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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 20:46:16 GMT -5
LO, yes. That is his family friendly explanation. Live, he is telling people to take something off.  "Take it off, try me on" is pretty damn sexy in my book!! I don't think it will ever be a single.  Ha...I always take his family friendly explanation with a wink and a nod. The song is sexual - no doubt about it. Tell me how many radio listeners are going to say oh yeah that song is about stripping emotionally. None. Hell, I know he said that and I still don't believe it.  BTW-I sure didn't hear very many BTIKM lovers when RCA released it. Suddenly everyone loves it?  I hope Trespassing is the next single. 8-) Oh, I think you remember wrong! Very few people here didn't love it. It was after I heard the rest of the song choices, that I was WTF? for choosing BTIKM! Also, many have wanted an Adam written song as a single. I was Team Cuckoo during the Hit predictor surveys. Until I heard Tresapassing live at NNN! But, we still hadn't heard the whole album at that point! As soon as I heard Shady, I was wishing that had been 2nd single. Plus, collabs are soooooooo in. But Trespassing is great and I am very happy with that! |
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Post by cupofadam on Aug 19, 2012 20:52:49 GMT -5
Hi everyone just wanted to thank you all for the Birthday Wishes. Helping my Son move to Florida for college it's been a long few days.
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Post by jean1010 on Aug 19, 2012 20:57:39 GMT -5
Uh, as we are talking about singles, can I continue my train of thought about this topic I had the other day. Scroll if you want. OK, my Idol hope has already slept. Now I am thinking about radio play because the new single is coming soon. I don't have a lot a experience with radio, and I am not good with words, so I use notations. S = aX + bY + cZ +dT where: - S = number of radio spin (weekly I guess)
- X = Sales and streaming ranking
- Y = Hit predictor/popularity index (based on previous songs) Artists like Katy Perry for example, may have very high index here. Even though the sales of a new single may not show up yet, radio stations are still willing to spin her new song.
- Z = Rating by the Program Director (How good the song is, how likeable the artist is, and other "political" ratings). This explains why Bieber's Boyfriend didn't do well on the radio even though it had good sales. I think the PD thought the song sucked. So their score for Z is significantly low which dragged the S score down.
- T = Requests by listeners
- a, b, c, d = weight of Z, Y, Z, T respectively where d is very low, I guess 5% only.
From here we will see - If we have taken everything WE KNOW into account yet? - Where the next single may stand? - What can we do to support? Does that make sense to you? I want to elaborate more, but I need to go now Let's look at each factor as related to BTIKM, NCOE, and the new single. - X which is sales:
- BTIM has the best score on this because at that time it was the only new music from Adam after almost 2 years waiting. we rushed out to buy it. Did it have 34K unit sales on the debut week? However, it didn't chart. To the radio, it was not good enough.
- NCOE has lower score b/c it sold less, 29K on the debut week as far as I can remember.
- Now I think the third single will have even lower score than NCOE. The reason is all the fans already have it. Eventhough many of us try to buy multiple copies again to help it, I think it's very hard to reach NCOE sales level UNLESS the new single can resonate with many new fans. I hope the label has some very good strategy here to expose it to a much larger audience. My wish is it can go viral like the Gotye song.
- Y: Hit predictor/score (I don't know what to call it)
- BTIKM has higher score here because WWFM and IIHY were quite successful. IIHY might not be a hit, but close. So people can look at it as there's a possibility that BTIKM can be a hit.
- However this score is lower for NCOE because BTIKM was not a hit
- Now the third single will even have lower score because NCOE and BTIKM were not hits.
- Z: PD rating:
- Song rating:
- BTIKM may not have high score. This is my guess basing on complains from fans that this is not a strong song.
- NCOE has higher score than BTIKM here. at least it was what some of the PDs picked it, that indicates they liked it. Some of the non fans also expressed that they liked the song.
- The 3rd single: assuming that it is Trespassing, do you think it will have higher score than NCOE. What if it is Cuckoo? You tell me please.
- In terms of "how likeable is the artist:: I've got a feeling that the PDs and DJs like Adam except those who have problem with his sexuality
- T: Request: this is something we can do, and we need to work harder. Sometimes we thought that only glamberts made radio requests. But some people reported the DJs told them other fan groups made a lot more requests than us.
In summary, the scores for the new single will look like - Sales: Lowest score (compared to BTIKM and NCOE)
- Hit score: Lowest
- PD rating: ??? you tell me where this score maybe
- Request: the same
When you add these up, you can see the Spin score for the 3rd single could be the lowest among these 3 songs. <- AlarmRequest is where only fans can do. Sales is where both the labels and fans can do. The labels helps with the promotion and marketing plans to expose the song to a larger audience. I really hope the label do something special to promote this song. Any brilliant idea for fans to help with the sales? Were you a math Major? I agree that sales are frustrating since probably 100 percent of the fan base has bought the CD. I downloaded my album on Amazon so I might be able to get single on itunes, and the itune album buyers can try to buy on amazon. Purchasers of the album at retail outlets and who didn't download can buy a download anywhere or download it on whichever site they have not used. I think a lot of fans would be more than willing to fork over $1.29 to help the debut. Heck, I would love to buy a ton if they would let me, which is frustrating because who are they to tell me how I can spend my money. But obviously, we need a lot of casual fans or new fans to hear it, like it and buy it. I am sorry, I have know good ideas for this and hope that Adam's management team and label have a plan. |
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Post by adamrocks on Aug 19, 2012 20:58:54 GMT -5
Since it's been a slow day I decided to print some pics of Adam for my notes tack board in my new computer cabinet and I found this picture of Adam and Elvis. I find the resemblance uncanny! 
Dancygeorgia here is the Adam pic an artist drew that you wanted embedded where Adam resembles Elvis.  |
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Post by Soaked on Aug 19, 2012 21:03:20 GMT -5
The song isn't going to become a hit due to the Glamberts. If it becmes a hit and a big seller it will be because radio put it in high rotation and new fans bought it. Just like WWFM. That came out with the album. And IIHY didn't sell 900K to Glamberts either. We all already had it. It was the spins in big markets, like Z100's that got it the jumpstart. All, Trespassing needs is a big station like Z to jump on board, or a ton of smaller stations (yes, that can work too.) If we use your reasoning, there's no sense in releasing anymore new singles because his fans already have them. :-/ Hang on, you should look at it as a whole. I didn't say that Sales is the ONLY factor that impact the radio spins. There are some other factors as well one of which is PD ratings and it consists of something else there as well. - If the PDs like the song and - If the "politics" aspect is favorable to the song then even though it may not have good sales it can still be in heavy rotation. But that is where fans can do nothing about. I am not sure if the label can do anything about it. |
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Post by Soaked on Aug 19, 2012 21:10:22 GMT -5
You should have read the parts above it. I explained there already. It's because fans already have the song. BTIKM and NCOE was released before the CD was dropped. We didn't have them. So if there isn't any special plans from fans and the label, I bet the new single will have the lowest sales compared to BTIKM and NCOE. First week sales, for a single, don't matter beans!! It's sustained sales and radio play will do that. BTW, Boyfriend charted quite well, for the Beibs Totally agree with the sustainable sales. But it might sound complicated so I didn't go that far. I did mention "Boyfriend" in the original post:
Z = Rating by the Program Director (How good the song is, how likeable the artist is, and other "political" ratings). This explains why Bieber's Boyfriend didn't do well on the radio even though it had good sales. I think the PD thought the song sucked. So their score for Z is significantly low which dragged the S score down.
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BTW, really appreciate your questions because I want to know if there is any thing else that we haven't taken into account. I am not experienced with radio and I am not from the US either. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 21:12:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 21:23:51 GMT -5
First week sales, for a single, don't matter beans!! It's sustained sales and radio play will do that. BTW, Boyfriend charted quite well, for the Beibs Totally agree with the sustainable sales. But it might sound complicated so I didn't go that far. I did mention "Boyfriend" in the original post:
Z = Rating by the Program Director (How good the song is, how likeable the artist is, and other "political" ratings). This explains why Bieber's Boyfriend didn't do well on the radio even though it had good sales. I think the PD thought the song sucked. So their score for Z is significantly low which dragged the S score down.
I know. That was my point. Boyfriend did do well on radio. I think it is his first song that has done well. But it doens't actually matter because he has the sales whether radio plays his songs or not. Here are the sales for WWFM,: Sustained sales! 11,871 9,372 10,178 20,207 45,843 38,422 32,801 37,430 59,421 << That is Jan. 24th, 2 months after it came out. It pretty much stayed in the high 40K range to low 60K range every week until mid April, when it sold 108K the week of his Idol green tornado Idol performance. Then sold 86K the following week. If we judged by the first few weeks of sales and used your equation, we would have ben calling WWFM a flop. |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Aug 19, 2012 21:32:43 GMT -5
I see what you mean. So perhaps all the bitching grouching about it came when sales/radio play didn't take off and because of the weird timing of the release. I just know that I read a lot of negative comments at the time. Maybe on other sites as well. Still seems like a bit of revisionist history to me now. :-/ |
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Post by stardust on Aug 19, 2012 21:38:27 GMT -5
Guys, this discussion belongs in the numbers thread! Can we move it there, please?
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