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Post by Albiku on Dec 3, 2012 13:04:49 GMT -5
Thank you for stating your point of view, Wingsofbutterflies! You should write more often; please, don't think you don't have anything interesting to say.  And the fact that your understanding keeps growing says a lot about you, honey. There are people who don't even bother to try. So thank you, and please, delurk more often! Kay, when it comes to English, the speaking is what I find most difficult. I haven't had that many opportunities to actually talk in English. I usually just write, or read, or listen. I can write, even if it's not perfect. And I can understand almost everything while reading or listening. But speaking? I think I'm pretty bad at it. :-/ And I'm sure my pronunciation is horrible.  Vistadiva, thank you, baby.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 13:05:20 GMT -5
Guys, rather than demand that people check their comments at the door, couldn't we understand that people are all different places in their social evolution and explain rather than attack. We should also acknowledge that a great deal of this world shares far worse understanding of the complexities of homosexuality and sexuality in general. I think we should encourage the conver sation in order to help each other understand. One sided conversations get nowhere. And this really is a worthy conversation. It doesn't matter how WE perceive the overtly gay performance but how the publics will perceive it. I rarely post because I usually don't have anything interesting to say but I cannot not respond to this comment. I absolutely agree with you! I am going to talk about myself, but I think, with certain approximation, I may well represent an average person who grew up in a very conservative society in Eastern Europe and has been exposed to gay culture fairly recently. Before Adam I knew 0 (zero) gays. I have never been to a gay bar. I am orthodox christian. Where I grew up people were sent to prison for homosexuality in the 1960s. Slowly our post-communist society became more acceptable, but still it is not OK to be gay. Now imagine my reaction to ROF - amazed by the vocals, yet very uncomfortable from the dripping sexuality. Three years later I am arguing with my male friend in Bulgaria (who has many gay friends but does not want to see homosexuality shown on TV or on the streets) that gay people should have the right to be gay in public. Yet, overly gay dancing still makes me feel uncomfortable. Would I offend somebody here with this confession? Most probably. But here I said it. I learn. I develop and I haven't stopped doing so since March 2009. And I am certain one day I will be able to fully understand and enjoy all angles of that Fever performance!  Bravo!!! I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone here who hasn't grown from knowing Adam. But we don't all start in the same place or go the same direction. I would love to have you, and other like you, be more comfortable here and be a part of the conversations, no matter what the range of views are. I think you would have lots of head nodders to go with the more vocal, up in arms posters. |
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Post by belle on Dec 3, 2012 13:05:35 GMT -5
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Post by leenaseyez on Dec 3, 2012 13:08:05 GMT -5
I, for one, have had trouble figuring out why jonny's interpretation makes me a little uncomfortable. Some of it is what Augenposie said about playing with sexuality versus playing up sexuality. I think for me it is lack of exposure to Jonny's type of expressive dancing when not in drag. I love RuPaul's drag race. I can see that Adam is comfortable and playful with it, and I LOVE Terrance. I don't think it's the performance as much as it is about my response to it due to lack of experience with it. Intellectually I can go there, but something about me reacts "uncomfortable" when I see it. So Adam is truly broadening my horizons, and I'm sure I will become more comfortable over time. I don't think I'm small-minded, just underexposed, if that makes any sense. ETA: wingsofbutterflies Yes, perfect sense, thank you for sharing! |
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Post by bullsfan on Dec 3, 2012 13:10:30 GMT -5
You know, the dancers and choreography are not going to appeal to everyone. And that is perfectly fine. It DOES NOT mean that someone is homophobic if they don't care for them. I prefer Adam more "toned down" with less makeup and less OTT---and I am the farthest thing from homophobic.
I just hate the way "homophobia" gets thrown around. Not everybody is going to like everything. And not everybody is going to be comfortable with everything. My mom is the most liberal, open- minded personI know, but she would HATE what goes on at a Lady Gaga concert and I don't think she has ever gotten over the AMA thing.
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Post by teddybear on Dec 3, 2012 13:12:48 GMT -5
You know, the dancers and choreography are not going to appeal to everyone. And that is perfectly fine. It DOES NOT mean that someone is homophobic if they don't care for them. I prefer Adam more "toned down" with less makeup and less OTT---and I am the farthest thing from homophobic. I just hate the way "homophobia" gets thrown around. Not everybody is going to like everything. And not everybody is going to be comfortable with everything. My mom is the most liberal, open- minded personI know, but she would HATE what goes on at a Lady Gaga concert and I don't think she has ever gotten over the AMA thing. This |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 13:14:12 GMT -5
Thanks all for the info on farcical? I just didn't recognize it out of context but it was good to delve deeper into it. I especially like how I had to ask the meaning of a word posted by a non native English speaker. I am so impressed by the language skills here, especially by how quickly you all pick up on slang and the nuances of how to use it. That's the hardest to teach, but here is obviously a good place to learn. You are obviously all studying closely. As an English as a Second Language teacher in a looong ago life, can I suggest you all talk and read out loud if you aren't already? It is so common for people to be able to read and understand foreign languages well but not speak them. There is one particular reason why it is easy for us foreigners to learn English easily - we are constantly exposed to it through every possible media outlet. Particularly in countries which do not synchronize films ( I'm not sure what the right word is, but it's when you don't hear, for example, Brad Pitt's voice, but an actor from a particular country reading his role), which is, imo, a crime, to say the least. If I were Brad Pitt, I'd sue them:) They ruin the artistic integrity of a movie in order to expose the viewers to their mother tongue instead, i.e. not expose them to English. Some dislike the dominance of English, imo. Luckily, it's not done in Serbia. I'm sure if you watched films, listened to music, read books, surfed the net... in Serbian, you would be fluent in it in no time;) |
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Post by vistadiva on Dec 3, 2012 13:21:09 GMT -5
Thank you for stating your point of view, Wingsofbutterflies! You should write more often; please, don't think you don't have anything interesting to say. And the fact that your understanding keeps growing says a lot about you, honey. There are people who don't even bother to try. So thank you, and please, delurk more often! Kay, when it comes to English, the speaking is what I find most difficult. I haven't had that many opportunities to actually talk in English. I usually just write, or read, or listen. I can write, even if it's not perfect. And I can understand almost everything while reading or listening. But speaking? I think I'm pretty bad at it. :-/ And I'm sure my pronunciation is horrible. Vistadiva, thank you, baby. You are welcome! I am sooooo hoping Adam will schedule a concert (or 2 or 3) in Spain. I so want to come back to your beautiful country! |
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Post by Albiku on Dec 3, 2012 13:25:17 GMT -5
You know, the dancers and choreography are not going to appeal to everyone. And that is perfectly fine. It DOES NOT mean that someone is homophobic if they don't care for them. I prefer Adam more "toned down" with less makeup and less OTT---and I am the farthest thing from homophobic. I just hate the way "homophobia" gets thrown around. Not everybody is going to like everything. And not everybody is going to be comfortable with everything. My mom is the most liberal, open- minded personI know, but she would HATE what goes on at a Lady Gaga concert and I don't think she has ever gotten over the AMA thing. Exactly. Sometimes the word "homophobia" is used too widely. Personally, I'm VERY comfortable with ALL sort of shows of sexuality. But not everyone is the same, and I can recognize AND RESPECT that. The key to a good coexistence is to respect each other. Even if you don't like a post, even if you disagree with someone, you have to answer with respect and state your disagreement in a constructive manner. Everything is debatable. We're not here to fight each other; we're all Adam fans, and therefore we have a pretty strong bond which brings us all together. Isn't it amazing, that this man has brought so many different people together? Let's enjoy our differences. That's the greatest way to learn and develope as human beings. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 13:26:16 GMT -5
Aleks, the word is dubbed. Or voice over. I am jealous of your exposure to another language. Other than school, most places in America don't have much opportunity to learn.
Albiku, you are typical in your speaking difficulty, but too close to not take the step to reading, writing AND speaking. All it takes is speaking. To yourself if necessary. Not that you don't have enough on your plate now, but someday.
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