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Post by Jablea on Jun 2, 2018 19:42:09 GMT -5
islandgirljams : My son just texted me from the theatre, new BR movie trailer played!! Saw the Bo Rhap movie trailer last weekend. The Dolby sound was phenomenal and the whole theater vibrated with every drum beat making you feel like you were in the first row of the concert. Super exciting! Anticipating great sales. Remi Malek was on one of the late night shows about it this week. Saw it posted by my neighbor Queen fan on Facebook so it's getting around.
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Post by 3ku1 on Jun 2, 2018 19:46:46 GMT -5
Adam gets a lot of recognition from the press for blazing a path, etc. And he also get recognition from other artists. Here's an example from a Billboard interview of Darren Hayes. (This whole interview is great IMO).
Q: What do you think was the most groundbreaking event in pop culture that has helped this shift towards LGBTQ acceptance since 2000?
A: Adam Lambert on American Idol. Hands down. He smashed down the door of the closet. I loved Adam’s image. It was an extension of his sexuality. It was bold and unapologetically theatrical. He expressed himself loudly, dramatically, and did not give a damn whether it was palatable to conservative values. I loved that he wore makeup, nail polish and experimented with his hair. He didn’t have to come out because he was never in. I think his success proved you can be out, proud and successful by beginning your career presenting yourself as authentically as possible.
I think this statement is not correct, "They don't use Rickey or Sam as examples of gay stars who made it before anyone knew."
Rickey Martin is often used as an example of gay stars in hiding. Rickey Martin being gay was widely known within the music industry and within the gay community. He just did not come out publicly. I don't think many of his avid fans were surprised since it was widely discussed for decades and apparent at concerts.
Sam Smith, on the other hand, publicly came out close to the beginning of his career -- in the U.S. he was not established but had just released his first single and album. I am not sure what "coming out" means any more. Sam, like Adam, was living publicly as a gay man since he was 18 and never "in." Here the timeline.
First UK hit "Money on My Mind" released in the UK February 12, 2014.
First US hit "Stay with Me" released on April 14, 2014. (first US solo single)
"In the Lonely Hour" released May 26, 2014.
Confirmed he was gay May 28, 2014. (published article)
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I read the whole interview and it was amazing. Darren Hayes really had a hard time of it as a school boy and a young man. He was bullied, beat up, and everything that comes with that. Read the whole interview if you have time. Interesting that, after all he has been through, he gives huge credit to Adam for doing what he did on Idol. That's mighty powerful praise, IMO. Well I honestly beleive Adam well/has done for LGBT Artists what Michael Jackson did for African American Artists. I mean Darren was right before 2009. In Mainstream alot of the most succesfull LGBT artists. Were in TV or movies. I Think for the music industry. The defining moment was Adam in 2009. He was over the top, theatrical. And made no apologies about it. That just grew in 2010. As for Adams comments on his album. Yeah sounds like he has been influenced alot from the 70s/80s. As he should. Rock, Funk, Blues, Soul. Sounds good.
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Post by Jablea on Jun 2, 2018 19:59:18 GMT -5
Of course Adam was out before Idol. Unabashedly. Not just to close family and friends, but in his daily life. I find it bizarre that gay people are expected to self-identify to casual acquaintances and total strangers. We don't expect folks to announce their religious status at work, at the grocery store, or at the PTA. Nor their ethnic background. Or their marital status. Or whether they vote democrat or republican. Why should they have to state their orientation? It pisses me off. I think one reason Adam got so much attention about his orientation during and right after Idol was precisely because he did not try to act straight. Did not edit himself to appear different than he was. If he had wanted to hide his orientation on Idol, he would have made different choices in song choice, styling, staging and costuming. We all modify our behavior to fit the various situations we find ourselves in at work or play. I don't go on and on about my Adam obsession with casual acquaintances, for example. And I realize that talking at length about my wonderful dog pack on Adamtopia doesn't fit. I don't see a need to "out" myself as a Glambert or as "the crazy dog lady". Adam was auditioning for a job. It was about presenting himself as an entertainer, highlighting the things he can do performance wise and production wise. After Idol, Adam made some bold choices that drew the spotlight to him. Some rebellious, defiant choices. And probably some naive choices. Over time his choices have proven to have a profound impact on young LGBT kids and on fans of all ages who have been inspired by his mantra of self-confidence and being oneself. That is the important thing to me, not whether the media writes that he came out after Idol. Also, I think Adam has chosen to talk about his orientation on this round of interviews because it is Gay Pride month, right? Is Pride month world-wide? Something I've noticed in these interviews is that he is emphasizing the word "Queer" instead or "LGBTQ" and I'm wondering if that is an UK/Europe thing (although I don't remember it from before) or if the queer world or just Adam is getting tired of initials?
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Post by Q3 on Jun 2, 2018 20:03:55 GMT -5
Actually the reason that public figures have to "come out" specifically to the media is that there was a period of time where people were being "outed" by the media. Some of it unfortunately was driven by gay radical activists pushing for visibility. There was a lot of pressure being applied to public figures to come out. I believe there may have been some lawsuits and the media was the restricted to not being able to state someone was gay, etc. unless the person had specifically confirmed it to the media. This was likely a position driven by legal departments. So basically no matter how much evidence there was available publicly about Adam's sexuality none of the media outlets would take the risk of definitively stating that he was gay until he, himself publicly did so. Excellent point -- still going on and there are still lawsuits.
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Post by Q3 on Jun 2, 2018 20:05:25 GMT -5
adamlambert London: June 2nd!
I think that...
1. Adam is bored.
2. He is definitely trying to kill me.
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Post by Q3 on Jun 2, 2018 20:47:50 GMT -5
I read the whole interview and it was amazing. Darren Hayes really had a hard time of it as a school boy and a young man. He was bullied, beat up, and everything that comes with that. Read the whole interview if you have time. Interesting that, after all he has been through, he gives huge credit to Adam for doing what he did on Idol. That's mighty powerful praise, IMO. Well I honestly beleive Adam well/has done for LGBT Artists what Michael Jackson did for African American Artists. I mean Darren was right before 2009. In Mainstream alot of the most succesfull LGBT artists. Were in TV or movies. I Think for the music industry. The defining moment was Adam in 2009. He was over the top, theatrical. And made no apologies about it. That just grew in 2010. As for Adams comments on his album. Yeah sounds like he has been influenced alot from the 70s/80s. As he should. Rock, Funk, Blues, Soul. Sounds good. In reverse order -- I think the bits he has said about the album sound promising.
Adam undoubtedly did a lot to breakdown barriers for LBGTQ artists -- particularly in the US.
I don't think the comparison to Michael Jackson makes much sense -- not to rehash the history of African American music, but Adam is more parallel to the early African American artists who achieved commericial success -- perhaps Louis Armstrong or Ella Fitzgerald. By the time Thriller was released (1984) there were very few barriers to black artists in the US and hiphop/rap destroyed most of the remaining barriers.
Gay artists were not signed to major labels before 2009 -- the one exception is Jobriath (1973) and that was such a disaster that it was used as a cautionary tale for decades by label executives. Jobriath makes Adam look conservative. And US radio did not play music by indie artist and all the gay artists were not with major labels. And major US retailers did not stock records by unknown artists who were not distributed by a major label. Things have changed, and Adam's timing was good. Digital music sale and streaming media also gave music consumers the power.
And even with direct access to music, the three big labels are responsible for 62.4% of global music sales. So Adam getting a major label deal and being commercially successful really mattered.
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Post by Q3 on Jun 2, 2018 20:57:00 GMT -5
Of course Adam was out before Idol. Unabashedly. Not just to close family and friends, but in his daily life. I find it bizarre that gay people are expected to self-identify to casual acquaintances and total strangers. We don't expect folks to announce their religious status at work, at the grocery store, or at the PTA. Nor their ethnic background. Or their marital status. Or whether they vote democrat or republican. Why should they have to state their orientation? It pisses me off. I think one reason Adam got so much attention about his orientation during and right after Idol was precisely because he did not try to act straight. Did not edit himself to appear different than he was. If he had wanted to hide his orientation on Idol, he would have made different choices in song choice, styling, staging and costuming. We all modify our behavior to fit the various situations we find ourselves in at work or play. I don't go on and on about my Adam obsession with casual acquaintances, for example. And I realize that talking at length about my wonderful dog pack on Adamtopia doesn't fit. I don't see a need to "out" myself as a Glambert or as "the crazy dog lady". Adam was auditioning for a job. It was about presenting himself as an entertainer, highlighting the things he can do performance wise and production wise. After Idol, Adam made some bold choices that drew the spotlight to him. Some rebellious, defiant choices. And probably some naive choices. Over time his choices have proven to have a profound impact on young LGBT kids and on fans of all ages who have been inspired by his mantra of self-confidence and being oneself. That is the important thing to me, not whether the media writes that he came out after Idol. Also, I think Adam has chosen to talk about his orientation on this round of interviews because it is Gay Pride month, right? Is Pride month world-wide? Something I've noticed in these interviews is that he is emphasizing the word "Queer" instead or "LGBTQ" and I'm wondering if that is an UK/Europe thing (although I don't remember it from before) or if the queer world or just Adam is getting tired of initials? I think the use of the word Queer is more of a UK/EU thing.
Pride month is not global and is now mostly in June across the US. Some US Presidents has issued proclamations for June Pride Month.
LBGT History Month in the US is in October (Coincides with National Coming Out day on October 11). February is LBGT History Month in the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 20:59:06 GMT -5
adamlambert London: June 2nd!
I think that...
1. Adam is bored.
2. He is definitely trying to kill me.
Bored? I seriously doubt it, he was sitting beside a pool full of cute swimsuited guys...😎
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Post by girldrummer on Jun 2, 2018 21:35:56 GMT -5
Is Pride month world-wide? Something I've noticed in these interviews is that he is emphasizing the word "Queer" instead or "LGBTQ" and I'm wondering if that is an UK/Europe thing (although I don't remember it from before) or if the queer world or just Adam is getting tired of initials? I think the use of the word Queer is more of a UK/EU thing.
Pride month is not global and is now mostly in June across the US. Some US Presidents has issued proclamations for June Pride Month.
LBGT History Month in the US is in October (Coincides with National Coming Out day on October 11). February is LBGT History Month in the UK.
Love your post, cassie. Perfectly said. As Adam has said many time, being gay is just part of who he is. He is many things, just as we all are. So, I don't feel the need to introduce myself to someone and say, "Hello, my name is girldrummer and I'm a Methodist," any more than Adam has to introduce himself by his name and his orientation when he meets someone. Even if someone senses that a person is gay, it's not something to just bring up out of sheer curiosity (or rudeness). Adam also said in an interview, probably more than once, that gay people are as diverse a group as are the members of any other large group. "We're not all the same," I remember him saying.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Jun 2, 2018 21:38:07 GMT -5
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