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Post by MeggyMeg on Mar 24, 2019 9:40:14 GMT -5
Good discussion. You make some valid points. Hope your hunch is correct.
And I agree social media can vile and toxic to relationships. It sure ruined one of mine.
And yikes, those J+A fan made IG accounts are nothing short of creepy.
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Post by lurleene on Mar 24, 2019 10:50:54 GMT -5
Interesting. I don‘t get that vibe from Javi. He only drops little hints. You would never assume, that Adam was his boyfriend from looking at his social media profiles. Only Adam‘s hardcore fans recognize his 2-3 clothes in these. For someone, who seems to have been dating Adam for 5 months and possibly lives with him, Javi keeps a very low profile, IMO. It doesn‘t come across to me as almost bragging at all. It‘s the first or second pic of Pharaoh by Javi. Then there have 2-3 little videos, all only in his stories, that disappear within 24 hours. Plus about once a week a pic with a the sight from the balcony or so. Both Javi and Adam seem to be very happy at the moment. Adam has been glowing from the inside everytime I saw him during these past months. And Javi seems to be happy too. For me his little hints are just outbursts of his happiness. I mean, usually, when you find a new love, you are over the moon and want to show and share that. Since Adam is a celebrity, that wouldn’t be wise. So he must keep silent, which can be very hard. Of course, when you`re in a bad place, it‘s easy to get burnt. I‘m actually not sure, if Adam even was in that bad a place in November. That song was written in March/April last year. That low time, when he felt depressed might have been in 2017. Before he decided to change management, leave the label and buy a new house. Adam actually told this in his lyrics (Feel Something): I've been leaving my heart in all the wrong places Took it back way too soon when I should've been patient I built all these walls so no one could break inTruth is I miss those nights when my heart could be naked Adam knows, that he must be careful about whom he can trust. That‘s always the hardest part, when you are meeting someone new. And it‘s much harder for celebrities, of course. So Adam knows, how to play the game, he is no fool. I get from this song, that he feels, that he was too careful or impatient at times in the past. But he has to trust a possible partner to build a relationship. Otherwise he would stay a bachelor forever. I believe, Adam knows, how to handle his relationship. And that it isn‘t Javi‘s fault, that some glamberts created Adam+Javi accounts on instagram or are spreading every little hint in spades on social media. I think, we are all happy for Adam, should he have found love. Besides, I‘m watching German TV at the moment while writing. They have WWFM as their background music. I don't get that Javi is dropping a lot of hints or bragging either. That was done way more with Adam's last relationships. And "marking territory" was done all the time before, tho, Adam kept saying he was single. People chose to believe the hints and not what Adam said. I don't hear Adam saying he is single now. What Javi has posted is minor in comparison but fans keep following and posting every little thing he does. I like hearing about what they are doing sometimes within reason and without feeling like an invasion of their privacy. But Javi's work schedule? Even pictures of them not together are put together then posted. It is as if fans don't care if Adam and Javi want to go so public at this time but some fans are going to do it for them anyway. And Javi, from what I can see, comes off as way more mature than some of the Adam's older friends and relationships. I think knowing his age, unfair assumptions are being made. But he is a college graduate and an adult and seems pretty sophisticated. More important he and Adam appear happy. But Adam is in the relationship so HE is a better judge than any outsiders about how things are working out. I don't think Adam is a fool. But I wish fans would allow Adam to find happiness without trying to invade his privacy and judging his choices too much. Even if the relationship fails to work out long term, that happens all the time in life and may not be at the hands of Javi. It should not be at the hands of fans either. Adam wrote the heartfelt message but I got the impression that career issues were a bigger problem than personal ones. But if he wants to spend more time now developing a relationship with someone, it should be respected. At the end of the day, it is Adam's choice to be with Javi or not. But I don't see Adam as someone who is easily deceived and taken advantage of. The only thing fans can do is trust his judgment and wish him the best.
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Post by sizzling63 on Mar 24, 2019 12:28:20 GMT -5
Hey MeggyMeg , I just read your comment ... " I don't know, the way he keeps dropping those Adam hints on social media almost feel like "marking territory" and to me comes across almost as bragging. Pretty juvenile, if you ask me.
And for the intimacy part, etc. We know that Adsm has been feeling low and in that vulnerable state, it's easy to pin our "happiness" on one person, in this case a person who is very young . And that's a very risky thing to do since the crash can be even worse when that relationship ends. Real, stable happiness can only come from within.
I know Adam is an adult and makes his own decisions, I'm just saying when we're in a bad place, it's easy to get burnt. I'm personally not going to get into the 'shipping match between this guy or that guy as I don't really know any of them. Just hope Adam is very careful." I haven't read other responses yet but here are my thoughts... I think what some see as bragging is what others see as charming and cute. I do not mind the bits of info currently as they provide a small window into Adam's life, and I assume if Adam didn't approve of some of Javi's posts he would say so. Still, we can only make assumptions from what we see and hope for good judgement on Adam's side. For me, the thought of his heart bouncing back is a comforting one, even though no one gets the guarantee of ever lasting love. I do not "ship" anybody in particular but I do like the impression that Adam is opening himself up to dating and being in a relationship again, as he had "built walls" for a while. However, I do hope that he still sees a counselor as a way to keep his feet on the ground and his heart at the right place. A lot of people do it in order to maintain their mental health and I think for a celebrity it is even more important. From what I am gathering, Adam took some time to work on himself and get out of the dark, and hopefully he has learned strategies to stay grounded. Right now I see the "glass half full" in many ways actually - Adam may be taking risks but at the same time sometimes it's worth it. I agree that we as a fandom have to be careful to not rely on one person for Adam's happiness. He himself is responsible for that.
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Post by marionm on Mar 24, 2019 12:42:11 GMT -5
Adam brought Javi to the Oscars, so i think the relationship is quite committed on their side. As i said i fully trust Adams judgment of people.
A BIG yes to Adams happiness is his own responsibility! You can't rely on someone else to make your life interesting, worth while, the center of your life. (which has nothing to do with being a worldwide entertainer, i hope people get what I mean) It's this you have to love yourself before you can love someone else.
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Post by vankimber on Mar 24, 2019 13:25:33 GMT -5
Good discussion. You make some valid points. Hope your hunch is correct. And I agree social media can vile and toxic to relationships. It sure ruined one of mine. And yikes, those J+A fan made IG accounts are nothing short of creepy. I know just what you mean about "creepy." I used to live on the same street as Donny & Marie Osmond, back when their show was big. I saw some truly creepy goings on from people who would do virtually anything to try to get close to them, and that was before there was even a hint of social media. It boggles my mind to think how much worse things are today for someone who has obsessive fans. I worry sometimes that the term "Glambert" may be starting to be associated with creepiness more than devotion. I hope not, but I have noticed myself being more careful about applying it to myself now, after proudly wearing it for 10 years.
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Post by sizzling63 on Mar 24, 2019 16:32:05 GMT -5
Good discussion. You make some valid points. Hope your hunch is correct. And I agree social media can vile and toxic to relationships. It sure ruined one of mine. And yikes, those J+A fan made IG accounts are nothing short of creepy. I know just what you mean about "creepy." I used to live on the same street as Donny & Marie Osmond, back when their show was big. I saw some truly creepy goings on from people who would do virtually anything to try to get close to them, and that was before there was even a hint of social media. It boggles my mind to think how much worse things are today for someone who has obsessive fans. I worry sometimes that the term "Glambert" may be starting to be associated with creepiness more than devotion. I hope not, but I have noticed myself being more careful about applying it to myself now, after proudly wearing it for 10 years. Every celebrity seems to have OTT or obsessive fans, and I agree that social media doesn't help. It's probably best for those in the public eye to stay mostly private as some overly invested fans can be intrusive and harmful. I think Adam is doing the right thing currently but he appears to be okay with Javi's IG activity which only "insiders" seem to pick up. I think as long as his IG is public there is no harm in respectfully discussing what he posts. About the Glamberts... I do not agree with your statement that the term "Glambert" may become associated with creepiness. Everybody of course draws the line a bit differently and thus has their own definition of what's considered "creepy" or OTT but I personally haven't seen a lot of weird stuff at all, on the contrary I find discussions and comments mostly discrete and respectful and I like to focus on that and not on a handful of people who are offensive or out of line on some specially created accounts or sites. That stuff is off the radar anyways, isn't it? I think it was a lot worse in the past when some "ships" were sailing wildly, but currently I do not see a lot of weird stuff about Adam and Javi either here or on twitter or anywhere else. Javi's IG is not private and everybody can leave comments, so it is up to him how to deal with that. Delete the nasties or make his IG private. May be I am oblivious or may be I just follow the right people but it seems that one really has to seek out the crazies. I also see almost exclusively positive comments on Adams' IG. I have no reason to put the fandom down just because a few people don't behave properly. I am proud to be a Glambert, always have been. We are a passionate and invested fandom and many of us, me included, are interested in various aspects of Adam's life, and I don't see any harm in that as long as we leave Adam and those close to him alone and not tell them how to live their lives. I have met many great folks here on this site, at concerts, privately, and even on twitter, and what I see is fans that care a great deal - they are passionate, patient, and supportive, and of course they have opinions. We are interested in Adam as a person as the complexity of his life informs his art, doesn't it?
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Post by marionm on Mar 24, 2019 16:59:40 GMT -5
sizzling63 absolutely right! Every star has deeply dedicated fans. My opinion is that it often happens that the fans are how the stars 'rais them'. If like Bieber in younger years you tweet multiple times a day and such, fans will have the feeling they know you, which to a big degree in that case they do, maybe even a feeling of possession, they become attached simply for the regular updates. If more like Emma Watson you use your social media strictly for activism and post once a month, fans will not be as pulled in a immediate, daily form.
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Post by vankimber on Mar 24, 2019 17:08:31 GMT -5
Absolutely! I take great delight in Adam and Javi, and I really haven’t seen the creepy stuff from anyone on this board, which I enjoy very much. I have seen it elsewhere, though. And I might also be a bit sensitive to it because of my seeing it so much in person. I mean, people would go through the Osmonds’ garbage! I welcome with open arms any part of Adam’s life that he’s willing to share with us. I just hope that the OTT people don’t push him into withdrawing that willingness. Even if that were understandable, it would hurt like the dickens!
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Post by sizzling63 on Mar 24, 2019 17:29:36 GMT -5
sizzling63 absolutely right! Every star has deeply dedicated fans. My opinion is that it often happens that the fans are how the stars 'rais them'. If like Bieber in younger years you tweet multiple times a day and such, fans will have the feeling they know you, which to a big degree in that case they do, maybe even a feeling of possession, they become attached simply for the regular updates. If more like Emma Watson you use your social media strictly for activism and post once a month, fans will not be as pulled in a immediate, daily form. I never thought about that. Well, it looks like Adam raised us well then, for the most part.
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Post by sizzling63 on Mar 24, 2019 17:34:39 GMT -5
Absolutely! I take great delight in Adam and Javi, and I really haven’t seen the creepy stuff from anyone on this board, which I enjoy very much. I have seen it elsewhere, though. And I might also be a bit sensitive to it because of my seeing it so much in person. I mean, people would go through the Osmonds’ garbage! I welcome with open arms any part of Adam’s life that he’s willing to share with us. I just hope that the OTT people don’t push him into withdrawing that willingness. Even if that were understandable, it would hurt like the dickens! Oh I get where you're coming from. Wow. I too hope that some OTT people don't push Adam into sharing less and less. If it happens, I understand.
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