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Post by wal on Aug 13, 2012 15:16:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 15:20:39 GMT -5
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Post by wal on Aug 13, 2012 15:24:13 GMT -5
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Post by wal on Aug 13, 2012 15:25:06 GMT -5
Arjan Writes @arjanwrites this is brilliant RT @sony_music: An @adamlambert loudest fan competition in Tokyo? That's right! Here's the vid: bit.ly/OnNdUR |
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Post by justkaren on Aug 13, 2012 15:28:30 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300][/glow] So when did the original words - 'Music soothes the Savage Breast' become 'Music Soothes the Savage Beast'? When it referring more to Orpheus than the play. From wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OrpheusGreeks of the Classical age venerated Orpheus as the greatest of all poets and musicians: it was said that while Hermes had invented the lyre, Orpheus perfected it. Poets such as Simonides of Ceos said that Orpheus' music and singing could charm the birds, fish and wild beasts, coax the trees and rocks into dance,[11] and divert the course of rivers. He was one of the handful of Greek heroes[12] to visit the Underworld and return; his music and song even had power over Hades. I found this additional support on the Internet for Rihannsu's comment ... So, the original phrase you're talking about is "Music has charms to soothe a savage breast" (William Congreve)?
"Music soothes the savage beast" comes from the Latin "Musica delenit bestiam feram". Presuming that this Latin phrase predates Congreve's, was Congreve alluding to it? It's difficult to come to any conclusions from the cursory info on the internet. It's clear that Congreve was alluding to Orpheus, whose music (famously) had the power to tame beasts.
So, I'm entertaining the possibility that it's not a misquote at all - but that both phrases have historical validity. So are there history buffs here who can date Greek mythology in comparison with Congreve's poem? Maybe folks shouldn't have jumped to the conclusion that Adam got it wrong? |
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Post by rihannsu on Aug 13, 2012 15:43:42 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300][/glow] When it referring more to Orpheus than the play. From wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OrpheusGreeks of the Classical age venerated Orpheus as the greatest of all poets and musicians: it was said that while Hermes had invented the lyre, Orpheus perfected it. Poets such as Simonides of Ceos said that Orpheus' music and singing could charm the birds, fish and wild beasts, coax the trees and rocks into dance,[11] and divert the course of rivers. He was one of the handful of Greek heroes[12] to visit the Underworld and return; his music and song even had power over Hades. I found this additional support on the Internet for Rihannsu's comment ... So, the original phrase you're talking about is "Music has charms to soothe a savage breast" (William Congreve)?
"Music soothes the savage beast" comes from the Latin "Musica delenit bestiam feram". Presuming that this Latin phrase predates Congreve's, was Congreve alluding to it? It's difficult to come to any conclusions from the cursory info on the internet. It's clear that Congreve was alluding to Orpheus, whose music (famously) had the power to tame beasts.
So, I'm entertaining the possibility that it's not a misquote at all - but that both phrases have historical validity. So are there history buffs here who can date Greek mythology in comparison with Congreve's poem? Maybe folks shouldn't have jumped to the conclusion that Adam got it wrong? Congreve's poem was from 1697. Pretty sure Greek Mythology pre dates that don't you think? The same Orpheus wiki dates Orpheus myth earlier than 3rd century BC so long before Congreve. |
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Post by adamme on Aug 13, 2012 15:51:22 GMT -5
Somehow Sauli's coming to Japan makes me really happy... LOL.. though I know the delusional cray will still delusional.. |
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Post by justkaren on Aug 13, 2012 15:53:13 GMT -5
Congreve's poem was from 1697. Pretty sure Greek Mythology pre dates that don't you think? The same Orpheus wiki dates Orpheus myth earlier than 3rd century BC so long before Congreve. So maybe Congreve got it wrong, mis-spelling "Beast" ;D |
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Post by belle on Aug 13, 2012 16:00:50 GMT -5
murly, thanks for the clarification! Alas, I have not seen any translations of the narration on the news clips and cannot help in that regard. BTW Did you like the groovy but slower version of Trespassing that we got a glimpse of in the clips? Well, I did. Maybe it is the 'something new' element that does the trick for me. I am looking forward to the performances in Japan - and hoping for a live premiere of a new song, too.  |
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Post by Kamar on Aug 13, 2012 16:07:42 GMT -5
Yeah well , for the tattoo , I'm sticking with "music calms the savage BEAST"
I mean really , music calms the savage BREAST ????
I ean , how can a BREAST be calmed ? Since when are BREASTS wild ? I don't know , but it is stupid . Glad that Adam decided to change it up .
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