, etc. are true to himself. He makes very few compromises. We original fans love him for all that, not despite all that. The irony is that some other top artists go to all kinds of extremes in their performances, looks, etc., and yet are readily accepted. I guess the public sees these other artists as having more of a " stage act" and not as actually showing "who they really are." Adam portrays himself as he truly is, with adjustments here and there. It's hard to shake original impressions. Those who didn't like him in 2009 aren't likely to jump on board now. It's amazing, actually, how well he's done, esp. overseas. I remember Ellen DeGeneres saying to him on her show, "No one is doing what you're doing." She was quite perceptive. SS is more safe. Adam is like a hurricane. Some can only deal with him in drizzles. I'm really interested in the next phase though. I think Contemporary Adam needs to be Edgy Adam next era. Fye correct me wrong, is his biggest selling album. And as for Other artists have hits and their music ain't any better. I think Adams lvl of a talent. In a way ppl expect Angels type songs. Edm lot of ppl say too simple for his talent. I would like a Qal album too.
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Post by EenieMeenie on Dec 18, 2016 22:59:48 GMT -5
Well, for those people who continue to judge based on appearances out there in the ethernet, please unfollow. Let's post some Zodiac pics and show everyone how tame Adam really is these days.
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Post by mszue on Dec 18, 2016 23:01:11 GMT -5
"...choice of non-mainstream genres and slightly edge style choices" is an interesting way to put it. If Adam had decided to go totally benign mainstream, maybe that would have opened many doors right after Idol. Yes, SS is gay, but he is not Adam-gay in many ways. The dilemma is that Adam's choices of music, persona, style, etc. are true to himself. He makes very few compromises. We original fans love him for all that, not despite all that. The irony is that some other top artists go to all kinds of extremes in their performances, looks, etc., and yet are readily accepted. I guess the public sees these other artists as having more of a " stage act" and not as actually showing "who they really are." Adam portrays himself as he truly is, with adjustments here and there. It's hard to shake original impressions. Those who didn't like him in 2009 aren't likely to jump on board now. It's amazing, actually, how well he's done, esp. overseas. I remember Ellen DeGeneres saying to him on her show, "No one is doing what you're doing." She was quite perceptive. SS is more safe. Adam is like a hurricane. Some can only deal with him in drizzles. I'm really interested in the next phase though. I think Contemporary Adam needs to be Edgy Adam next era. Fye correct me wrong, is his biggest selling album. I totally agree!
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Post by lurleene on Dec 18, 2016 23:04:51 GMT -5
I love Adam. Have no interest in random people or even friends that he parties with so I just scroll by the pictures. Casual fans probably have even less interest in those pictures than I. But Adam is a handsome, talented, sexy and wonderful man. So his many fans will stick with him even when they don't care for the shaved sides, excessive facial hair, makeup, the shorts or the lace, lol. I have to admit tho that I love seeing pictures of him with the fans at meet and greets, make a wish kids (heartwarming), and stars. I guess when I see him taking pictures with Brian/Roger, Timberlake, Miley, Sam, Leto, Kravitz, Nile, producers, directors. etc. it shows how far he has come. But I am happy that he has friends to relax and have fun with. He works hard and he deserves some fun in his life. Adam is very successful and has achieved a lot tho many try to discount him. Yes, I think he would have even more success if there were not some unnecessary barriers placed in front of him. I know a lot of fans of the winner his season and disgruntled fans of a previous winner (they were so angry with his attention) said Adam got more opportunities right off of Idol because he was gay. But I never believed that for one minute. He was just the most interesting, exciting and talented, and talked about personality to come off of American Idol so everyone rolled with it. I for one will be happy when his success is not viewed as because of his sexuality. Yes it should be recognized and applauded but it should not color every achievement. SS had success in the UK and hits flying up the charts in the US before he disclosed anything. Big difference than when Adam came on the scene, imo. But I respect how Sam just said this is who I am and then moved on with his career. Y'all are no better than I am and you will recognize my achievements and talent. No box or limitations for me. Period. I want that for Adam. And I am thrilled that he is so comfortable in his own skin and is a role model for many who need him. But I would also love to see his talent, success and career take center stage where it belongs.
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Post by cheriemelissa on Dec 18, 2016 23:05:30 GMT -5
"...choice of non-mainstream genres and slightly edge style choices" is an interesting way to put it. If Adam had decided to go totally benign mainstream, maybe that would have opened many doors right after Idol. Yes, SS is gay, but he is not Adam-gay in many ways. The dilemma is that Adam's choices of music, persona, style, etc. are true to himself. He makes very few compromises. We original fans love him for all that, not despite all that. The irony is that some other top artists go to all kinds of extremes in their performances, looks, etc., and yet are readily accepted. I guess the public sees these other artists as having more of a " stage act" and not as actually showing "who they really are." Adam portrays himself as he truly is, with adjustments here and there. It's hard to shake original impressions. Those who didn't like him in 2009 aren't likely to jump on board now. It's amazing, actually, how well he's done, esp. overseas. I remember Ellen DeGeneres saying to him on her show, "No one is doing what you're doing." She was quite perceptive. SS is more safe. Adam is like a hurricane. Some can only deal with him in drizzles. I'm really interested in the next phase though. I think Contemporary Adam needs to be Edgy Adam next era. Fye correct me wrong, is his biggest selling album. FYE is still my favorite too although Trespassing is a close second! TOH not so much. I always resented that Max suggested he change how he sings on TOH, that he hold back or sing quieter. Why?????? Adam's voice is brilliant!
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Post by stampsgal on Dec 18, 2016 23:06:58 GMT -5
Well I think he was out for evening at an event where costumes were the expected and he created his look because of the event. I could be proven wrong in a couple of months.. haha ....but relating make- up to new music ie...glam, never crossed my mind. Adam likes to add a dab of this and that and I certainly have never been able to predict when those days or occassions would be. It seems remarkable to me how many people he knows, and how many he meets, and the connections he makes. Happy to see that he seems to have quite a large circle of varied friends and aquaintances. Perhaps a special someone...sometime...will take his heart to a new place. (My thought...maybe not his ...lol)
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