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Post by cassie on Dec 30, 2017 2:19:59 GMT -5
It is a major third lower. Adam sings it in the original key of E minor. Il Divo sings it in C minor. And what key do The Tenors and Freddie live sing it in? The Tenors and Freddie both start the song in D minor. The Tenors modulate up half a step toward the end of the song, to D# minor. It is interesting how a difference of even one step lower makes it easier to sing, range wise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 2:34:43 GMT -5
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Post by pi on Dec 30, 2017 3:11:25 GMT -5
I'm curious why the tenors would sing the song in a lower key than Adam, since they are tenors like Adam? Cassie, those were really good points you made in the comments to the comparison video. Ah. There's the rub. Even tho' they are classically trained and tenors, they are NOT tenors like Adam. Adam is a special type of tenor, referred to as leggiero tenor in classical music. They have a higher range than other tenors, and a brighter, livelier tone on top with an almost baritone sound in their low register. Very rare. And even among leggiero tenors, I think Adam's tone is exceptional. It has so many harmonic overtones to it. That's why I brought this VT over. To illustrate that even accounting for training and technique, Adam is extraordinary. Wow fascinating! To my untrained ears, it's even more amazing that you can elucidate all the specific differences.. I just know that Adam's voice resonates with me.
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Post by 3ku1 on Dec 30, 2017 3:51:58 GMT -5
Freddie was the greatest live singer in modern music history. The best recorded live version of WWTLF was in Budapest. In the late seventies I beleive. Adam is technically a far supeior singer to Freddie. In fact their is not one singer I can think of who technically touches Adam. Emotionally yes, techincally no. Adam is up their with Plant, Mercury, Tyler, Buckley, Tate, Dickinson e.t.c. I do think it is pointless comparing Adam and Freddie on WWTLF. Interesting discussion don't get me wrong. But it is all down to tastes, and specefic assements.
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Post by marionm on Dec 30, 2017 4:18:45 GMT -5
cassie I'd love to hear about the technical difference and difference of voice between Freddie and Adam, what you refer to in your comment on youtube. If you don't mind taking the time to write about it (Or just point me to a previous post of yours, should I have missed you talking about it already)
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Post by vilynka87 on Dec 30, 2017 7:11:46 GMT -5
Just for fun... YT recommended this version of WWTLF to me. Weird, vampire version, I guess. But I bring this over because it is sung by classically trained tenors. Comparing Freddie and Adam is like comparing apples and oranges because their voices and training are so different. But here, we can compare other classically trained tenors to Adam. Singers who say they sing operatic pop. More like comparing oranges and tangerines?? With my classical background, I don't expect Freddie to compare to Adam, vocally. But, these guys, maybe? They are good, but..... nope. Adam's voice has so much more purity and resonance of tone, so much more ring. Can you hear the difference? And yes, they sing the tune in a lower key than Adam, too. youtu.be/IbYG30ucL7Q?t=1m24swww.youtube.com/watch?v=bc-AmpIVJWMFor me the 4 guys are too plain, they could've sang with a bit more passion, emotion.
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Post by nightowl on Dec 30, 2017 7:59:38 GMT -5
Freddie was the greatest live singer in modern music history. The best recorded live version of WWTLF was in Budapest. In the late seventies I beleive. Adam is technically a far supeior singer to Freddie. In fact their is not one singer I can think of who technically touches Adam. Emotionally yes, techincally no. Adam is up their with Plant, Mercury, Tyler, Buckley, Tate, Dickinson e.t.c. I do think it is pointless comparing Adam and Freddie on WWTLF. Interesting discussion don't get me wrong. But it is all down to tastes, and specefic assements. I completely agree with you. And to get the dates right: Budapest was in 1986. WWTLF isn’t that old.😉 It’s just old enough that Freddie had the opportunity to sing it live in concerts. But not as often as Adam. So in the end Adam has had much more time to develop his singing of this particular song (although I think he did it perfectly from the beginning).
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Post by Craazyforadam on Dec 30, 2017 8:20:03 GMT -5
These who is better discussions are not making me happy. I posted that video, because the video was imo well done, and because most of the comments on the video carefully stayed away from negatives, and did a good job at giving Adam credit without dissing Freddie. Well suit yourself.
Here are a few other thoughts though: I am not one of these 'higher is always better' apostles. Yes, for Adam, higher is often better, because this is where his voice sits, but that does not mean that another artist has to also sing higher, just to compete. When performing a song, there are two things that need to come together, imo: a) what does the song require to bring out the intention and atmosphere of the song correctly. And b) what suits the performer.
The two need to find a happy marriage, otherwise it is better not to perform the song at all. But just because you have the higher voice, does not make you automatically better. It just defines where your voice sits and might limit you in what songs you can or should take on.
In my mind, Adam owns the song today. Not so much because he can take it high, but because his other vocal qualities, i.e. breath support, legato lines, etc, allow him to interpret the song so well.
But even with Adam, certain days where he performs with emotional depth will imo overwrite the specifics of how many times he takes the song up to specific high notes. The Isle of Write and the O2 versions and a few others stand out, because of their emotional focus. Magical moments! That cannot be forced. That happens, and with Adam it has happened many times, but some just still stand out above the rest.
I do not care too much for either of the group versions, tbh, just because the need to harmonize with each other takes away the ability to bring the individual emotional interpretation to the front. These performances become more about being vocally pretty, rather than intense. Freddie has the freedom to develop his own interpretation in the live version, of course, and does so. In the studio version, because of the choir, and the studio setting, he is also reigned in, but at least he is leading the effort, so he has a bit more control over the phrasing and the arch of the performance, even though it is pieced together, eventually.
Maybe, I need to go back to not liking comparison videos. Maybe I am also just not willing to hop on this band-waggon of 'Adam is the only one who can sing'. Don't get me wrong, I became an Adam fan because I realized how special and enormous his talent and ability is, but it is not like nobody else has a voice type similar to Adam, or can truly sing. I am thinking Lee Hyuk, Park Hyo Shin, Dimash Kudaibergen, Darren Espanto (mabye, he is still young). Anyhow, a small and elite circle, and Adam will always be my favorite, but I am just not willing to isolate him so much from the rest of the singing community. Must feel terribly lonely, if it were indeed true, thankfully it is not.
And then there are other people with different voice types, and they can also be interesting to listen to. Freddie falls into that latter category, of course.
We all have different opinions, I guess.
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Post by irish1139 on Dec 30, 2017 8:56:08 GMT -5
This is one of the most beautiful songs ever written no matter who sings it. Chills me every time I hear it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 9:18:10 GMT -5
New tickets were released a day or 2 before the show. Ohh I would have thought the new ones would be scooped up right away since there seemed to be so much demand.. Some people just stop looking after awhile! Especially if it involves travel or days off from work. Both the O2s shows were on week days.I hate when they do this "sold out" not sold out crap!! Same thing happened at several US venues.
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