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Post by lurleene on Jun 1, 2019 10:33:28 GMT -5
I have not long woken up...9 a.m here. Sorry I couldn’t join the discussion on my ‘alpha male’ comment. I have always thought that Adam embodies a special blend of characteristics; androgynous qualities that combine to make him so fascinating; I suspect to more than just myself, especially here! I made a comment that to me meant that he had his sexy, empowered swagger back which I thought was missing from Idol and perhaps of late. ‘Alpha male’....leader, confident, commanding presence, sexy, don’t put baby in the corner attitude....but here tempered with beauty and gentleness, quiet strength and no sharp edges. The two parts of my description were deliberately juxtaposed to illustrate how Adam’s Ellen vibe managed to combine the best traits of each so positively and beautifully....imho. And uniquely perhaps. Thank you to all those who got it. LindaG23 sorry it made you ‘cantankerous’. Lol. I have appreciated your recent thoughts on ‘gender’ issues and I hope you invite me over for your late night discussion session! We are all different and it isn’t a dirty word to me at all...just a personality type...though some AlphaMales give the personality type a very bad name of course...but I think we all know that weak little shits can do just as much damage without the positives of leadership and presence.... and I seem to know a lot of AlphaFemales whom I love. , I didn't think anything negative about your comment. We all see Adam thru our own eyes. He seems very manly to me but not in any aggressive way. I know some see a feminine side (and that is okay if that is a view) but I don't view him that way, except when he is goofing off. Yes he is a gay man but he seems very much a sexy man. A sensual man. I see the makeup as just very rock and roll. The only reason I don't want to see too much of it is because it becomes the focus of conversation too often. But the interviewers don't seem to be talking about it all the time, as they did in the past, so maybe it is no longer a big deal to them. But Adam is a man so I'm don't see that as a bad thing if we view him that way and acknowledge his appeal in that way, if that is our view of him.
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Post by Q3 on Jun 2, 2019 3:07:51 GMT -5
I hope that Adam will be able to create an experience similar to "Believe" with his own music some time. It was quite simply spectacular. Yes, late response to your post -- and ITA it would be spectacular if he could.
Perhaps someday, maybe tomorrow, Adam will get or write or co-write a song that enables him to have a moment like this. But that said, there are many great vocalists and music stylists who we remember not because they wrote the song but for the performance.
For example, Aretha Franklin did not write her hit songs.
I know why Adam wants to be a singer-songwriter, but I really wish he would record one album of "cover" songs including "Believe" and "Stay" and "Is This Love." I don't know if it would be a hit, but I would love to pick the songs and own it. And yes, it could be a double album. My wish list is LONG!
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Post by blackqueen65 on Jun 2, 2019 3:49:30 GMT -5
I hope that Adam will be able to create an experience similar to "Believe" with his own music some time. It was quite simply spectacular. Yes, late response to your post -- and ITA it would be spectacular if he could.
Perhaps someday, maybe tomorrow, Adam will get or write or co-write a song that enables him to have a moment like this. But that said, there are many great vocalists and music stylists who we remember not because they wrote the song but for the performance.
For example, Aretha Franklin did not write her hit songs.
I know why Adam wants to be a singer-songwriter, but I really wish he would record one album of "cover" songs including "Believe" and "Stay" and "Is This Love." I don't know if it would be a hit, but I would love to pick the songs and own it. And yes, it could be a double album. My wish list is LONG!
I know it's unlikely to ever happen given what he thinks about recording covers but I agree there's tons of songs I'd love to hear his take on, Stay, Believe, Red House were amazing IMO in fact I love most of the covers he's done. I'd really love live recorded versions with him just singing them like the Feel Something video.
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Post by rihannsu on Jun 2, 2019 6:38:39 GMT -5
SophieB — I just woke up and am halfway through my first cup of coffee and it was with some trepidation that I opened Adamtopia this morning to see if I had started some kind of minor flame war. With relief, I found that I had not and that you and others understood my point. I agree that Adam encompasses many of the best traditionally "male" and "female" characteristics. For me, he is a role model for "good human". I am personally ready for "leader, confident, commanding presence" to be considered female qualities because I think it is more likely that the darker aspects of those qualities would be better balanced in women, who are more ready to accept their 'beauty, gentle, quiet strength' side. Men, especially those in charge, just haven't evolved to that degree yet. I am happy to know that you have some 'alpha' women friends, we all need some of those. Finally, you and everyone here are totally invited over to my house for late night discussion sessions; my wine closet is always stocked! The problem is really that people latched on to Alpha Male and ignored the fact that the concept of Alpha in and of itself was not gendered. There are both alpha males and alpha females. Even the scientist who coined that particular phrase says he wished he'd never written it because it is so misunderstood and also somewhat superseded by his later research but it became this "thing" that has been warped beyond recognition. It is a term that has been wrongly used by the worst proponents of toxic masculinity. There's not a single true Alpha in that whole macho man culture.
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Post by LindaG23 on Jun 2, 2019 9:22:27 GMT -5
SophieB — I just woke up and am halfway through my first cup of coffee and it was with some trepidation that I opened Adamtopia this morning to see if I had started some kind of minor flame war. With relief, I found that I had not and that you and others understood my point. I agree that Adam encompasses many of the best traditionally "male" and "female" characteristics. For me, he is a role model for "good human". I am personally ready for "leader, confident, commanding presence" to be considered female qualities because I think it is more likely that the darker aspects of those qualities would be better balanced in women, who are more ready to accept their 'beauty, gentle, quiet strength' side. Men, especially those in charge, just haven't evolved to that degree yet. I am happy to know that you have some 'alpha' women friends, we all need some of those. Finally, you and everyone here are totally invited over to my house for late night discussion sessions; my wine closet is always stocked! The problem is really that people latched on to Alpha Male and ignored the fact that the concept of Alpha in and of itself was not gendered. There are both alpha males and alpha females. Even the scientist who coined that particular phrase says he wished he'd never written it because it is so misunderstood and also somewhat superseded by his later research but it became this "thing" that has been warped beyond recognition. It is a term that has been wrongly used by the worst proponents of toxic masculinity. There's not a single true Alpha in that whole macho man culture. So very true. When I was browsing through definitions at the time I wrote the first post, I read the concept definition you mention. Unfortunately the macho chorus volume is amped up and it is so hard to take a word back, especially when a group needing validation without merit latches on to it. One term/concept which through diligence has managed to regain it's original positive meaning and use is queer. This makes me happy. I remember using the word on the forum way back at the beginning and getting some understandable backlash because of common use problems, but the group with definite queer sensibilities has turned it around and I can now refer to the queer community and have it understood as the wonderful kaleidoscopic group that it is.
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