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Post by sizzling63 on Mar 21, 2017 12:39:45 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't get the concern over the "venue." The Standard is a good hotel in downtown LA and also WeHo. Not sure once a month or once in 8 eyars would be considered "hanging out there." Adam was/is a club kid. He goes to gay events and drag queen events all the time. Have you seen The Abbey? Ever been there? I would not worry about the Standard! One more thing!! From Pop That Lock! If you got the key then baby, pop that lock
Banshee Boys and Dancey Girls get down down down
I had no concerns about the hotel itself as for me it is more about how Adam presents himself. This recent one made me a bit uncomfortable for some reason and I was curious what others think. I always appreciate honest feedback and a healthy discussion. No, I have never been to The Abbey, but I have seen pictures and heard "stories" (haha) from from people who visited. I have a gay son btw. and he goes to places as well, so I am somewhat familiar with the scene.
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Post by sizzling63 on Mar 21, 2017 13:17:29 GMT -5
Gotta really disagree with previous two posts, by sizzling and SophieB . Adam knows and accepts that for some reason the straight world, or at least some of it, cares what is going on in his world including the gay world, and he lives publicly very open. But he wants to keep it real, rather than show a 'cleaned up version' thereof. I think it is normal for people to occasionally let their guard down and not behave 'age appropriate'. I remember days when these pages were full of glambulge related posts and similar silliness, and you could also shake your head and say how age-inappropriate that was. Being silly at times, is part of life, this was our way. Obviously, their way of being silly is different than ours, I would not enjoy their type of self-expression, but obviously, that is why I am here and not somewhere in that world. The difference to other artists and public figures is, that Adam does not care or at least does not shrink back from being himself, to honor a certain 'public image', like most public figures do. And obviously, just like you react with a bit of 'yikes', so does of course the rest of the world. They either do not care about him or unfollow him, once they find out which way his plays his public cards. I think it is an intentional message to the world on his part, with disregard to the financial implications of this. Every once in a while, I pick up my courage and listen for a few minutes or so to the nonsense that is spewing out of American conservative radio hosts mouth, in an attempt to grasp what the other political side is actually inhaling, and I can ensure you, their view of a few gay men getting together is that they are all deprived animals, that spend their time in depravity, having orgies where everybody seems to have 'perverted sex' with everybody. Do I know that this reflects more what is going on in the head of the radio host, rather than what is going on in the gay community? Of course. But does the average listener know? Clearly not. Adam bravely holds his Snapchat / Instragam / whatever account up against this onslaught. I doubt that these pigs are hearing any of it, they probably would just poo-poo it, should they come across it. But I think that this is exactly where a fan community comes in. a) in holding the artist up so he is free to do so, and does not need the massive public approval that comes with being 'squeeky clean', and secondly, to occasionally, when the situation allows, to stand up for what Adam does. Not everybody listens to conservative talk radio and has their mind calcified. Some people can be educated. And Adam has in many ways taught me a thing of two about what needs to change to improve acceptance. It is not only about laws, it is about widening attitudes. And in that we have to work on ourselves, when tastes differ, but we sometimes also get a chance to put a word in for Adam and his community.I too have learned a lot from Adam and through his fan community - in fact my unconditional support and obsession about Adam made my son's coming out almost a "non event" - good for him and us I have also learned that a strong fan community has the power to hold an artist up, despite differing tastes and views within the fandom. We all share the same passion, but we do not agree on everything either, which I think is healthy. In the end, I think we all have to keep the artist in mind.
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Post by sizzling63 on Mar 21, 2017 13:20:00 GMT -5
Gosh if only Adam would get married already settle down with three kids,a house with a picket fence & live in suburbia.. What is he waiting for?? smirk I don't think a picket fence is necessary
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Post by sizzling63 on Mar 21, 2017 13:28:41 GMT -5
melliemom you reminded me of the picture with Sauli ...but you forgot the dog!!! @sophiab Craazyforadam I think you both have good points. I think there is a certain truth that this "outdated, steriotypical way"...may at times a least be more an act than being themselves. But isn´t hard to even say about ones sleve what is act and was is being ones true self? People can have many faccets to their personality. Yes, we all enjoy different things, and we're all silly and stupid at times...which I think is a wonderful quality. Wouldn't the world be boring if it were otherwise? A quality we all admire about Adam is that he couldn't care less about what people think, or at least he's not going to hide. I think he does care what people think, and I think he still gets hurt by stupid, ignorant remarks on social media. But...that doesn't keep him from being himself or at least stop him from showing a more "playful" side once in a while. (I think it is my protective nature that would like him to not share too much)
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Post by sizzling63 on Mar 21, 2017 13:33:39 GMT -5
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Post by Craazyforadam on Mar 21, 2017 18:26:58 GMT -5
sizzling, your caring for Adam always comes through and your posts show that care. Just wanted you to know that. Sometimes we cannot protect him, especially when he goes and does stuff that pokes that public skin. Please don't let this discussion get anymore under yours. It was one video and a couple different opinions. That is what a place like this is for. Exchange of thoughts and experiences, given that we all decided to follow someone who dishes out the material, at times. Hugs. I think we will all need to toughen up a bit for A4. Just a hunch. PS: SophieB msg for you too, btw.
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Post by skaschep on Mar 21, 2017 18:49:51 GMT -5
Wow quite some discussion going on in yesterdays thread.
I too have thought about Adam going to these clubs and sharing what he is doing. I don't really mind him doing that. It's his live after all and we do know he likes to party.
I think him showing this to the world and going there might have two reasons (beside maybe having a good time).
1 he wants to show us his world and all that is going on there. I have learned a lot on these past two years from him about the gay community and also am impressed by the complexity of it all.
2 he wants to show support to his community. Letting them know that he hasn't forgotten about them. You always see tweets or posts about him being there from owners or organizers. Some of them also being his friends.
He's been very busy in the last couple of years and I am glad for him that he has the time now to visit places that he might not have had time to visit for a while. I'm also proud that he feels comfortable enough to show us all of this. Even though it's pretty quiet we still get glimpses of what he's doing. I'm glad he's sharing!
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Post by sizzling63 on Mar 21, 2017 20:29:07 GMT -5
sizzling , your caring for Adam always comes through and your posts show that care. Just wanted you to know that. Sometimes we cannot protect him, especially when he goes and does stuff that pokes that public skin. Please don't let this discussion get anymore under yours. It was one video and a couple different opinions. That is what a place like this is for. Exchange of thoughts and experiences, given that we all decided to follow someone who dishes out the material, at times. Hugs. I think we will all need to toughen up a bit for A4. Just a hunch. PS: SophieB msg for you too, btw. Thanks for this post. I'm good.
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Post by SophieB on Mar 22, 2017 4:00:26 GMT -5
sizzling , your caring for Adam always comes through and your posts show that care. Just wanted you to know that. Sometimes we cannot protect him, especially when he goes and does stuff that pokes that public skin. Please don't let this discussion get anymore under yours. It was one video and a couple different opinions. That is what a place like this is for. Exchange of thoughts and experiences, given that we all decided to follow someone who dishes out the material, at times. Hugs. I think we will all need to toughen up a bit for A4. Just a hunch. PS: SophieB msg for you too, btw. Thanks, CraazyforAdam..... but I'm tough enough i just think that smart arse responses (not yours) are unhelpful when people are putting forward views. Doesn't even have to be my views. Feel it undermines what this kind of community should be about. And I will always feel a slight conflict with 'post-Gay-Adam' and. what I see as his presentation of the effeminate gay world he inhabits.
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Post by marionm on Mar 22, 2017 4:47:34 GMT -5
The discussion reminds me of what came up when Adam celebrated Bowies Birthday all "glamed-up" with lipstick and all...
what is the "true Adam"...stripped/toned down Adam where some persumed it is to appeal to a more mainstream audience or all glamed up...as I've said then...I think it's both "in him" and only he knows when he wants to channel which part...
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