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Post by koshka on Aug 12, 2012 12:35:45 GMT -5
Lol I never said they should keep Randy - just that the show needs some sort of continuity or experienced judge to help steer the panel. I'll throw confetti in the air when Randy leaves.
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Post by scotia on Aug 12, 2012 12:41:02 GMT -5
My first post went poof...so trying again. Another 'one new fan at a time' story  Last night I enjoyed a great visit and dinner with ljsmack and babs12. Our waitress who was probably in her 20's heard we were talking about Adam and remarked that she loved him on Idol. She didn't seem to know much about his post Idol career and was surprised when ljsmack told her she had just seen him in London performing with Queen. Before we left, ljsmack went out to her car and got a Trespassing CD and gave it to her. She was surprised and delighted and said she couldn't wait to listen to it. Hopefully, she and her friends will find some new songs they love. Word of mouth marketing at its best! |
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Post by tigerlily on Aug 12, 2012 12:42:34 GMT -5
Well, the twitter party was definitely damage control. But exactly what "damage" was he controlling? Did he spill too much and needed to reign things back in because Idol is in charge of making any announcements? Or, did he see all the absolute flailing about a job in Sept. that he knows isn't happening and needed to reign things back in before it got bigger than it already was? I think it could go either way. Anyway, I only saw the tweets from the twitter party last night, so I somehow missed the earlier one where it seems like he basically shoots down the whole thing. This just kinda changed everything for me. I mean, how much clearer could he have been?
He could have said, "I see that people have interpreted the quote from Japan as being about the Idol judging job. I would have liked that too, but it's not going to happen. Other exciting things ahead, though!" That's how he could have clearly shot down the whole thing if he needed to do so. There's no way he could have missed the fact that people were talking about the Idol gig so why wouldn't he address the situation directly if he knows for sure it's not happening? It still sounds to me as if he knows he can't say anything yet so he deliberately gave a vague response that is still open to speculation. Adam did give the answer "not that I know of" when asked if there was a "special job in September". That has me thinking the Idol job isn't in any way locked down OR it could be that it never really was a huge possibility. Adam did say weeks ago that no one had talked to him about the job. I doubt he was lying then. Someone could have talked to him since then, or we could have been spinning our wheels for weeks- who knows? LOL :D |
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 12, 2012 12:46:52 GMT -5
Hmm, Q3, interesting thought, but I can't imagine this at all. For a huge show such as Idol to do a dramatic makeover at this point, they need to commit to the new format and sell the new concept HARD. Branding. Branding. Branding. To have a mishmash of judges would be disjointed and wishy washy at this point. These are the people who are the main cast of your show. Look at the way "The Voice" packages their judges? The commercials have been on constantly throughout the Olympics – They ARE the brand. They are the show. They aren't selling the mystery of finding a new artist or showing possible contestants or even the chair thing. The advertising has been all about this unit of judges and THAT'S why people should watch. The judges are more consistent than the contestants (who come and go and haven't been chosen) so that's why they're the anchor for the show. Ryan's schedule isn't going to allow him to carry this on his back. A strong, compelling team of judges will be their best sell, IMO. I was not trying to figure out how to fix Idol -- not sure it can be done. I was just reading what Kevin Reilly and Nigel have said to the press and listened to the entire TV Critics press conference. They do not appear to be making dramatic changes to Idol but the are going to evolve the show, blah. blah, blah. For example, Nigel is staying. There just seem to be a lot of people on this judge list. And there is a mention of a new role for Randy who said he did not know what his role with Idol would be on 8.10.12. ETA: Ryan is not going anywhere -- FOX pays him $35 million. If he buys controlling interest in DCP, he will still do Idol. Reuters broke the news about Ryans interest in bidding for DCP in January 2012; CBS is the new player. www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-rt-us-cbs-dickclarkbre87a01l-20120810,0,7397419.story They basically have a cast of four. Two of the four are definitely gone. Three of the four are very possibly gone. They can deny all they want that there aren't going to be "big changes," but having 50 to 75% of your core cast being replaced, those are big changes no matter how you look at it. Nigel is not an on-camera personality, so he's irrelevant to this point. The average viewer knows nothing of him except from SYTYCD. I guess you can consider Iovine part of the "cast," so make that a cast of 4.5. Even if they don't change one single thing about the production or rules, there WILL be big changes. I can see why they didn't discuss them at the TV Press Critics Conference because they hadn't announced anything yet – if they had, that would have been the Big Reveal. Ryan has been the only consistency during this entire show – he's a given and is no problem, but if they're trying to pitch "fresh and new!" as ANY 12-year-old show would NEED to do, they can't use the hat rack as a key selling point. Believe me, I know Ryan not going anywhere, but he is extremely busy with other ventures, so I don't think they can lay all the promotional duties on his shoulders. If anything, I would imagine he would be doing less promo for Idol because though he is as consistent as the day is long, he's not "shiny and new." |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 12:51:21 GMT -5
tigerlily, probably no one from Idol did talk to him. This is how Adam gets around non denial denials. They are half truths or half lies. Idol wouldn't actually talk to Adam until at the very end of the negotiations.
I am not as 100% sure about Idol as I was yesterday, but I am 100% hopeful!
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Post by gelly14 on Aug 12, 2012 12:52:43 GMT -5
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Post by virg1877 on Aug 12, 2012 13:03:04 GMT -5
Ok, I am only now reading ALL the tweets from Adam last night. I didn't now that he actually said, "that Japenese quote was way lost in translation..." Suddenly, my optimism is shot. Is this an outright denial of the Idol job? How are you guys interpreting this? I am really trying to hang on to hope here. He said it was lost in translation but he did not say what he said. He left it clear as mud. Basically, he said -- something is happening in September (STUFF) but I am not ready to say what. Does anyone else think that Adam got the phrase "lost in Translation" from Atop ? That phrase was used often yesterday here but I didn't see it used so much on twitter? Just a thought. Adam lurking , I mean reading here? |
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Post by flowergirl on Aug 12, 2012 13:03:27 GMT -5
Idol doesn't need Randy for continuity...Adam will provide it with his Idol pedigree and popularity.
He'll also fill the Simon chair with something that's been noticeably missing: bitingly humorous, on-point criticism that people talk about afterward. Delivered, of course, with Adam's charm.
And, he'll bring back Paula's natural warmth and empathy, and be a sympathetic champion of the contestants.
Really, he's got it all in one fun, glam package. I'm still feeling 100% sure this is happening.
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 12, 2012 13:04:48 GMT -5
He could have said, "I see that people have interpreted the quote from Japan as being about the Idol judging job. I would have liked that too, but it's not going to happen. Other exciting things ahead, though!" That's how he could have clearly shot down the whole thing if he needed to do so. There's no way he could have missed the fact that people were talking about the Idol gig so why wouldn't he address the situation directly if he knows for sure it's not happening? It still sounds to me as if he knows he can't say anything yet so he deliberately gave a vague response that is still open to speculation. Adam did give the answer "not that I know of" when asked if there was a "special job in September". That has me thinking the Idol job isn't in any way locked down OR it could be that it never really was a huge possibility. Adam did say weeks ago that no one had talked to him about the job. I doubt he was lying then. Someone could have talked to him since then, or we could have been spinning our wheels for weeks- who knows? LOL :D The day he denied it was like an hour after the first story came out. I'm sure he hadn't been approached at that point. A LOT of time has passed since the day of the Capital Radio interview. After his impromptu "job interview" he did in Sacramento, he has either said nothing or been expertly evasive at dodging any and all Idol questions. There is no reason to do this other than if you are in negotiations or under a gag order. He denied Sonisphere the day before it was confirmed, remember? Honest people who are put into a position where they have to lie often have a difficult time with it and his non-denial denial was awkward and ambiguous at best. If he meant it to be a denial, hundreds of people asked him seconds later during the Twitter party point blank if that is what he meant. He knew very well his statement was "clear as mud" as Q3 said, yet he again chose not to clarify. If he's not part of Idol, he would very likely know that by now and he could easily refocus all attention back on single with one simple statement. |
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Post by Q3 on Aug 12, 2012 13:14:11 GMT -5
I was not trying to figure out how to fix Idol -- not sure it can be done. I was just reading what Kevin Reilly and Nigel have said to the press and listened to the entire TV Critics press conference. They do not appear to be making dramatic changes to Idol but the are going to evolve the show, blah. blah, blah. For example, Nigel is staying. There just seem to be a lot of people on this judge list. And there is a mention of a new role for Randy who said he did not know what his role with Idol would be on 8.10.12. ETA: Ryan is not going anywhere -- FOX pays him $35 million. If he buys controlling interest in DCP, he will still do Idol. Reuters broke the news about Ryans interest in bidding for DCP in January 2012; CBS is the new player. www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-rt-us-cbs-dickclarkbre87a01l-20120810,0,7397419.story They basically have a cast of four. Two of the four are definitely gone. Three of the four are very possibly gone. They can deny all they want that there aren't going to be "big changes," but having 50 to 75% of your core cast being replaced, those are big changes no matter how you look at it. Nigel is not an on-camera personality, so he's irrelevant to this point. The average viewer knows nothing of him except from SYTYCD. I guess you can consider Iovine part of the "cast," so make that a cast of 4.5. Even if they don't change one single thing about the production or rules, there WILL be big changes. I can see why they didn't discuss them at the TV Press Critics Conference because they hadn't announced anything yet – if they had, that would have been the Big Reveal. Ryan has been the only consistency during this entire show – he's a given and is no problem, but if they're trying to pitch "fresh and new!" as ANY 12-year-old show would NEED to do, they can't use the hat rack as a key selling point. Believe me, I know Ryan not going anywhere, but he is extremely busy with other ventures, so I don't think they can lay all the promotional duties on his shoulders. If anything, I would imagine he would be doing less promo for Idol because though he is as consistent as the day is long, he's not "shiny and new." Seems like we agree on almost everything -- including Ryan. But Kevin Reilly said they are doing more than just replacing the judges. Fox execs have said they are talking about having more "roles" on Idol -- the idea of permanent mentors has been mentioned by "sources at Idol/Fox". Nigel has hinted about the same thing All I put forward was that Adam COULD be in discussions with Idol for something other than replacing Steven Tyler on a 3 or 4 judge panel. And that fits all this info we have. That perhaps they are doing something different. The show had a 23% ratings drop last season. The drop was at the beginning of the season -- during the audition rounds and never recovered. They need to do something to make the audition round shows more interesting. Add some younger, more relevant celebrities to those rounds makes sense to me. articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/01/entertainment/la-et-idol-x-factor-20120201---- I think Adam and some other buzzworthy celebrities could re-energize this show. And Idol needs that. IF Idol gets Adam, IMHO they are damn lucky. |
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Last night I enjoyed a great visit and dinner with ljsmack and babs12. Our waitress who was probably in her 20's heard we were talking about Adam and remarked that she loved him on Idol. She didn't seem to know much about his post Idol career and was surprised when ljsmack told her she had just seen him in London performing with Queen. Before we left, ljsmack went out to her car and got a Trespassing CD and gave it to her. She was surprised and delighted and said she couldn't wait to listen to it. Hopefully, she and her friends will find some new songs they love. Word of mouth marketing at its best!
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