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Post by melliemom on Dec 19, 2016 16:26:37 GMT -5
Well now patti...are you defining "mainstream" as automatically 'average' or 'normal' or 'not queer'??? What standards make this "They were sooooooooooooo far out there, no way they would ever have mainstream success." not homophobic ....or choose your term but means the same. I mean as long as even WE can blithely assume that anything not fitting a heteronormative template, will never be "mainstream", the situation has not a prayer of changing and we are really simple corroboratingTranter's claims. I do not see gun-toting, 10 gallon wearing western wear with twangy nasal vocals as anything approaching my definition of mainstream...so why is that cowboy not considered 'out there'? I would offer that if that cowboy wore pink he would suddenly be considered non-mainstream even if everything else about his vocals and performance remained the same. Ergo....the issue is the 'pink'...the gay.... As far as a mainstream career goes, we can use the 3 gay men I mentioned in my original post as examples. All are extremely talented men. Sam is an OK Gay. Acceptable as a mainstream artist, thus he has the biggest mainstream career. Justin is at the other end of the industry spectrum. He is Way Too Gay. Not acceptable as a mainstream artist, but acceptable as a song writer for others. Adam is somewhere in the middle. Less mainstream success than Sam, but still able to navigate the mainstream as a performer. It is what it is. Sam Smith is also English that counts for alot.. There are quite a few really talented American gay singers who haven't gotten much visibility at all. Adam seems to be the exception in these good old United States right now.. IMHO,The most famous gay artists who recently came out at the beginning of their careers, seem to be from England or Australia.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 19, 2016 16:33:44 GMT -5
geezlouise, have you ever seen Semi Precious Weapons Live? I have! They were sooooooooooooo far out there, no way they would ever have mainstream success. And look at Bonnie McKee! Incredible songwriter! 2 of the biggest hits off Katy Perry's previous album! Great personality, very pretty! She knows all the right people But she can not make it as a solo artist. Sometimes, (often) we simply can not define or find a reason for why one artist is bigger than another. I have come to the conclusion, it has a lot to do with luck & right place at the right time. Or in music's case, "the right song at the right time!" Well now patti...are you defining "mainstream" as automatically 'average' or 'normal' or 'not queer'??? What standards make this "They were sooooooooooooo far out there, no way they would ever have mainstream success." not homophobic ....or choose your term but means the same. I mean as long as even WE can blithely assume that anything not fitting a heteronormative template, will never be "mainstream", the situation has not a prayer of changing and we are really simple corroboratingTranter's claims. I do not see gun-toting, 10 gallon wearing western wear with twangy nasal vocals as anything approaching my definition of mainstream...so why is that cowboy not considered 'out there'? I would offer that if that cowboy wore pink he would suddenly be considered non-mainstream even if everything else about his vocals and performance remained the same. Ergo....the issue is the 'pink'...the gay.... I think Patti is defining "mainstream" is being NOT pop radio friendly. I've never seen semi precious weapons live but I just listen to three of their YouTube videos and I would agree that they are not mainstream in that I would classify their music is being indie rock or even punk rock, although I am no expert in music genres. Those genres of music are not mainstream in that you will not hear them on mainstream pop radio stations, maybe on a rock radio station but not on a pop radio station. A cowboy singer would also not be mainstream pop, but might fit into country radio which is very big, even bigger than pop in many areas of the U.S. Country music is big enough to be considered mainstream in the U.S., but not in other parts of the world. Rock music is not big enough anymore to be considered mainstream at this time.
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Post by skaschep on Dec 19, 2016 16:50:28 GMT -5
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Post by skaschep on Dec 19, 2016 16:56:54 GMT -5
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Post by Craazyforadam on Dec 19, 2016 16:57:09 GMT -5
Before I forget it, I got to add this to BR versions being flung around. I realize that Adam is not exactly a soccer fan, but this is just hilarious and I know our folks in EU, Asia, SA, S.Am, fans will appreciate how brilliantly this is put together (and performed): www.facebook.com/TheFootyCommunity/videos/1252174534850015/Anyhow, re the recent pictures: I think the jump from a few pictures at a party where Adam wears more makeup again, to this is what he will visually do in all of 2017, to this means that Glam is back, might be jumping a bit too far. But I have noticed that there are more pictures recently showing him with a bit of makeup (not only the ones from NYC the last few days). He may be ready to lay it on a bit more, it may also just be playtime between more public phases before and after this short break. We don't know. But I'll put my bet on him tacking and changing direction again, it is time for that. I am just not sure I am seeing glam. I am seeing punk, new versions of emo, my Chemical Romance comes to mind again. I am also seeing musical trends that combine EDM more with rock rather than pop, and in that they lend themselves more to combining that with solid vocals. I have a hard time thinking that Adam would be satisfied with either dance pop or EDM as their final long term direction, and I don't think his core audience would be either. Whether I am anywhere close with my guess, I don't know of course, but I think that EDM-rock would be more possible than not. What I have trouble with is combining any of that with Max Martin, but then I did not see a path for that with TOH either, and they did. We shall see. Somehow, I always regret when I read here that people find no music interesting besides Adam. There is a lot of good music out there, but a lot of it is alternative music, not the mainstream pop that radio charts focus on. I think it is time to step away from that to some degree. See here for example an article that is now about a year old, but still explores many current genres and may be interesting for some. I could see Adam dabble in at least a few of these sounds without any problem, some others are more instrumental in nature and less relevant. But they are examples for music that is out there, getting heard, and is running utterly outside of the world of radio. www.maniacmusic.net/home/blog/6-new-music-genres-you-need-to-hear-coming-in-2016Maybe some discover a few good genres along the way or enjoy some of this music. The bottom-line to any of this is, it would lead Adam to more collaboration rather than less. I think that would suit him as well as us. We shall see.
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Post by mszue on Dec 19, 2016 17:01:15 GMT -5
Well now patti...are you defining "mainstream" as automatically 'average' or 'normal' or 'not queer'??? What standards make this "They were sooooooooooooo far out there, no way they would ever have mainstream success." not homophobic ....or choose your term but means the same. I mean as long as even WE can blithely assume that anything not fitting a heteronormative template, will never be "mainstream", the situation has not a prayer of changing and we are really simple corroboratingTranter's claims. I do not see gun-toting, 10 gallon wearing western wear with twangy nasal vocals as anything approaching my definition of mainstream...so why is that cowboy not considered 'out there'? I would offer that if that cowboy wore pink he would suddenly be considered non-mainstream even if everything else about his vocals and performance remained the same. Ergo....the issue is the 'pink'...the gay.... I think Patti is defining "mainstream" is being NOT pop radio friendly. I've never seen semi precious weapons live but I just listen to three of their YouTube videos and I would agree that they are not mainstream in that I would classify their music is being indie rock or even punk rock, although I am no expert in music genres. Those genres of music are not mainstream in that you will not hear them on mainstream pop radio stations, maybe on a rock radio station but not on a pop radio station. A cowboy singer would also not be mainstream pop, but might fit into country radio which is very big, even bigger than pop in many areas of the U.S. Country music is big enough to be considered mainstream in the U.S., but not in other parts of the world. Rock music is not big enough anymore to be considered mainstream at this time. Well if the term 'pop' were added to the word mainstream, I would be far more inclined to agree with you but that is not how I would define, and take 'mainstream' to mean. I looked up the term and this is the online definition: main·stream ˈmānˌstrēm/Submit noun 1. the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts. "companies that are bringing computers to the mainstream of American life" adjective 1. belonging to or characteristic of the mainstream. "mainstream politics" synonyms: normal, conventional, ordinary, orthodox, conformist, accepted, established, recognized, common, usual, prevailing, popular "the mainstream audience may not be ready for these graphic sculptures" verb 1. bring (something) into the mainstream. "vegetarianism has been mainstreamed"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 17:07:18 GMT -5
geezlouise, have you ever seen Semi Precious Weapons Live? I have! They were sooooooooooooo far out there, no way they would ever have mainstream success. And look at Bonnie McKee! Incredible songwriter! 2 of the biggest hits off Katy Perry's previous album! Great personality, very pretty! She knows all the right people But she can not make it as a solo artist. Sometimes, (often) we simply can not define or find a reason for why one artist is bigger than another. I have come to the conclusion, it has a lot to do with luck & right place at the right time. Or in music's case, "the right song at the right time!" Well now patti...are you defining "mainstream" as automatically 'average' or 'normal' or 'not queer'??? What standards make this "They were sooooooooooooo far out there, no way they would ever have mainstream success." not homophobic ....or choose your term but means the same. I mean as long as even WE can blithely assume that anything not fitting a heteronormative template, will never be "mainstream", the situation has not a prayer of changing and we are really simple corroboratingTranter's claims. I do not see gun-toting, 10 gallon wearing western wear with twangy nasal vocals as anything approaching my definition of mainstream...so why is that cowboy not considered 'out there'? I would offer that if that cowboy wore pink he would suddenly be considered non-mainstream even if everything else about his vocals and performance remained the same. Ergo....the issue is the 'pink'...the gay.... I am defining mainstream in terms of his own music. Perhaps using current musical trends.! Please doNOT put words In my mouth, mszue! ETA: I find your reply extremely confrontational for no good reason!
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 19, 2016 17:10:22 GMT -5
Bristol Post @bristolpost Another day, another Glastonbury 2017 rumour. www.bristolpost.co.uk/british-rock-royalty-eye-glastonbury-2017-slot/story-29993647-detail/story.htmlBritish rock royalty fancy a pop at playing Glastonbury 2017 as headliner rumours gain pace. Another, keen to join them on the bill, is iconic band Queen. Famous for songs, Bohemian Rhapsody and We Will Rock You amongst many others, the group have toured with singer Adam Lambert in recent years. He's wowed crowds overcoming the unenviable task of replacing the deceased Freddie Mercury. I doubt that Brian May would ever consent to play for Glastonberry. The owner of Glastonberry is on the polar opposite end of the animal rights issue that is so important to Brian. As I remember when he was asked Adam said he would consider playing Glastonberry "if they ask me" not if they ask QAL. I think it would be more likely that Adam would consent to play Glastonberry as a solo artist then Brian would ever play Glastonberry. But who knows, maybe Brian will consent to play and donate all the money to animal-rights charity.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 19, 2016 17:21:04 GMT -5
I think Patti is defining "mainstream" is being NOT pop radio friendly. I've never seen semi precious weapons live but I just listen to three of their YouTube videos and I would agree that they are not mainstream in that I would classify their music is being indie rock or even punk rock, although I am no expert in music genres. Those genres of music are not mainstream in that you will not hear them on mainstream pop radio stations, maybe on a rock radio station but not on a pop radio station. A cowboy singer would also not be mainstream pop, but might fit into country radio which is very big, even bigger than pop in many areas of the U.S. Country music is big enough to be considered mainstream in the U.S., but not in other parts of the world. Rock music is not big enough anymore to be considered mainstream at this time. Well if the term 'pop' were added to the word mainstream, I would be far more inclined to agree with you but that is not how I would define, and take 'mainstream' to mean. I looked up the term and this is the online definition: main·stream ˈmānˌstrēm/Submit noun 1. the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts. "companies that are bringing computers to the mainstream of American life" adjective 1. belonging to or characteristic of the mainstream. "mainstream politics" synonyms: normal, conventional, ordinary, orthodox, conformist, accepted, established, recognized, common, usual, prevailing, popular "the mainstream audience may not be ready for these graphic sculptures" verb 1. bring (something) into the mainstream. "vegetarianism has been mainstreamed" There is always more than one definition to a word. Just because the dictionary gives one definition as the primary definition does not mean that that is how the word is mainly used to in a particular situation. Note that one the synonyms listed in the definition is "popular". In the case of music, "mainstream" music generally means "popular", as in the type of music most widely listened to, which is basically "pop" music. Even looking at the definition "dominant trend ... in arts", that fits pop music as mainstream. The definition "normal" does not fit here. That is not how the term "mainstream" is used when applied to music.
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Post by mszue on Dec 19, 2016 17:42:51 GMT -5
Well if the term 'pop' were added to the word mainstream, I would be far more inclined to agree with you but that is not how I would define, and take 'mainstream' to mean. I looked up the term and this is the online definition: main·stream ˈmānˌstrēm/Submit noun 1. the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts. "companies that are bringing computers to the mainstream of American life" adjective 1. belonging to or characteristic of the mainstream. "mainstream politics" synonyms: normal, conventional, ordinary, orthodox, conformist, accepted, established, recognized, common, usual, prevailing, popular "the mainstream audience may not be ready for these graphic sculptures" verb 1. bring (something) into the mainstream. "vegetarianism has been mainstreamed" There is always more than one definition to a word. Just because the dictionary gives one definition as the primary definition does not mean that that is how the word is mainly used to in a particular situation. Note that one the synonyms listed in the definition is "popular". In the case of music, "mainstream" music generally means "popular", as in the type of music most widely listened to, which is basically "pop" music. Even looking at the definition "dominant trend ... in arts", that fits pop music as mainstream. The definition "normal" does not fit here. That is not how the term "mainstream" is used when applied to music. OK...this is my last post on this as I really get frustrated when meanings and words are switched at will as if the original posts did not really say what the words and context displayed. The original short message that I referenced did not at all use the term pop and the use of mainstream was used in the context of performance style, not music genre. Pop as a genre is not the same as the term popular in a definition, even if the etymology of the word refers to the term. Patti, I am not trying to pull you into anything...I was just showing how even those of us who love Adam in all his iterations, can fall into the trap of using the term mainstream in an exclusive sort of way. I know you do not mean to be at all dismissive of Tranter or a gay display...but we actually lack even the terminology to say what we mean because of the heteronormativity of language itself!....for what it is worth, this is what Michel Foucault wrote on and made himself famous for...showing how the power to name is so important and how that power is used and abused. over and out....going to make myself a cuppa and read something lite...lol
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